All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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PintOfView wrote: »

As there is a virus, and you admit mask wearing seems to make sense (presumably because you see it cuts down transmission)

No masks?
https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-dont-need-masks-pence-says-as-demand-increases-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preventing-coronavirus-facemask-60-minutes-2020-03-08/

One Mask
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/27/politics/fauci-coronavirus-wear-masks-cnntv/index.html

Two Masks?
https://www.thesun.ie/news/6507303/fauci-says-you-may-have-to-wear-two-masks/


Three Masks?

Remember Fauci, the head doctor in the US, said no masks first, then wear a mask, now he is saying wear two.....Will he say three in a few months?

Also, the National Standard Authority of Ireland has stated most masks we use do not comply with regulations
https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40097717.html


So....you were saying

Fighting Tao

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No masks?
https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-dont-need-masks-pence-says-as-demand-increases-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preventing-coronavirus-facemask-60-minutes-2020-03-08/

One Mask
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/27/politics/fauci-coronavirus-wear-masks-cnntv/index.html

Two Masks?
https://www.thesun.ie/news/6507303/fauci-says-you-may-have-to-wear-two-masks/


Three Masks?

Remember Fauci, the head doctor in the US, said no masks first, then wear a mask, now he is saying wear two.....Will he say three in a few months?

Also, the National Standard Authority of Ireland has stated most masks we use do not comply with regulations
https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40097717.html


So....you were saying

Thankfully we live in a world where scientists are happy to change their guidance based on new evidence.

King Mob

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No masks?
https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-dont-need-masks-pence-says-as-demand-increases-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preventing-coronavirus-facemask-60-minutes-2020-03-08/

One Mask
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/27/politics/fauci-coronavirus-wear-masks-cnntv/index.html

Two Masks?
https://www.thesun.ie/news/6507303/fauci-says-you-may-have-to-wear-two-masks/


Three Masks?

Remember Fauci, the head doctor in the US, said no masks first, then wear a mask, now he is saying wear two.....Will he say three in a few months?

Also, the National Standard Authority of Ireland has stated most masks we use do not comply with regulations
https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40097717.html


So....you were saying

So what are you claiming exactly?
Masks don't work?

If this is the case, why are they recommended? Cause doctors think it's a funny prank?

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King Mob wrote: »

So what are you claiming exactly?
Masks don't work?

If this is the case, why are they recommended? Cause doctors think it's a funny prank?

I don't wear them so it does not bother me but I feel sorry for people gasping for air wearing their filthy masks they've put on full of the germs from their car's dashboard.

If masks worked, I think we would have to wear new ones each time we entered a shop and disposed of them when leaving. Wouldn't you say? Too much critical thinking perhaps for you though

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Thankfully we live in a world where scientists are happy to change their guidance based on new evidence.

What evidence was that?

What evidence are lockdowns based on by the way?

King Mob

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I don't wear them so it does not bother me but I feel sorry for people gasping for air wearing their filthy masks they've put on full of the germs from their car's dashboard.

If masks worked, I think we would have to wear new ones each time we entered a shop and disposed of them when leaving. Wouldn't you say? Too much critical thinking perhaps for you though

Sorry, you dodged my question.
Please answer it.
Why do doctors recommend masks if you believe they don't work?

If you can't answer this question, please just say so. No reason to just pretend the question doesn't exist.

Also, lol "gasping for air"...

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King Mob wrote: »

Sorry, you dodged my question.
Please answer it.
Why do doctors recommend masks if you believe they don't work?

If you can't answer this question, please just say so. No reason to just pretend the question doesn't exist.

The doctors I listen to don't recommend wearing masks. In fact they say they are health risks.

Doctor Sucharit Bhakdi from the University of Mainz. One of the most cited specialists in Europe

Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD

Klaus Reinhardt, the president of the German Medical Association

There's loads more. You wouldn't know them....they never get a mention on RTE

RTE would never allow a debate on this between some of the experts I have mentioned and some of the experts that we see on the news daily.

We never had a debate. We never will. It could wake up some of the plebs into questioning things and we couldn't have that

King Mob

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The doctors I listen to

And you've ignored my question again.

Why?
Why are you afraid to answer a simple question?

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King Mob wrote: »

And you've ignored my question again.

Why?
Why are you afraid to answer a simple question?

Doctors don't recommend wearing masks.

I don't know any that do except Fauci and he used to say not to wear them.

Which doctors recommend wearing masks?

I've given you three that don't. I know politicians recommend it but I listen to expert doctors.

King Mob

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Doctors don't recommend wearing masks.

I don't know any that do except Fauci and he used to say not to wear them.

Which doctors recommend wearing masks?

I've given you three that don't. I know politicians recommend it but I listen to expert doctors.

Lol still dodging.

That's a bit pathetic and hypocritical given your thread here.

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King Mob wrote: »

Lol still dodging.

That's a bit pathetic and hypocritical given your thread here.

Dude, name me some doctors. I don't know any doctors that recommend masks. I do not know how I can make it any clearer.

Every doctor I know says do not wear masks.

Are you thick?

King Mob

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Dude, name me some doctors. I don't know any doctors that recommend masks. I do not know how I can make it any clearer.

Every doctor I know says do not wear masks.

Are you thick?

Still dodging.

Level with us, why are you dodging such a simple direct question.
Why are you so afraid of answering it?

Why do conspiracy theorists like yourself have to do this on every ocassion?

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King Mob wrote: »

Still dodging.

Level with us, why are you dodging such a simple direct question.
Why are you so afraid of answering it?

Why do conspiracy theorists like yourself have to do this on every ocassion?

Calling someone a conspiracy theorist when you've lost an argument is like pulling the race card or calling someone a white supremacist or some other crap.

If giving you three doctors names while you provide none is "dodging" then what can I do.

I realise something here. I am debating with an idiot. It is spelt occasion by the way

runawaybishop

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Calling someone a conspiracy theorist when you've lost an argument is like pulling the race card or calling someone a white supremacist or some other crap.

If giving you three doctors names while you provide none is "dodging" then what can I do.

I realise something here. I am debating with an idiot. It is spelt occasion by the way

Are you trying to get banned from as many threads as possible?

Masks when worn correctly are quite effective at limiting viral load and spread. What has this got to do with the thread topic?

Dublinandy3

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Dude, name me some doctors. I don't know any doctors that recommend masks. I do not know how I can make it any clearer.

Every doctor I know says do not wear masks.

Are you thick?

Here is the university of San Francisco quoting an infectious diseases specialist doctor explaining the science behind wearing a mask

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Here is the American medical association quoting 5 specialists who say wearing masks helps.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/6-things-doctors-wish-patients-knew-about-masks

Here is the hse saying you should wear one

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/face-coverings-masks-and-covid-19/when-to-wear.html

I can give more if you like

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runawaybishop wrote: »

Are you trying to get banned from as many threads as possible?

Masks when worn correctly are quite effective at limiting viral load and spread. What has this got to do with the thread topic?

According to whom?

The specialists who's names I have provided disagree.

Has the debate ended because people on boards.ie disagree with university professors

King Mob

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Calling someone a conspiracy theorist when you've lost an argument is like pulling the race card or calling someone a white supremacist or some other crap.

No, when someone is claiming there's a big global conspiracy they can neither explain or substantiate, they are a conspiracy theorist.

If you don't like this label, perhaps stop suggesting large insane global conspiracies that you can't show exist.

In my experience conspiracy theorists like yourself often dodge questions they find difficult or expose the fact their world view as a bit silly.
They also often get very upset like yourself and resort to insults and picking out spelling mistakes.

Now, lets try again.
Why do doctors recommend masks when you believe they don't work?
If you can't answer this, simply state that. No need to dodge and run away and get angry.

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Dublinandy3 wrote: »

Here is the university of San Francisco quoting an infectious diseases specialist doctor explaining the science behind wearing a mask

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Here is the American medical association quoting 5 specialists who say wearing masks helps.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/6-things-doctors-wish-patients-knew-about-masks

Here is the hse saying you should wear one

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/face-coverings-masks-and-covid-19/when-to-wear.html

I can give more if you like

Thank you.

I respect that you have provided these links

However...did you read the first link you posted?
'Editor's Note: This story was updated on July 11 to include information on why valved masks do not block exhaled droplets.'

One the second link from University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. Guess who funded them with $279 million

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Media-Center/Press-Releases/2017/01/IHME-Announcement

Fair enough, The HSE say to wear masks. I would take that on board though there is a debate to be had on the topic and you know this debate will never see the light of day.

runawaybishop

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The doctors I listen to don't recommend wearing masks. In fact they say they are health risks.

Doctor Sucharit Bhakdi from the University of Mainz. One of the most cited specialists in Europe

Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD

Klaus Reinhardt, the president of the German Medical Association

There's loads more. You wouldn't know them....they never get a mention on RTE

RTE would never allow a debate on this between some of the experts I have mentioned and some of the experts that we see on the news daily.

We never had a debate. We never will. It could wake up some of the plebs into questioning things and we couldn't have that

Sucharit Bhakdi - considered to be wildly unscientific in his covid conspiracy opinions. Says covid is no worse than the flu and vaccines are pointless. Has been widely debunked.

Dr. Russell Blaylock, a retired neurosurgeon. Has made false claims that are debunked about masks.

Klaus Reinhardt - widely criticised for careless remarks, later clarified his comments in a joint statement with his association's board: "Although [a mask] is not a reliable protection against one's own infection, it helps to protect others by mechanically reducing the aerosol spread," the statement said.

You don't even look at your own claims properly. Scarlet for your ma.

Dublinandy3

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Thank you.

I respect that you have provided these links

However...did you read the first link you posted?
'Editor's Note: This story was updated on July 11 to include information on why valved masks do not block exhaled droplets.'

One the second link from University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. Guess who funded them with $279 million

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Media-Center/Press-Releases/2017/01/IHME-Announcement

Fair enough, The HSE say to wear masks. I would take that on board though there is a debate to be had on the topic and you know this debate will never see the light of day.

Valves masks, not all masks.

Here is an actual study showing masks help against covid, not just a doctor asking us to trust their word


https://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf

If you don’t want to read it this is part of the findings

The available evidence suggests that near-universal adop- tion of non-medical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures could successfully reduce effective-R to below 1.0, thereby stopping community spread. Economic analysis suggests that the impact of mask wearing could be thousands of US dollars saved per person per mask (93).

runawaybishop

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According to whom?

The specialists who's names I have provided disagree.

Has the debate ended because people on boards.ie disagree with university professors

Debate? You have no intention of debating.

The scientific consensus disagrees with the people you have mentioned. They are wrong and have been proven to be wrong.

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runawaybishop wrote: »

Sucharit Bhakdi - considered to be wildly unscientific in his covid conspiracy opinions. Says covid is no worse than the flu and vaccines are pointless. Has been widely debunked.

By whom?

He is one of the most cited specialists in Europe

runawaybishop wrote: »

Dr. Russell Blaylock, a retired neurosurgeon. Has made false claims that are debunked about masks.

By whom?

runawaybishop wrote: »

Klaus Reinhardt - widely critisised for careless remarks, later clarified his comments in a joint statement with his association's board: "Although [a mask] is not a reliable protection against one's own infection, it helps to protect others by mechanically reducing the aerosol spread," the statement said.

You don't even look at your own claims properly. Scarlet for your ma.

He got a talking to fair enough and got back in line.

We never had a debate on this. I understand why it would scare people.

Instead you listen to a guy like Fauci who changes his mind or Dr Neil Ferguson who's predictions are beyond idiotic

Fauci's AIDS predictions were a joke too. But hey, if its on the telly that's all that matters......The plebs eat it up

runawaybishop

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By whom?

He is one of the most cited specialists in Europe



By whom?




He got a talking to fair enough and got back in line.

We never had a debate on this. I understand why it would scare people.

Instead you listen to a guy like Fauci who changes his mind or Dr Neil Ferguson who's predictions are beyond idiotic

Fauci's AIDS predictions were a joke too. But hey, if its on the telly that's all that matters......The plebs eat it up

I am not here to do your research for you. Post your evidence of their peer reviewed work that supports their claims.

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runawaybishop wrote: »

Debate? You have no intention of debating.

The scientific consensus disagrees with the people you have mentioned. They are wrong and have been proven to be wrong.

I'm not talking about me having a debate.

I am talking about specialists who agree and disagree having a debate on live TV.

The Great Barrington Declaration has been signed by 13,618 medical & public health scientists and 41,244 medical practitioners.

When you say scientific consensus what papers or medical journals are you speaking of?

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runawaybishop wrote: »

I am not here to do your research for you. Post your evidence of their peer reviewed work that supports their claims.

You said debunked............I said debunked by whom......You didnt answer

King Mob

runawaybishop wrote: »

I am not here to do your research for you. Post your evidence of their peer reviewed work that supports their claims.

Notice how he's still not actually answered the question even after you've provided him what he's asked for.

It was a simple deflection because he doesn't want to admit he can't answer the question.

You have to wonder why. He knows he can't answer it. He knows he's dodging it. He knows it pokes a bit of a hole in the conspiracy theory.

Dublinandy3

Threads like this make me smile, I usually resist posting in them. Has anyone ever said, do you know what, you’re right. I doubt it.

Good luck all.

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Dublinandy3 wrote: »

Threads like this make me smile, I usually resist posting in them. Has anyone ever said, do you know what, you’re right. I doubt it.

Good luck all.

I have no probs having a discussion with yourself. We can disagree but you went to the trouble of backing up your opinion with links.

King Mob

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I have no probs having a discussion with yourself. We can disagree but you went to the trouble of backing up your opinion with links.

Why are you dodging the question then?

runawaybishop

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You said debunked............I said debunked by whom......You didnt answer

I'll show you mine if you show me yours. Post evidence from your hero's that masks don't work. Given they have all been discredited or rolled back on what they said I really look forward to this...

You believe spoofers and call others sheep. You have been taken in by charlatans who have convinced you that you are special and everyone else is dumb. It's the oldest trick in the book.

runawaybishop

King Mob wrote: »

Notice how he's still not actually answered the question even after you've provided him what he's asked for.

It was a simple deflection because he doesn't want to admit he can't answer the question.

You have to wonder why. He knows he can't answer it. He knows he's dodging it. He knows it pokes a bit of a hole in the conspiracy theory.

He's too embarrassed to admit he fell for it, or he is still trying to convince himself that they are right and the rest of the world are wrong because to admit otherwise would be damaging to a fragile ego.