All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

Dohnjoe

Note how almost all of these type of posts stem from paranoid of authority.

I guess our local TD's wake up, have breakfast with the family, then are consumed with an overwhelming need to control the masses.

robinph

In agreement that any idea of vaccine passport to be able to do certain activities is bad. That the UK government isn't pushing the idea is a good sign though that it won't happen.

By the time anyone figures out a way for it to work though, it's highly likely to be totally irrelevant. No point in worrying about if someone has been vaccinated before letting them into a pub if 80% of the adult population has been vaccinated. Completely useless proposition and the media should stop asking politicians about it as that just make more people think it's a sensible idea.

The reason you need a vaccine for certain things before travelling to certain countries at the moment is because the local population vaccine programme isn't very good so it's to stop you bringing that disease back home with you.

If you are told that you need a vaccine to go somewhere then it probably means you should rethink where you are going as it's potentially not safe from "whatever" yet.

BigAndy21

Vaccine Passports are ready to go. Also a Smart Mask.

PintOfView

brianhere wrote: »

Timberrrrrr
"Tanzania actually prayed covid away!! We should all try that"
Don't knock it till you've tried it.

Anyway Dave Cullen has outlined here why these state population control measures (masks, social distancing, restrictions on travel internal and external, destruction of local businesses churches and community structures, and constant requirement for new vaccines) are basically forever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxpMddbwYQU .
As he points out, you have been conned but now you have to just accept that and move forward. He calls then for mass disobedience but what form does that take exactly? What I would ask is that people come to Dublin for the mass protests against all this which are been organised for St Patrick's Day.

Basically you must fight for your freedom's now, they are not coming back unless you do so. Our ancestor's did so 100 ago these months, fighting against a tyrannous government, now you have to do the same.

I was going to go through that video and tell you what's wrong with it.
However in my view it's pretty delusional, and I'm not going to waste time trying to rebut individual bits.

The video is saying there is a big conspiracy involving WEF and Bill Gates to enslave us all, and that the virus is a fake, and climate change is a fake, and masks are somehow not meant to reduce virus transmission, but are for some other nefarious purpose, etc., etc., etc.

The person who made this video does not realise, or does not believe, or does not care, that there is a serious virus in circulation.
This virus has the potential to kill lots of people.
Yes, it will mostly be the elderly, the infirm, and people with underlying vulnerabilities, and less outside those brackets.
So, are we to just say, ok, let them all die?

And no Mr Cullen (if that's your name) people were not euthanized in our nursing homes.
They died from covid, and in numbers.
Some possibly from covid that people like you are carrying around because you don't social distance or mask!

PintOfView

NaFirinne wrote: »

We see talks of this vaccine passport being rolled out in the West which is a means to strong arm people into taking the vaccine and also a mechanism to use to futher control peoples behaviours on mass.

So whoever controls this vaccine passport controls the majority of people who will comply and believe that it's their to protect them.

And who do you think will control the vaccine passport?
And how will they control people with it?

And what will those controllers achieve by doing this?

GT89

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So numbers are coming down, restrictions are being eased (which is what everyone wants right?) So this gobshìte decides to hold a "mass protest"? Anyone willing to guess the % of the people attending who will be maskless?

It's as if they want the numbers to go back up so they can continue to post these conspiracies, I wonder how much they are making from the gullible?

That's exactly what BLM did last June and surprise surprise covid cases did not go through the roof after it. But hey I guess covid is that clever it knows not to infect Marxist thugs at blm protests but will infect ordinary decent Irish people standing up for their freedom.

The fact of the matter is regardless of covid cases the country can still be reopened nothing stopping the government from doing it.

GT89

robinph wrote: »

In agreement that any idea of vaccine passport to be able to do certain activities is bad. That the UK government isn't pushing the idea is a good sign though that it won't happen.

By the time anyone figures out a way for it to work though, it's highly likely to be totally irrelevant. No point in worrying about if someone has been vaccinated before letting them into a pub if 80% of the adult population has been vaccinated. Completely useless proposition and the media should stop asking politicians about it as that just make more people think it's a sensible idea.

The reason you need a vaccine for certain things before travelling to certain countries at the moment is because the local population vaccine programme isn't very good so it's to stop you bringing that disease back home with you.

If you are told that you need a vaccine to go somewhere then it probably means you should rethink where you are going as it's potentially not safe from "whatever" yet.

Already in use in Israel
https://twitter.com/wef/status/1364258722898452481?s=19

Although vaccine apartheid is unsurprising from a country that already uses apartheid to oppress Palestinians.

PintOfView

GT89 wrote: »

That's exactly what BLM did last June and surprise surprise covid cases did not go through the roof after it. But hey I guess covid is that clever it knows not to infect Marxist thugs at blm protests but will infect ordinary decent Irish people standing up for their freedom.

The fact of the matter is regardless of covid cases the country can still be reopened nothing stopping the government from doing it.

Please tell me what you think would happen if we reopened and removed restrictions tomorrow, with regards to covid cases and deaths?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

GT89 wrote: »

Hospitals are asking people to despose of used face masks as general waste and not as clinical/biohazard waste. If this virus is so deadly and infectious why aren't masks considered bio hazard waste?

That's not true.

GT89

PintOfView wrote: »

Please tell me what you think would happen if we reopened and removed restrictions tomorrow, with regards to covid cases and deaths?

Not much as we're coming out of flu season. The reason hospitals were under pressure was because of staff self isolating

GT89

No flu in Ireland during flu season 2020/21. Flu has been stopped because of masks, lockdowns and social distancing but covid is on the rampage because people aren't wearing masks, people aren't social distancing and people aren't complying with lockdown restrictions.

You don't need to be an epidemiologist to work out that flu cases are being re classified as covid cases. I'm not saying covid is a hoax I'm saying that it is being blown out of proportion.

King Mob

GT89 wrote: »

No flu in Ireland during flu season 2020/21. Flu has been stopped because of masks, lockdowns and social distancing but covid is on the rampage because people aren't wearing masks, people aren't social distancing and people aren't complying with lockdown restrictions.

You don't need to be an epidemiologist to work out that flu cases are being re classified as covid cases. I'm not saying covid is a hoax I'm saying that it is being blown out of proportion.

But that isn't true though.
It's baseless conspiracy thinking.
You are saying that covid is a hoax.

You still aren't saying which measures are going to be permenant.

runawaybishop

GT89 wrote: »

No flu in Ireland during flu season 2020/21. Flu has been stopped because of masks, lockdowns and social distancing but covid is on the rampage because people aren't wearing masks, people aren't social distancing and people aren't complying with lockdown restrictions.

You don't need to be an epidemiologist to work out that flu cases are being re classified as covid cases. I'm not saying covid is a hoax I'm saying that it is being blown out of proportion.

Covid is more infectious than the flu. Covid tests will not return a positive for covid if you only have the flu.

You don't need to be an epidemiologist to understand this. If you believe otherwise you are being wilfully ignorant.

Flu season huh, and Brazil's huge surge is because it's winter there too is it?

runawaybishop

GT89 wrote: »

Not much as we're coming out of flu season. The reason hospitals were under pressure was because of staff self isolating

That's one of the reasons, the other was a massive number of people in hospital.

GT89

runawaybishop wrote: »

Covid is more infectious than the flu. Covid tests will not return a positive for covid if you only have the flu.

You don't need to be an epidemiologist to understand this. If you believe otherwise you are being wilfully ignorant.

Flu season huh, and Brazil's huge surge is because it's winter there too is it?

Flu is a type of coronavirus and so is Covid 19. There is no test for covid 19 only a test for coronavirus. If you test positive for coronavirus you are put down as a covid 19 case even if you only have the flu or a cold which is another type of coronavirus and not covid 19.

Brazil has a more complex flu season due to being a tropical country.

runawaybishop

GT89 wrote: »

Flu is a type of coronavirus and so is Covid 19. There is no test for covid 19 only a test for coronavirus. If you test positive for coronavirus you are put down as a covid 19 case even if you only have the flu or a cold which is another type of coronavirus and not covid 19.

Brazil has a more complex flu season due to being a tropical country.

Wrong and wrong. Wilfully ignorant it is.

GT89

runawaybishop wrote: »

That's one of the reasons, the other was a massive number of people in hospital.

Hospitals are under more pressure every winter in Ireland due to flu season. Combine flu season with increased staff shortages and you have a recipe for disaster.

GT89

runawaybishop wrote: »

Wrong and wrong. Wilfully ignorant it is.

Grand so. Keep wearing your mask, keep your distance, take your vaccine and keep complying. You can live in lockdown misery forever.

runawaybishop

GT89 wrote: »

Grand so. Keep wearing your mask, keep your distance, take your vaccine and keep complying. You can live in lockdown misery forever.

Cop on. You are posting nonsense that is completely false. Stop getting your info off Facebook.

GT89

runawaybishop wrote: »

Cop on. You are posting nonsense that is completely false. Stop getting your info off Facebook.

I don't use Facebook on political issues due to censorship I use MeWe, Bitchute, Gab, Parler (before it was taken down) and Telegram which are uncensored.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

GT89 wrote: »

Hospitals are under more pressure every winter in Ireland due to flu season. Combine flu season with increased staff shortages and you have a recipe for disaster.

Hey man, I think I've explained this to you before but here goes. In one way you're right, the hospitals are not overrun with covid, for the most part they're actually very quiet, some outpatient stuff is happening again due to lower covid numbers etc. In the place where I work we've several buildings with 4 stories which are mostly covid free, this means when your mother or father get sick they have somewhere to go.

The thing is at its peak in Ireland those four story buildings, all of them, were all full with covid, then covid patients were being moved into places where they shouldn't be... like the emergency dept leading to more problems.

I understand what you're saying but you don't see the knock on effect of an outbreak.

runawaybishop

GT89 wrote: »

I don't use Facebook on political issues due to censorship I use MeWe, Bitchute, Gab, Parler (before it was taken down) and Telegram which are uncensored.

Whatever you use, it's total horse****. Brazil's peak flu season is June/July.

Lecturer in immunology and host-microbe interactions at the Department of Biological Sciences at the University of Limerick, Dr Elizabeth J Ryan, said that viral tests for current cases of Covid-19 are “very specific” for material that is “only expressed by the Covid-19 virus”.

“Having a cold or flu won’t change that,” Dr Ryan said.

You are posting lies. Post actual sources unless you enjoy being dismissed as a crank.

King Mob

GT89 wrote: »

Flu is a type of coronavirus .

Completely untrue. Outright lie.

You are simply making things up now.

What lockdown misery if going to last forever exactly.
Why do you guys have to keep avoiding this question and have to resort to telling out and out lies.

GT89

King Mob wrote: »

What lockdown misery if going to last forever exactly.
Why do you guys have to keep avoiding this question and have to resort to telling out and out lies.

Lockdown sets a precedent as a tool that could be used for different scenarios such as social/political unrest or things like climate change. It is an example of social engineering in action. Masks and social distancing for example are nothing to do with public health they are a control mechanism designed to increase levels of obedience. We were told only for masks to be effective only 80% compliance was needed but yet 100% compliance was sought.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says

King Mob

GT89 wrote: »

Masks and social distancing for example are nothing to do with public health they are a control mechanism designed to increase levels of obedience.

Complete nonsense.
How do masks increase obedience?

Why did you lie and claim the flu was a coronavirus?
Why should anyone take your claims at all seriously when you are so willing to make such a bald faced lie and then completely ignore the fact you've been called out on it?

If you lied about that you're most likely lying about this stuff too.

GT89

King Mob wrote: »

Complete nonsense.
How do masks increase obedience?

People wear them to avoid being fined, arrested or fired from their jobs meaning they wear to comply with the law not to avoid catching or spreading covid. In places where masks are not mandatory compliance with wearing like is a lot lower.

PintOfView

GT89 wrote: »

Flu is a type of coronavirus and so is Covid 19. There is no test for covid 19 only a test for coronavirus. If you test positive for coronavirus you are put down as a covid 19 case even if you only have the flu or a cold which is another type of coronavirus and not covid 19.

Just to correct you there.

See the following page (one of many on the internet with this info)
https://www.labnews.co.uk/article/2030503/coronavirus-is-it-just-a-type-of-flu

Some extracts from that page ...
"Both influenza and coronaviruses have a single strand of RNA as their genome, but that is where the genomic similarity ends.
The influenza virus genome comprises 7 or 8 segments, while the coronavirus has one long strand.
Influenza virus RNA is what is known as ‘negative sense RNA’. . . . . .
In contrast, the coronavirus genome is ‘positive sense’ which means it can act as messenger RNA and code for proteins.
So from a virological point of view, coronavirus is definitely not a type of flu."

and also (sorry for the length, but will save you having to go there)

"Thousands of coronaviruses have been identified to date. Most have been found in animals, including many species in bats.
There are at least 7 coronavirus species known to infect humans.
Two, namely Human Coronavirus 229E (HCoV-229E) Human Coronavirus OC43 ( HCoV-OC43), were identified in the 1960s and between them they are thought to account for 25% of all common colds.
Subsequently, the use of more sensitive techniques, which detect the viral genome, has led to the identification of two more species.
These are called HCoV-NL63 and HCoV-HKU1, reflecting the fact that they were first found in patient samples in the Netherlands and Hong Kong respectively
In the 21st century, three new coronaviruses associated with widespread transmission have emerged.
Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) was first reported from China in late 2002.
Then in 2012 a different epidemic virus, Middle Eastern respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) was identified in Saudi Arabia.
The most recent addition to the list has been named severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) since its sequence shows that it is very closely related to the 2002 SARS virus.
The disease it causes is to be called COVID-19 ( coronavirus identified in 2019)2. "

Do you now understand that you were mistaken in what you said above?

PintOfView

GT89 wrote: »

Lockdown sets a precedent as a tool that could be used for different scenarios such as social/political unrest or things like climate change. It is an example of social engineering in action. Masks and social distancing for example are nothing to do with public health they are a control mechanism designed to increase levels of obedience. We were told only for masks to be effective only 80% compliance was needed but yet 100% compliance was sought.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says

Suppose we did have a real virus, that was as dangerous as some people say Covid is, what measures would you suggest to help suppress it?

Or would you just let it run, and kill lots of people?

storker

GT89 wrote: »

I don't use Facebook on political issues due to censorship I use MeWe, Bitchute, Gab, Parler (before it was taken down) and Telegram which are uncensored.

Trying going the extra mile and getting information that is not only uncensored, but is also correct (this is actually the crucial bit).

"Uncensored" does not mean "accurate".

King Mob

GT89 wrote: »

People wear them to avoid being fined, arrested or fired from their jobs meaning they wear to comply with the law not to avoid catching or spreading covid. In places where masks are not mandatory compliance with wearing like is a lot lower.

Again abject nonsense.

You have also again avoided addressing your bald faced lies.
Why?