All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368313#Comment_118368313

Exactly, you like fantasy conspiracy stuff, so you embrace contradictory conspiracies. No reason or logic to it of course.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368273#Comment_118368273

a) Irelands finances are in relatively good health during the pandemic, our tax take and GDP has grown more than most other countries (including Sweden), at the end, we'll be in a relatively better position than most other countries with less deaths and less borrowing occurring and a healthy growing economy

b) It is impossible to create 4000 permanently staffed beds right now because there is a pandemic and a limited supply of nurses and doctors to run the beds, so that point is entirely moot

c) You actually need to compare the cost of running your health service at +20% capacity for 98% of the time (assuming this is a once in a century pandemic), so we're talking 4 billion a year for 98 years (will need to be adjusted for inflation), or twice our current national debt extra.

And even then, countries with 20% more capacity than us are still implementing restrictions and lockdowns, so do we need to go to +50% ?

Voluntary restrictions would only work if that came with forfeiting the entitlement for health service access.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368273#Comment_118368273

I see astrofool dealt with that comprehensively, but just a few figures for your consideration..

Capital cost of building and kitting out a hospital is between 450,000 and 500,000 per bed. For 4,000 that averages out at 2 billion euro

The daily cost of operating a hospital bed is 897 euro. The annual cost of operating 4,000 beds is 1.3 billion euro.

That does not include ICU beds where the capital cost is between 1.1 million and 1.5 million for each bed, with an annual operating cost of 747,000 per bed.

That does not include depreciation cost or staff training costs for all the extra staff that would be required for 4,000 beds.

Those are all figures based on 2018 costs so highly likely even costlier now.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368313#Comment_118368313

Lol.

Why can't you guys just say that you think other conspiracy theorists are wrong?

Why all this wishy washy language?

Why then do you whinge when people point out that you are more accepting of these clearly bullshit notions than you are of reality?

Personally I think it's because you don't like drawing the comparisons to your own conspiracy theory. If you explain why you believe these might be wrong, you know that will equally apply to what you believe. This makes you uncomfortable and makes you upset and cranky.

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368525#Comment_118368525

Peanuts.

A return to a full lockdown will cost the Government up to €250m a week, according to estimates from economists.

This is only looking at the direct cost to the Government in terms of social welfare payments.

When all costs are added then costs are staggering. What you listed is nothing compared to what we lost because of restrictions.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368313#Comment_118368313

You declared that you completely agreed with his OP a number of times on this thread already. Flip flop!

Why do you keep changing your mind?

PintOfView

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368162#Comment_118368162

"Yes, and there will always be variants and cases, so it can't end if cases are the metric."

But cases are not the only metric. Cases are only important as a barometer of where hospitalisations will be 3 weeks into the future. It looks like we're shaping up for a big surge in cases at the moment, and in the UK they've already exceeded their previous record case number, from last winter, by nearly double. However, if this Omicron variant is found to be resulting in less severe covid than delta then that will obviously change things. It's a wait and see situation. Can you not see this?

If we always have cases, like we have flu cases, but they don't result in excess hospitalisation, then we can resume normal service and dispense with any pandemic related restriction. On the other hand, if a new worse variant comes on the scene in the next year or two then it's completely logical and reasonable that restrictions might be brought back in to protect the population and the health service. (and by the way, it's not 100% clear yet that Omicron is actually less virulent, we'll have a better idea in a few weeks time).

So I think it should be pretty obvious to most people that restrictions were, and are, in response to the virus, and not to anything else. If we had a permanent virus, and a permanent threat to people's health, and the health service, we might have to have permanent restrictions. However that's extremely unlikely. Any suggestion that restrictions are for reasons other than the virus are, I think, completely without foundation, and verging on delusional.

relax carry on

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368218#Comment_118368218

So you've moved into the political sphere now. Again, I don't agree with your political views there and you really should consider why no parties exist that support your views. The fact that you are airing them here in the conspiracy forum may be a clue. And speaking of conspiracies, back to the topic of the thread. While you have some views around the political system in operation and the response of the government to the pandemic; what exactly is the conspiracy here?

PintOfView

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368218#Comment_118368218

"Ireland isn't a functional society. It has no functioning Fourth Estate, and no functioning democracy because the political parties are identical. For whom could a conservative person vote in Ireland? Choice is limited to a handful of Independents."

To say that Ireland has no functioning democracy is a pretty strange interpretation!! And I can't see that our political parties are identical!! And how do you define a 'conservative person'? And who are the only independents that a conservative has to vote for?

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368633#Comment_118368633

From early research we see this virus having now mutated to cause less of those effected requiring hospitalisation, your plan is to build more hospitals that would not come on stream for years costing a minimum of 2 billion euro, plus an annual running cost of at least a further 1.5 billion euro for the rest of time. Plus the cost of training staff, (if you could even get the numbers required to do so when we already have a shortage) for hospitals that would in all likelihood be lying empty for long periods of time.

For someone so worried about our economy (which if you haven`t noticed is now the top performer in Europe and predicted to remain so for some time) it`s not a great economic plan IMO

Treating people in hospital is a very expensive burden on economies. You lessen that burden by attempting to ensure less need that service, not by adding more. If you are really worried about the cost to the state then get your vaccine and boosters and encourage others to do the same. That is how you minimise the numbers requiring hospitalisation.

buzzerxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369674#Comment_118369674

BULLSHIIIIT.

Happy Christmas truthers and critical thinkers. 🥃😀

brianhere

Same to you buzz et omnios alios!

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118370545#Comment_118370545

Your outstanding and eloquent critique of posts never ceases to amaze me.

Happy Christmas to all. Even those that live within their own heads rather than in the real world🥂

buzzerxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118370678#Comment_118370678

Happy Christmas to you Mr. Eloquence and the shills and the Brain washed sheep in LA LA Land.✌️ 🍺

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118370822#Comment_118370822

May the blessings of "normality" be upon you buzz buzx

Fighting Tao

Happy Christmas all. Hope some of ye don’t fall out with family members over the season.

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369674#Comment_118369674

Your problem is that you assume too much. Building nonsense construction in your own mind and then presenting it as something someone else said.

You went on talking about how we cant afford to have 2000 covid beds due to cost involved.

I simply said that even 4000 beds will be much less costly exercise than recurring lockdowns and restrictions.

And that is a simple fact no matter how you try to twist it.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118371716#Comment_118371716

Show your figures then. But don’t forget that the economy is thriving. You seem to ignore that.

NaFirinne

Does this thread still really belong in the conspiracy theory section at this stage?

Covid Pass is certainly a pernament measure and is being used more and more - we are seeing mandated vaccinations accross europe now just as predicted.

Fighting Tao

It most certainly does belong in conspiracy theories. Ye guys haven’t stopped dumping random bullshit. When ye can have a proper discussion about things, and actually answer questions then maybe it will be seen as an adult topic.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118382273#Comment_118382273

These things happening aren't a conspiracy theory (and they are freely discussed on the COVID forum), you need to start explaining why they are happening (if not for the publicly announced reasons), that is why this thread remains in CT, not one person has coherently explained why the measures would be permanent and who is behind the decisions (if not for public health).

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118382273#Comment_118382273

But you're claiming that this was predicted by the bible and is part of a global communist/satanic take over.

Why wouldn't that be in the conspiracy theory section?

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118382273#Comment_118382273

Its absolutely obvious that "covid passes" are not a permanent measure. They will be gone when the pandemic reduces sufficiently.

But the nutball CTers don't do obvious....and not one of them will post here when they are finally removed.... Because they have no integrity

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118382273#Comment_118382273

I live in England, currently enjoying a break in Edinburgh, haven't been asked for a covid pass anywhere, restaurant last night did ask to check in on NHS track and trace but never once have I ever been asked for a covid pass.

If it's so something "permanent" why have I never been asked for one?

Maewyn Succat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368313#Comment_118368313

What exactly do you believe the great reset is?

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118382698#Comment_118382698

Seeing (s)he won’t read the book, it’s whatever the grifter they are following at any given time claims. So it ends up with different nonsense.

Maewyn Succat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118382727#Comment_118382727

It's amazing what these people will believe from grifters when it matches what they are already thinking and what they refuse to believe when it goes against their way of thinking.

I have only looked briefly into the great reset and have yet to see anything that makes me believe that I will own nothing and be happy by 2030 like some of these gullible fools believe.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118382650#Comment_118382650

Were the temporary measures introduced after 9/11 ever lifted? Was the temporary State of Emergency that was declared after 9/11 ever lifted? Is 20 years temporary?

Can you name a single country that has introduced vaccine passports that has got rid of them? Denmark got rid of them for a couple of months, but brought them back. Now you'll probably say 'we're in the middle of a pandemic', but there are countries and states that have vaccinated almost their entire populations and that still isn't enough for them to go.

You could be right that they're a temporary measure, but why are you so certain? What's your certainty based on?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118382860#Comment_118382860

Grifters like The Guardian? One reads the following at the end of articles on The Guardian:

"If there were ever a time to join us, it is now. Every contribution, however big or small, powers our journalism and sustains our future. Support the Guardian from as little as €1 – it only takes a minute. If you can, please consider supporting us with a regular amount each month. Thank you."

EyesClosed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118384429#Comment_118384429

Logic, and reason... Why, what's your certainty based on?

(watch you ignore this)