Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Roger_007

sideswipe wrote: »

Just caught a couple of minutes of NewsTalk with Pat Kenny and Luck O'Neill chatting while I was in a shop this morning. O'Neill said that only 1 in 5 people who test positive are actually infectious! That's a pretty significant claim.

How would he know that?............or is he just spoofing, as usual?

drunkmonkey

sideswipe wrote: »

Just caught a couple of minutes of NewsTalk with Pat Kenny and Luck O'Neill chatting while I was in a shop this morning. O'Neill said that only 1 in 5 people who test positive are actually infectious! That's a pretty significant claim.

Do we know what percentage of positive tests are symptomatic, Paul Reid said 8% of close contacts are found to have the virus but again I don't know what percent of that 8% are symptomatic.

1 in 5 seems very high, wonder where he's getting those figures.

Denny61

sideswipe wrote: »

Just caught a couple of minutes of NewsTalk with Pat Kenny and Luck O'Neill chatting while I was in a shop this morning. O'Neill said that only 1 in 5 people who test positive are actually infectious! That's a pretty significant claim.

Yes but if you walk in to.a room with those 5 people..how are you to know which one in 5 is infectious ??.so it goes back to the manta that expect all to be infectious ..

theballz

Disaster in a creche a friend of mine uses.

One of the workers got results of test this morning. Tested positive and I believe the children were told not to come in today.

However, over the weekend with communions some of the families had visits (from 1 house hold) over the course of the day. Therefore all of them need to also self isolate whilst the family of the baby in the creche go for covid test today.

Cannot for the life of me see how Creches, schools and colleges are going to remain open

Away With The Fairies

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Until when, a vaccine arrives, we need a certain amount of herd immunity even with a vaccine. Dragging this out for as long as possible doesn't seem like a correct strategy. There's certain people who need to protect themselves, that is on them. The rest of us should carry on as normal and get that immunity as quick as possible. We've made a mistake by not doing this while we had good weather.

Double lung transplant in a young woman in her 20s.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-woman-double-lung-transplant-chicago/

We cannot let this spread.

Roger_007

theballz wrote: »

Disaster in a creche a friend of mine uses.

One of the workers got results of test this morning. Tested positive and I believe the children were told not to come in today.

However, over the weekend with communions some of the families had visits (from 1 house hold) over the course of the day. Therefore all of them need to also self isolate whilst the family of the baby in the creche go for covid test today.

Cannot for the life of me see how Creches, schools and colleges are going to remain open

Disaster?

You mean like a plane crash or something?

B.A._Baracus

theballz wrote: »

Disaster in a creche a friend of mine uses.

One of the workers got results of test this morning. Tested positive and I believe the children were told not to come in today.

However, over the weekend with communions some of the families had visits (from 1 house hold) over the course of the day. Therefore all of them need to also self isolate whilst the family of the baby in the creche go for covid test today.

Cannot for the life of me see how Creches, schools and colleges are going to remain open

Yeah. It's crazy indeed.
I mean kids are going to be kids. They'll play and they won't really get the social distancing thing or washing hands etc. They're kids!

Maybe it's time to re-evaluate schools and creches.

What Username Guidelines

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Until when, a vaccine arrives, we need a certain amount of herd immunity even with a vaccine. Dragging this out for as long as possible doesn't seem like a correct strategy. There's certain people who need to protect themselves, that is on them. The rest of us should carry on as normal and get that immunity as quick as possible. We've made a mistake by not doing this while we had good weather.

Can you define who they are?

blade1

England looking at 50'000 cases a day by 13th Oct if current trend continues.

podgeandrodge

I no longer know what to think. So surfaces fine, and masks will stop spread. But no spread when there were no masks albeit less people congregating obviously. Masks don't seem to have had much impact over the last 2 months, and I think they have removed the hygiene standards drummed into us back in March. That could be the problem.

What Username Guidelines

blade1 wrote: »

England looking at 50'000 cases a day by 13th Oct if current trend continues.

And we're looking at 2,000 in Dublin alone apparently. Has any country had such an incident rate? I'm not saying open her up, but what's this projection based on?

GooglePlus

English scientific aid to CMO acknowledging that antibodies fade over time and that roughly 8% of the UK have them but that their fading means they're not a guaranteed protection.

GooglePlus

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

And we're looking at 2,000 in Dublin alone apparently. Has any country had such an incident rate? I'm not saying open her up, but what's this projection based on?

I think it was a worse case scenario with a doubling every 7 days.

blade1

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

And we're looking at 2,000 in Dublin alone apparently. Has any country had such an incident rate? I'm not saying open her up, but what's this projection based on?

The English one?
Doubling every 7 days.

drunkmonkey

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Can you define who they are?

High risk groups
The list of people in high risk groups includes people who:

• are over 60 years of age
• have a learning disability
• have a lung condition that's not severe (such as asthma, COPD, emphysema or bronchitis)
• have heart disease (such as heart failure)
• have high blood pressure (hypertension)
• have diabetes
• have chronic kidney disease
• have liver disease (such as hepatitis)
• have a medical condition that can affect your breathing
• have cancer
• have clinically stable cystic fibrosis
• have a weak immune system (immunosuppressed)
• have cerebrovascular disease
• have a condition affecting your brain or nerves (such as Parkinson's disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis, or cerebral palsy)
• have a problem with your spleen or have had your spleen removed
• have a condition that means you have a high risk of getting infections (such as HIV, lupus or scleroderma)
• are taking medicine that can affect your immune system (such as low doses of steroids)
• have obesity
• are residents of nursing homes and other long-stay settings
• are in specialist disability care and are over 50 years of age or have an underlying health problem.

Hurrache

So your advocating that responsibility only lies on those people? Moronic.

blade1

GooglePlus wrote: »

I think it was a worse case scenario with a doubling every 7 days.

A worse case scenario would be spreading more then double.
Its going by the current scenario.

drunkmonkey

GooglePlus wrote: »

English scientific aid to CMO acknowledging that antibodies fade over time and that roughly 8% of the UK have them but that their fading means they're not a guaranteed protection.

That's the problem with the slow draw, vaccine will be pretty much useless without opening up as you'll end up in the same position.

MadYaker

drunkmonkey wrote: »

High risk groups
The list of people in high risk groups includes people who:

• are over 60 years of age
• have a learning disability
• have a lung condition that's not severe (such as asthma, COPD, emphysema or bronchitis)
• have heart disease (such as heart failure)
• have high blood pressure (hypertension)
• have diabetes
• have chronic kidney disease
• have liver disease (such as hepatitis)
• have a medical condition that can affect your breathing
• have cancer
• have clinically stable cystic fibrosis
• have a weak immune system (immunosuppressed)
• have cerebrovascular disease
• have a condition affecting your brain or nerves (such as Parkinson's disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis, or cerebral palsy)
• have a problem with your spleen or have had your spleen removed
• have a condition that means you have a high risk of getting infections (such as HIV, lupus or scleroderma)
• are taking medicine that can affect your immune system (such as low doses of steroids)
• have obesity
• are residents of nursing homes and other long-stay settings
• are in specialist disability care and are over 50 years of age or have an underlying health problem.

Paul Reid from the HSE reckons this adds up to about a third of the population.

drunkmonkey

Hurrache wrote: »

So your advocating that responsibility only lies on those people? Moronic.

It's their lives the ultimate responsibility is with them, it's not Moronic, if I was at risk I wouldn't be depending on you to save me.

Hurrache

MadYaker wrote: »

Paul Reid from the HSE reckons this adds up to about a third of the population.

This poster doesn't deal with facts, or reality, at all. Attitudes like his is one of the reasons why there's a struggle to control it.

Exhibit A.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's their lives the ultimate responsibility is with them, it's not Moronic, if I was at risk I wouldn't be depending on you to save me.

They should also avoid going to gigs as there's very likely a risk they'll be pricked by a disease ridden needle.

landofthetree

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Until when, a vaccine arrives, we need a certain amount of herd immunity even with a vaccine. Dragging this out for as long as possible doesn't seem like a correct strategy. There's certain people who need to protect themselves, that is on them. The rest of us should carry on as normal and get that immunity as quick as possible. We've made a mistake by not doing this while we had good weather.

What if a vaccine doesnt arrive in 2021 or even 2022?

What then?

I've supported the measures/lockdown so far but if our only exit strategy is wait for a vaccine it will eventually lead to major unrest.

No government in the western world can keep lockdown going for years.

take everything

Hurrache wrote: »

So your advocating that responsibility only lies on those people? Moronic.

I saw the bould Dan O' Brien advocate something similar in his column yesterday.

Basically saying vulnerable people need to take responsibility and let others get on with their lives.

****head

MadYaker

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's their lives the ultimate responsibility is with them, it's not Moronic, if I was at risk I wouldn't be depending on you to save me.

You wouldn't have a choice unfortunately

podgeandrodge

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I no longer know what to think. So surfaces fine, and masks will stop spread. But no spread when there were no masks albeit less people congregating obviously. Masks don't seem to have had much impact over the last 2 months, and I think they have removed the hygiene standards drummed into us back in March. That could be the problem.

The masks have been removed for social gatherings in restaurants, gastropubs and mothers' coffee shop meetings where, unimpressed by the space required to place full meals, they huddle more closely as they exchange chat. I've been observing it a lot. These (particularly middle-class) mums have just come from leaving the kids at school and catching up on the latest, typically in groups of 3/4. That is just one seemingly innocent way that it could have been spreading.

Away With The Fairies

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How long will it take Ireland to make this news official so that we can make better plans like perhaps mandatory masks in all indoor public places. There's still factories operating without face masks and offices aren't included in the government's list of where to wear a mask.

CDC Guidance per the link

COVID-19 most commonly spreads
Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
Through respiratory droplets or small particles, such as those in aerosols, produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, sings, talks, or breathes.
These particles can be inhaled into the nose, mouth, airways, and lungs and cause infection. This is thought to be the main way the virus spreads.
Droplets can also land on surfaces and objects and be transferred by touch. A person may get COVID-19 by touching the surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or eyes. Spread from touching surfaces is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.
It is possible that COVID-19 may spread through the droplets and airborne particles that are formed when a person who has COVID-19 coughs, sneezes, sings, talks, or breathes. There is growing evidence that droplets and airborne particles can remain suspended in the air and be breathed in by others, and travel distances beyond 6 feet (for example, during choir practice, in restaurants, or in fitness classes). In general, indoor environments without good ventilation increase this risk.

Nothing new

billybonkers

landofthetree wrote: »

What if a vaccine doesnt arrive in 2021 or even 2022?

What then?

No chance we see a vaccine here before end of 2021 at the absolute earliest

GooglePlus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's the problem with the slow draw, vaccine will be pretty much useless without opening up as you'll end up in the same position.

Also noted that vaccines are generating an immune response that will provide protection unlike antibody protection provided by infection.

drunkmonkey

Hurrache wrote: »

This poster doesn't deal with facts, or reality, at all. Attitudes like his is one of the reasons why there's a struggle to control it.

Your not even a funny Troll give it a rest and go back under your bridge.
Attack the post not the poster, that's how it works around here. I'm pretty sure who your other username is now.

Hector Savage

Happydays2020 wrote: »

He is not UN staff - he is the representative of an NGO to the UN.

ah sorry, he's only a representative to the UN that pretends his 6 year old daughter dies to spread fear and panic.

Point negated so.

drunkmonkey

GooglePlus wrote: »

Also noted that vaccines are generating an immune response that will provide protection unlike antibody protection provided by infection.

Have we any idea for how long that protection might last?

Away With The Fairies

drunkmonkey wrote: »

High risk groups
The list of people in high risk groups includes people who:

• are over 60 years of age
• have a learning disability
• have a lung condition that's not severe (such as asthma, COPD, emphysema or bronchitis)
• have heart disease (such as heart failure)
• have high blood pressure (hypertension)
• have diabetes
• have chronic kidney disease
• have liver disease (such as hepatitis)
• have a medical condition that can affect your breathing
• have cancer
• have clinically stable cystic fibrosis
• have a weak immune system (immunosuppressed)
• have cerebrovascular disease
• have a condition affecting your brain or nerves (such as Parkinson's disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis, or cerebral palsy)
• have a problem with your spleen or have had your spleen removed
• have a condition that means you have a high risk of getting infections (such as HIV, lupus or scleroderma)
• are taking medicine that can affect your immune system (such as low doses of steroids)
• have obesity
• are residents of nursing homes and other long-stay settings
• are in specialist disability care and are over 50 years of age or have an underlying health problem.

What about 20 year olds who are healthy? Look what happened to this 20 something year old who was healthy before being hospitalised with covid.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-woman-double-lung-transplant-chicago/

Funsterdelux

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Until when, a vaccine arrives, we need a certain amount of herd immunity even with a vaccine. Dragging this out for as long as possible doesn't seem like a correct strategy. There's certain people who need to protect themselves, that is on them. The rest of us should carry on as normal and get that immunity as quick as possible. We've made a mistake by not doing this while we had good weather.

If you want it to spread faster then the good weather or summer is not the time.

Recent studies done show it lasts 7 times longer in spring/Autumn on surfaces, cant remember what the winter rate was but you can guess it would be many times more again.

Theres just too many variables to let it run rampant.

Hurrache

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Your not even a funny Troll give it a rest and go back under your bridge.
Attack the post not the poster, that's how it works around here. I'm pretty sure who your other username is now.

I am attacking the post, you said it, not me. I said previously, incorrectly call me a troll all you want, it's what you said, repeatedly.

It fits in with your posting style on this subject, repeatedly post bull****, over and over, and don't have the balls to stand behind what you say, about anything.

Then you run and cry troll about your own posts. Bizarre.

I'd love you to post who my other username is, at least man up and stand behind that, or will you run away with a whinge again? It might help me diagnose a split personality mental disorder I have that I'm unaware of and help me face the other me.

theballz

theballz wrote: »

Disaster in a creche a friend of mine uses.

One of the workers got results of test this morning. Tested positive and I believe the children were told not to come in today.

However, over the weekend with communions some of the families had visits (from 1 house hold) over the course of the day. Therefore all of them need to also self isolate whilst the family of the baby in the creche go for covid test today.

Cannot for the life of me see how Creches, schools and colleges are going to remain open

They are secondary contacts. They don't have to isolate.

Away With The Fairies

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's their lives the ultimate responsibility is with them, it's not Moronic, if I was at risk I wouldn't be depending on you to save me.

That's absolutely bull**** how responsibility lies with the person with the condition. What about their family who can catch covid and bring it home?

GooglePlus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Have we any idea for how long that protection might last?

Probably won't know until the test subjects are tested again later on.

drunkmonkey

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What about 20 year olds who are healthy? Look what happened to this 20 something year old who was healthy before being hospitalised with covid.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-woman-double-lung-transplant-chicago/

Your at the extreme end there it's highly unlikely that's going to happen, it wouldn't surprise me if that person had CF, Even if they didn't have CF I was surprised they were allowed jump the que.
Have you another example of it happening in the other 7.594 billion of us?

Hurrache

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Your at the extreme end there it's highly unlikely that's going to happen, it wouldn't surprise me if that person had CF, Even if they didn't have CF I was surprised they were allowed jump the que.
Have you another example of it happening in the other 7.594 billion of us?

Fingers in your ears, again.

charlietheminxx

I posted this in the testing thread but didn't get any feedback, hoping someone here can help:

Has anyone had any trouble getting referred for a test?

I phoned the GP this morning because what was a mildly sore throat yesterday has escalated into a nasty cough. The GP is backlogged so I had to fill out an assessment form on their website for a call back, but when I submitted it said that their current call back time is 24 hours.

Did this happen to anyone else? Is there anywhere I can phone to get referred for a test faster?

Funsterdelux

charlietheminxx wrote: »

I posted this in the testing thread but didn't get any feedback, hoping someone here can help:

Has anyone had any trouble getting referred for a test?

I phoned the GP this morning because what was a mildly sore throat yesterday has escalated into a nasty cough. The GP is backlogged so I had to fill out an assessment form on their website for a call back, but when I submitted it said that their current call back time is 24 hours.

Did this happen to anyone else? Is there anywhere I can phone to get referred for a test faster?

Try a different gp, if your not registered at a gp you can just call anyone. Im assuming your not registered wink wink

drunkmonkey

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

That's absolutely bull**** how responsibility lies with the person with the condition. What about their family who can catch covid and bring it home?

Again that's the responsibility of their close family. You have to take personal responsibility as with everything in life. You can't depend on other people as we witness every day.
Don't misunderstand that and think I'm advocating killing people, it's just a realistic view of the world, at risk people don't need to be told it's up to them they already know it and are taking the necessary precautions.

drunkmonkey

Hurrache wrote: »

Fingers in your ears, again.

Keep on trolling, welcome to my ignore list your in good company.

smellyoldboot

MadYaker wrote: »

Paul Reid from the HSE reckons this adds up to about a third of the population.

And the assumption by idiots like inebriated primate is that the other 66% of society can just get on with unfettered while leaving these "undesirables" to fend for themselves. None of whom of course have any children, grandchildren, spouses, siblings or hold employment positions important to our society and economy in this idiotic fantasy world.

Roger_007

landofthetree wrote: »

What if a vaccine doesnt arrive in 2021 or even 2022?

What then?

I've supported the measures/lockdown so far but if our only exit strategy is wait for a vaccine it will eventually lead to major unrest.

No government in the western world can keep lockdown going for years.

There is far too much emphasis on a vaccine being only months away. We have no guarantee of that. No vaccine has ever been successfully developed for any coronavirus.
Even if some kind of vaccine is put on the market in the short term, it could not be guaranteed to be safe because it takes many years to prove that a vaccine is both safe and effective. This is because new vaccines can have long term side effects which don’t become obvious immediately. There is also the probability of manufacturing defects in the early stages of mass production.
If a vaccine became available tomorrow, I would not be rushing out to get it.

What Username Guidelines

drunkmonkey wrote: »

High risk groups
The list of people in high risk groups includes people who:

• are over 60 years of age
• have a learning disability
• have a lung condition that's not severe (such as asthma, COPD, emphysema or bronchitis)
• have heart disease (such as heart failure)
• have high blood pressure (hypertension)
• have diabetes
• have chronic kidney disease
• have liver disease (such as hepatitis)
• have a medical condition that can affect your breathing
• have cancer
• have clinically stable cystic fibrosis
• have a weak immune system (immunosuppressed)
• have cerebrovascular disease
• have a condition affecting your brain or nerves (such as Parkinson's disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis, or cerebral palsy)
• have a problem with your spleen or have had your spleen removed
• have a condition that means you have a high risk of getting infections (such as HIV, lupus or scleroderma)
• are taking medicine that can affect your immune system (such as low doses of steroids)
• have obesity
• are residents of nursing homes and other long-stay settings
• are in specialist disability care and are over 50 years of age or have an underlying health problem.

Subtract all of those people from the total population and you're talking about 60% of people left, maybe even less. Assuming you can even shield successfully, which is utterly impossible. What does that do?

Jim_Hodge

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Subtract all of those people from the total population and you're talking about 60% of people left, maybe even less. Assuming you can even shield successfully, which is utterly impossible. What does that do?

And image every person over 60 giving up work and being told that's it lads, life as you knew it is over.

Longing

A deal with a German lab to create “surge capacity” to carry out up to 2,000 additional Covid-19 tests a day. If required. So it looks like we will be waiting on numbers from Germany once again. This will make cases more sporadic when they start coming back.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/struggling-hse-agrees-deal-with-german-lab-to-boost-covid-19-testing-capacity-1.4359975

titan18

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

And image every person over 60 giving up work and being told that's it lads, life as you knew it is over.

You'd be losing a feckload of teachers, doctors etc with that too. What's the plan then, cram more kids into the other classes?

podgeandrodge

Deleted User wrote: »

The masks have been removed for social gatherings in restaurants, gastropubs and mothers' coffee shop meetings where, unimpressed by the space required to place full meals, they huddle more closely as they exchange chat. I've been observing it a lot. These (particularly middle-class) mums have just come from leaving the kids at school and catching up on the latest, typically in groups of 3/4. That is just one seemingly innocent way that it could have been spreading.

Sure. But wasn't this happening a fair bit before the masks were brought in so why the sudden upsurge from August?