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All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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    #782
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    Most people would rather ignore or flat out deny that their government would engage in malfeasance and subterfuge for selfish motives and would prefer to go for the milquetoast option even when the truth is laid bare.


    Millions refuse to believe that Iraq was illegally invaded, the case for war was fabricated, the agenda was profit and strategic one-upmanship and that war crimes were an hourly occurrence. They still cling to the notion of "freeing the Eye-racky people".



    When asked to contemplate alternatives to their rose-tinted comfort-zone view they clam up, refuse to even entertain the notion and become ebullient. You tend to do the same yourself, DJ. Rather than examine the possibility that the narrative that you follow might not be 100% accurate you resort to condescension, flippancy, sneering and ad hominems. Surely if you are so enlightened and everyone else is so thick then you ought not see the need to stoop to such tactics but rather discuss is a calm, reasoned and deliberate manner, bereft of eye-rolling and impatience.

    For the 3rd or 4th time, stop attributing positions I don't hold.

    What is the conspiracy related to the topic of this thread?


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    #783
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    For the 3rd or 4th time, stop attributing positions I don't hold.

    What is the conspiracy related to the topic of this thread?


    I'm responding to a post you tabled. It doesn't necessarily have to link with the thread title or any conspiracy.


    You stated that people need to be comforted by the possible illusion that everyone is aligned against them. I responded to that posting and now you're asking me to connect my response with a conspiracy.


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    #784
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    ShatterAlan wrote: »


    You stated that people need to be comforted by the possible illusion that everyone is aligned against them.

    Not really

    Psychologists maintain that certain types of people can't cope with the notion of events happening outside of our control, so they invent/cling to conspiracies that everything is neatly orchestrated.

    On topic, in the case of Covid, these types of people think it's planned. This thread is a direct example of that.


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    #785
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Not really

    Psychologists maintain that certain types of people can't cope with the notion of events happening outside of our control, so they invent/cling to conspiracies that everything is neatly orchestrated.

    On topic, in the case of Covid, these types of people think it's planned. This thread is a direct example of that.


    There's no "on topic" about it DJ.


    The onus was not upon me to discuss a conspiracy theory when all I was doing was replying to a post of yours which also had no bearing on any conspiracy theories other than to talk about people in a certain manner.



    We could be discussing cheese or physics and if I make a claim about the participants in the conversation and you counter that rhetoric ... and i counter with the complaint that you've taken the topic away from cheese or physics, would you not deem my line of discourse to be disingenuous to say the least or at worst irrelevant?


    If you wish a discussion to remain stridently "on-topic" then keep it that way yourself.


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    #786
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Anyway, it's very noticeable that those claiming the measures were permanent went quiet as they were reduced this summer, which in itself debunked the title of the thread.


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    #787
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Anyway, it's very noticeable that those claiming the measures were permanent went quiet as they were reduced this summer, which in itself debunked the title of the thread.

    And they've doubled down on them since then. A bit of temporary freedom to keep people on side before closing the cage doors again and again.


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    #788
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    Quiner wrote: »
    And they've doubled down on them since then. A bit of temporary freedom to keep people on side before closing the cage doors again and again.

    Why do you think we are having lockdowns?


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    #789
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    EyesClosed wrote: »
    Why do you think we are having lockdowns?

    To destroy the economy and small businesses to 'build back better' and 'reset'.


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    #790
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    Quiner wrote: »
    To destroy the economy and small businesses to 'build back better' and 'reset'.

    Not anything to do with the current global pandemic then? Is covid fake?


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    #791
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    To destroy the economy and small businesses to 'build back better' and 'reset'.

    Okay, this has to be done sorry.

    Scenario: You are running a democratic island nation, population 1 million. A highly infectious disease has come onto the island threatening to overwhelm your health systems.

    It's just all kicked off, what measures do you take to reduce the spread of the virus? you have to also balance economic needs.


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    #792
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    EyesClosed wrote: »
    Not anything to do with the current global pandemic then? Is covid fake?

    The virus definitely isn't fake, but it was either planned or is being exploited to push an agenda.

    If you watch Dave Cullen's latest video – an interview with a gentleman whose name escapes me – it's all explained. Even if you can't stand Dave Cullen, the man he interviews knows his stuff and explains everything. It's a short video. Unfortunately I can't post links yet.

    I wondered for ages how it could be planned, but after watching that video it is definitely a possibility.


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    #793
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Okay, this has to be done sorry.

    Scenario: You are running a democratic island nation, population 1 million. A highly infectious disease has come onto the island threatening to overwhelm your health systems.

    It's just all kicked off, what measures do you take to reduce the spread of the virus? you have to also balance economic needs.

    Measures that are proportionate to the threat. In the case of covid, the threat is extremely low for most people. Not wreck businesses, livelihoods, and cause young women to die of cancer as a result of cancelled appointments due to the covid obsession.


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    #794
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    Measures that are proportionate to the threat. In the case of covid, the threat is extremely low for most people. Not wreck businesses, livelihoods, and cause young women to die of cancer as a result of cancelled appointments due to the covid obsession.

    It's like Italy in March/April, the disease is spreading rapidly, ventilators are running out, hospitals are rapidly filling up, the threat is that your nation's health system will be overrun..

    Young, middle-aged and old people will die because hospitals will be full. Car crash victims won't be able to get medical assistance because the health system is overrun.

    What measures do you impose?


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    #795
    Risteard81
    Registered Users Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    We all need to accept that these so-called "lockdowns" and all other restrictions and diktats are treasonous, and we should be demanding that they be prosecuted for this and punished in the traditional way.


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    #796
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    We all need to accept that these so-called "lockdowns" and all other restrictions and diktats are treasonous, and we should be demanding that they be prosecuted for this and punished in the traditional way.

    How are worldwide measures to reduce the spread of a virus "treasonous"? please explain


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    #797
    Risteard81
    Registered Users Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    How are worldwide measures to reduce the spread of a virus "treasonous"? please explain
    Totalitarian impositions on the population, and psychological warfare against the populous is treason - to be dealt with as such.


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    #798
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Totalitarian impositions on the population, and psychological warfare against the populous is treason - to be dealt with as such.

    You aren't addressing the question properly, why are measures such as wearing a mask and social distancing, to deal with an airborne virus, why are those common sense measures "treasonous"?


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    #799
    Risteard81
    Registered Users Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You aren't addressing the question properly, why are measures such as wearing a mask and social distancing, to deal with an airborne virus, why are those common sense measures "treasonous"?
    It is absolutely treasonous usurping the sovereignty of the Irish People to establish totalitarian rule. These dictators must be executed for treason.


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    #800
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    It is absolutely treasonous usurping the sovereignty of the Irish People to establish totalitarian rule. These dictators must be executed for treason.

    So making people wear masks during a pandemic for their (and other's) safety is treason according to you?

    If so, then it's only logical to assume you believe making people wear seatbelts when driving a car for their (and other's) safety is also treason, correct..


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    #801
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,544 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    It is absolutely treasonous usurping the sovereignty of the Irish People to establish totalitarian rule. These dictators must be executed for treason.

    Talk about an idiotic over reaction of a post.


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    #802
    Risteard81
    Registered Users Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Talk about an idiotic over reaction of a post.
    It's no overreaction to what is happening. I am absolutely, completely and utterly 100% serious. It is the only logical conclusion that there is.


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    #803
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,544 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    It's no overreaction to what is happening. I am absolutely, completely and utterly 100% serious. It is the only logical conclusion that there is.

    You want to kill People because they tried to save lives?


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    #804
    Risteard81
    Registered Users Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You want to kill People because they tried to save lives?
    They are not trying to save lives. That is absolute bunkum.


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    #805
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,544 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    They are not trying to save lives. That is absolute bunkum.

    OK

    Who are the dictators (names please)?

    What charges (specific please) should they face?

    Do you think a referendum to bring back the death penalty would pass?


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    #806
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    It's no overreaction to what is happening. I am absolutely, completely and utterly 100% serious. It is the only logical conclusion that there is.

    If you could address the below thanks

    So making people wear masks during a pandemic for their (and other's) safety is treason according to you?

    If so, then it's only logical to assume you believe making people wear seatbelts when driving a car for their (and other's) safety is also treason, correct..


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    #807
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    So making people wear masks during a pandemic for their (and other's) safety is treason according to you?

    If so, then it's only logical to assume you believe making people wear seatbelts when driving a car for their (and other's) safety is also treason, correct..


    Operating a motor vehicle is different to just walking the streets.


    There is no comparison.


    Do you see every single human being forced to take measures to defend against somebody in a car?


    Your excuse is that these measures "save lives" and all who don't adhere are complicit to some kind of biological genocide.


    Again, you will most likely state that these are not your positions...yet they are.


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    #808
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,544 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    Operating a motor vehicle is different to just walking the streets.


    There is no comparison.


    Do you see every single human being forced to take measures to defend against somebody in a car?


    Your excuse is that these measures "save lives" and all who don't adhere are complicit to some kind of biological genocide.


    Again, you will most likely state that these are not your positions...yet they are.

    Yes, everytime they cross a road.


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    #809
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    ShatterAlan wrote: »

    Your excuse is that these measures "save lives" and all who don't adhere are complicit to some kind of biological genocide.

    My excuse?

    Masks and measures like social distancing reduce the spread of an infectious disease, are you seriously suggesting they don't?


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    #810
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    My excuse?

    Masks and measures like social distancing reduce the spread of an infectious disease, are you seriously suggesting they don't?

    How do you explain Peru, the Philippines, Spain, Italy, France, where people are forced to wear masks everywhere, having huge case numbers and deaths? Peru even had an extremely harsh lockdown. That did nothing, it seems, and the masks continue to be useless as the huge case numbers shows.


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    #811
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    How do you explain Peru, the Philippines, Spain, Italy, France, where people are forced to wear masks everywhere, having huge case numbers and deaths? Peru even had an extremely harsh lockdown. That did nothing, it seems, and the masks continue to be useless as the huge case numbers shows.

    Measures (like masks) reduce the spread of the virus. If that spread continues to rise, then those measures have to be increased (e.g. lockdown). The virus hasn't spread evenly, some countries have experienced larger surges at different times to other countries and at different stages. For example, France had a high spike, then a dip in the summer, then experienced a severe second wave.

    What's the conspiracy explanation to all this?

    Also can you please address the below:

    Scenario: You are running a democratic island nation, population 1 million. A highly infectious disease has come onto the island threatening to overwhelm your health systems.

    It's all just kicked off, what measures do you take to reduce the spread of the virus? you have to also balance economic needs


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