Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Donegalforever

A US priest has a YouTube video out on Coronavirus that may be interesting.

Fr. Altier: Coronavirus - The Truth Revealed.

He says he has proof of all the claims he makes on the subject.

DebDynamite

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

feel sorry for the ordinary residents there. state of the place after it.

Yeah, god love them. It says they had to clean up the mess afterwards. It must be sickening to have that going on on your own doorstep and be powerless to do anything about it.

DebDynamite

ACitizenErased wrote: »

“The statement added that no breaches of regulations were detected and officers maintained a presence in the area.”

Yeah, this is what I can’t understand. There’s two breaches there - no gatherings, and no mixing with any more than one household in your home or garden.

Nevermind all the laughing gas canisters on the ground...

Polar101

ACitizenErased wrote: »

“The statement added that no breaches of regulations were detected and officers maintained a presence in the area.”

I guess detecting isn't one of the strengths of the Gardai.

Plumbthedepths

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Very high numbers today. I'm very worried that we might see what happened in Italy earlier in the year. We acted quickly back then. But it's now we have to live with it.

Yeah we acted quickly by removing the elderly from hospital beds and putting them into care homes, without a test. Holohan advised Nursing homes not to restrict visitors in March. The nursing homes was where the majority of our deaths occurred.
Btw do you think prehaps we have learned a few things since the images of Lombardy hit our screens?

Strumms

spookwoman wrote: »

If the restrictions get extended might start seeing vigilante groups sorting these out.

The Gardai would be fast enough to tackle vigilantes but as we’ve seen they have little in the way of want to sort out the scumbags having parties / large gatherings.

Goldrickssan

Donegalforever wrote: »

A US priest has a YouTube video out on Coronavirus that may be interesting.

Fr. Altier: Coronavirus - The Truth Revealed.

He says he has proof of all the claims he makes on the subject.

Good lord some people actually can't be saved

Wolf359f

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yeah we acted quickly by removing the elderly from hospital beds and putting them into care homes, without a test. Holohan advised Nursing homes not to restrict visitors in March. The nursing homes was where the majority of our deaths occurred.
Btw do you think prehaps we have learned a few things since the images of Lombardy hit our screens?

There's no evidence visitors brought Covid into nursing homes, it looks like it was brought in from staff, who picked it up in the community, from the public.

alentejo

The worse this second wave in europe is, the quicker the pandemic will pass.

Plumbthedepths

Wolf359f wrote: »

There's no evidence visitors brought Covid into nursing homes, it looks like it was brought in from staff, who picked it up in the community, from the public.

lol.

billybonkers

billybonkers wrote: »

The lads in Oliver Bond have been at this all summer, why is it a surprise now?

How long until they move rest of Ireland to level 3? Realistically they have to do it at some stage why not soon to curb the spread completely? If it's this bad in Dublin it will get out to the other counties

Ireland will be at 3 and Dublin 4 soon enough, due to our chronic health service and the fear of the politicians of the inevitable hospital sh1tsh0w.. That’s all it is. That’s the reason why we are panicking and other countries are restricting contacts and gatherings, and enforcing WFH, but otherwise getting on with things perfectly calmly without the state media banging on.

This will be with us for a year. Most epidemiologists and virologists are talking about a possible vaccine in maybe Q2 next year, and no universal availability until much later in the year. So what will be different here in November, or January or March or June next year? Nothing, other than an even lower level of compliance with the rules, due to general fatigue. Oscillating between phase 2 and 4 for the next 12 months will ruin us. It is just not possible

This strategy will not work for 12 more months (at best). We need to be bolder is keeping things open and getting to some normality (masks, hygiene, social distancing notwithstanding). Treatment is better now, the UK has loads of ICU capacity. We need to be bolder and if our ICU become overrun, then ask Boris if we can use some nightingale capacity.

drunkmonkey

That's some amount of laughing gas on the pitch, had to do a double take thought it was needles first. Suppose it's a positive news story, kids are improving.

Hego Damask

Ce he sin wrote: »

Why, I wonder? Why not go a little further west and look at Norway? 49 deaths per million people compared to 580 for Sweden.

Norway is having a second wave now, it's inevitable ..

gmisk

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's some amount of laughing gas on the pitch, had to do a double take thought it was needles first. Suppose it's a positive news story, kids are improving.

Kids are improving? What does that even mean in this context?
Inhaling laughing gas isn't exactly clever or safe...

FintanMcluskey

BobbyMalone wrote: »

580/million according to Worldometers. That's just behind Italy at 591. Obviously those figures don't take into account what they are taking as Coronavirus deaths, but being just a bit behind Italy would be a good place to be, imo. Ireland is 362.

Since nearly all deaths occur in the over 65 age group the deaths/million should really be adjusted for the population over 65.

Seen as its like a score keeping exercise.

Sweden vs Europe

Use the correct metrics at least

Ireland has a very young population, which is a natural defense.

Still did no better than Sweden, however

smellyoldboot

ACitizenErased wrote: »

“The statement added that no breaches of regulations were detected and officers maintained a presence in the area.”

Gardai couldn't give a Fcuk in other words.

dockysher

alentejo wrote: »

The worse this second wave in europe is, the quicker the pandemic will pass.

And the quicker more people will die. Great thinking

rogieop

Donegalforever wrote: »

A US priest has a YouTube video out on Coronavirus that may be interesting.

Fr. Altier: Coronavirus - The Truth Revealed.

He says he has proof of all the claims he makes on the subject.

Without watching the vid I'll bet this months mortgage he has zero proof...

Wolf359f

Wolf359f wrote: »

There's no evidence visitors brought Covid into nursing homes, it looks like it was brought in from staff, who picked it up in the community, from the public.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

lol.

Can you explain how there were little to no cases in nursing homes for about 3 weeks after they finally banned visitors? How did it get in if there were no visitors?

normanoffside

Wolf359f wrote: »

There's no evidence visitors brought Covid into nursing homes, it looks like it was brought in from staff, who picked it up in the community, from the public.

What about the residents that Holohan sent back to the homes Covid Positive (without test) from Hospital in order to clear beds for the younger population?

Wolf359f

normanoffside wrote: »

What about the residents that Holohan sent back to the homes Covid Positive (without test) from Hospital in order to clear beds for the younger population?

They were not visitors.
I'm not going to argue that mistakes were not made, but someone making a false claim, I'll call them out.

ACitizenErased

lulublue22 wrote: »

From the 3 schools affected in Ballincollig ?

Rumours its a nursing home

drunkmonkey

gmisk wrote: »

Kids are improving? What does that even mean in this context?
Inhaling laughing gas isn't exactly clever or safe...

I was at a concert in croke park a good few years ago, held on for a few minutes to let the crowd disperse all around us was covered in needles.
I'm happy to see young folk taking laughing gas rather than heroin. Yea I know it's against public health advice before you go off on one.

rogieop

rogieop wrote: »

Without watching the vid I'll bet this months mortgage he has zero proof...

Going by the sites and Twitter users linking and talking about it, fairly safe bet.

screamer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ireland will be at 3 and Dublin 4 soon enough, due to our chronic health service and the fear of the politicians of the inevitable hospital sh1tsh0w.. That’s all it is. That’s the reason why we are panicking and other countries are restricting contacts and gatherings, and enforcing WFH, but otherwise getting on with things perfectly calmly without the state media banging on.

This will be with us for a year. Most epidemiologists and virologists are talking about a possible vaccine in maybe Q2 next year, and no universal availability until much later in the year. So what will be different here in November, or January or March or June next year? Nothing, other than an even lower level of compliance with the rules, due to general fatigue. Oscillating between phase 2 and 4 for the next 12 months will ruin us. It is just not possible

This strategy will not work for 12 more months (at best). We need to be bolder is keeping things open and getting to some normality (masks, hygiene, social distancing notwithstanding). Treatment is better now, the UK has loads of ICU capacity. We need to be bolder and if our ICU become overrun, then ask Boris if we can use some nightingale capacity.

You do know that they are currently discussing London restrictions where the caseload is just 25 per 100,000 and are also flying flags for a second full lockdown countrywide when the second wave hits..... they are in a position no better than we are.

Plumbthedepths

Wolf359f wrote: »

Can you explain how there were little to no cases in nursing homes for about 3 weeks after they finally banned visitors? How did it get in if there were no visitors?

My friends wife is a financial controller in a nursing home. They had no cases until a patient was transferred from a public hospital guess what happened. Anecdotal I know.

s1ippy

s1ippy wrote: »

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Sorry fixed the link.

drunkmonkey

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

My friends wife is a financial controller in a nursing home. They had no cases until a patient was transferred from a public hospital guess what happened. Anecdotal I know.

How did the CMO not realize what would happen, do we know who made that decision, if it wasn't made we wouldn't be half as worried.

Plumbthedepths

Wolf359f wrote: »

They were not visitors.
I'm not going to argue that mistakes were not made, but someone making a false claim, I'll call them out.

You picked one part of my comment to alledge it's a false claim? Yet I also mentioned that patients were transferred without a test into nursing homes but you decided not to challenge that part of my comment.
Goodnight I won't be responding to you further.

Gael23

Have seen numerous posts on social media of Dubliners going in weekends away down the country

Hego Damask

dockysher wrote: »

And the quicker more people will die. Great thinking

You're welcome to stay at home hiding under your bed till March .... 2025

Plumbthedepths

drunkmonkey wrote: »

How did the CMO not realize what would happen, do we know who made that decision, if it wasn't made we wouldn't be half as worried.

Tony asked people not to blame anyone for the nursing homes, I wonder why?

drunkmonkey

Gael23 wrote: »

Have seen numerous posts on social media of Dubliners going in weekends away down the country

They were in Clare at the weekend sporting their Dublin colours facemasks, was pretty shocked to see some of their kids wearing them in the playground. Disgraceful behavior, plenty of D regs heading back up the motorway this evening.
They need to lock them down good and proper.

Wolf359f

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You picked one part of my comment to alledge it's a false claim? Yet I also mentioned that patients were transferred without a test into nursing homes but you decided not to challenge that part of my comment.
Goodnight I won't be responding to you further.

I won't challenge a correct statement, or debate it as I would be just agreeing with you. But yes, a false claim or saying something which skews the facts and transfers blame to the public etc... yes I will make a comment.
Don't post incorrect statements and you won't be challenged.

tigger123

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I was at a concert in croke park a good few years ago, held on for a few minutes to let the crowd disperse all around us was covered in needles.
I'm happy to see young folk taking laughing gas rather than heroin. Yea I know it's against public health advice before you go off on one.

A load of people in Croke Park were shooting up while watching a gig?

drunkmonkey

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Tony asked people not to blame anyone for the nursing homes, I wonder why?

Someone will be held to account yet. We've had a few pandemics under his watch, I can't believe it was him he knows better. Was it a government decision in the end I wonder.

Plumbthedepths

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Someone will be held to account yet. We've had a few pandemics under his watch, I can't believe it was him he knows better. Was it a government decision in the end I wonder.

We may have a tribunal of enquiry at some stage into the future of the handling of the pandemic. I can predict the findings. Systematic failure lessons to be learned ( in other words no individual responsibility)

Wolf359f

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Someone will be held to account yet. We've had a few pandemics under his watch, I can't believe it was him he knows better. Was it a government decision in the end I wonder.

NPHET advise, government make decisions, buck lies with the government.
Unless NPHET also advice HIQA directly?

drunkmonkey

tigger123 wrote: »

A load of people in Croke Park were shooting up while watching a gig?

Going by the ground when they left yes it was covered in needles, It was the Vertigo tour in 2005.

drunkmonkey

Wolf359f wrote: »

NPHET advise, government make decisions, buck lies with the government.
Unless NPHET also advice HIQA directly?

I know they advise but do you think the decision was ultimately with Simon Harris?.

copeyhagen

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Going by the ground when they left yes it was covered in needles, It was the Vertigo tour in 2005.

heroin is FAR from a gig drug though.

tigger123

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Going by the ground when the left yes it was covered in needles, It was the Vertigo tour in 2005.

I find it very hard to believe that people went to see U2 in Croker in 2005 and decided to shoot up heroin while standing in a crowd and watching Bono and the lads.

I don't think I've ever seen or heard of anyone injecting heroin at a gig.

Plumbthedepths

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I know they advise but do you think the decision was ultimately with Simon Harris?.

HIQA the guys with nursing home oversight has a representative on NPHET.
Nphet has also spent the last week undermining the government with media leaks. The tail wags the dog.

normanoffside

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Tony asked people not to blame anyone for the nursing homes, I wonder why?

If Tony hadn't F*cked up with the nursing homes then we wouldn't be in such a state of panic and Paranoia now.

Both Anders Tengell in Sweden and Emmanuel Macron In France have admitted to and apologised for oversight which lead to excessive deaths in Nursing homes. Haven't hearad anything from our overlords.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200510-sweden-admits-failure-to-protect-elderly-in-care-homes

https://oltnews.com/36-7-million-people-watch-emmanuel-macron-apologize-for-not-having-prepared-france-for-an-epidemic-daily-mail

drunkmonkey

tigger123 wrote: »

I find it very hard to believe that people went to see U2 in Croker in 2005 and decided to shoot up heroin while standing in a crowd and watching Bono and the lads.

I don't think I've ever seen or heard of anyone injecting heroin at a gig.

Me neither but that's what was on the ground close to where we all were. I remember it clearly, it was one of those jesus christ moments. I didn't see anyone shooting up but must have been a gang of them.

Wolf359f

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I know they advise but do you think the decision was ultimately with Simon Harris?.

I'm not sure who can dictate to the HSE, obviously the health minister, but I'm not sure if he can act alone or needs cabinet approval.
Makes sense why the new government want to install another buffer between them and NPHET, plausible deniability!

Del Griffith

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I was at a concert in croke park a good few years ago, held on for a few minutes to let the crowd disperse all around us was covered in needles.
I'm happy to see young folk taking laughing gas rather than heroin. Yea I know it's against public health advice before you go off on one.

One of the most ridiculous and least credible posts in here, and that's really saying something in this thread.

billybonkers

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Going by the ground when they left yes it was covered in needles, It was the Vertigo tour in 2005.

No preople were not shooting up at a u2 gig in 2005. Whatever you saw was not needles and they definitely were not all around you. I've been to 100's of gigs in Dublin and never seen a needle lying around after a gig. Why bother making this up?

Plumbthedepths

normanoffside wrote: »

If Tony hadn't F*cked up with the nursing homes then we wouldn't be in such a state of panic and Paranoia now.

Both Anders Tengell in Sweden and Emmanuel Macron In France have admitted to and apologised for oversight which lead to excessive deaths in Nursing homes. Haven't hearad anything from our overlords.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200510-sweden-admits-failure-to-protect-elderly-in-care-homes

https://oltnews.com/36-7-million-people-watch-emmanuel-macron-apologize-for-not-having-prepared-france-for-an-epidemic-daily-mail

Ah don't blame Tony, how could he have known. It wasn't as if elderly people were falling victim in large numbers elsewhere in Europe that we were aware of.....sssh don't mention Italy.

tigger123

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Me neither but that's what was on the ground close to where we all were. I remember it clearly, it was one of those jesus christ moments. I didn't see anyone shooting up but must have been a gang of them.

Yeah...