Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Polar101

Paddygreen wrote: »

Those bog monkeys outside the M50 are just going to go into an alcoholic stupor as they spread the virus in dark corners of pubs that smell slightly like wee with grubby barren that look like Barry Cowan.

I'm outside the M50, but all the pubs are closed. I feel like I'm missing out on something spectacular now.

Widdensushi

eagle eye wrote: »

Have we any proof yet that immunity lasts more than three months for those who have had the virus?

Sweden seems to be doing well, without masks etc, it must be 6 months since many of their people got covid

petes

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Considering this talk about herd immunity, I gave my reasons to why it's not a good reason.

Please don't ignore what's happening in the world with this virus because it's hasn't happened here just yet. There's still no end in sight and can very much happen here.

Are you actually going to answer the question that poster posed to you? Twice!

Plumbthedepths

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Considering this talk about herd immunity, I gave my reasons to why it's not a good reason.

Please don't ignore what's happening in the world with this virus because it's hasn't happened here just yet. There's still no end in sight and can very much happen here.

So still unable to answer the question . Prehaps it would be better just to ignore you and the nonsense you post.

Paddygreen

Polar101 wrote: »

I'm outside the M50, but all the pubs are closed. I feel like I'm missing out on something spectacular now.

People inside the m50 are less likely go on a booze tour of neighboring counties.

DangerScouse

drunkmonkey wrote: »

High risk groups
The list of people in high risk groups includes people who:

• are over 60 years of age
• have a learning disability
• have a lung condition that's not severe (such as asthma, COPD, emphysema or bronchitis)
• have heart disease (such as heart failure)
• have high blood pressure (hypertension)
• have diabetes
• have chronic kidney disease
• have liver disease (such as hepatitis)
• have a medical condition that can affect your breathing
• have cancer
• have clinically stable cystic fibrosis
• have a weak immune system (immunosuppressed)
• have cerebrovascular disease
• have a condition affecting your brain or nerves (such as Parkinson's disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis, or cerebral palsy)
• have a problem with your spleen or have had your spleen removed
• have a condition that means you have a high risk of getting infections (such as HIV, lupus or scleroderma)
• are taking medicine that can affect your immune system (such as low doses of steroids)
• have obesity
• are residents of nursing homes and other long-stay settings
• are in specialist disability care and are over 50 years of age or have an underlying health problem.

I have none of the above yet the virus floored me for the guts of two weeks and i mean can't get out of bed, hard to walk up the stairs floored. It then took me about another 2 months to be able to walk my dog for more than 30 minutes at my usual pace. I've only in the last few weeks began running and getting back to my usual self 100%. Okay i more than likely got a high viral load of the virus but still you don't want this thing in your life believe me it's no joke.

People who think "im young and fit so i'll be grand" will be right 99% of the time but there are some who will not be grand and may suffer complications that they don't envisage.

Oranage2

Prospect of early beers?

Blondini

Oranage2 wrote: »

Prospect of early beers?

I'd say the bog monkeys have had a few early beers already with their reopened pubs..

Away With The Fairies

petes wrote: »

Are you actually going to answer the question that poster posed to you? Twice!

I cannot get over how people refuse to see what this virus can do and just dismiss the seriousness of it.

ACitizenErased

Paddygreen wrote: »

People inside the m50 are less likely go on a booze tour of neighboring counties.

I’d love to be able to afford to do that, must be a lot of money up there

ACitizenErased

Cringe

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1308014248593891328?s=21

wellwhynot

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/05/29/italian-teen-receives-double-lung-transplant-after-his-lungs-are-burnt-out-from-the-coronavirus/

That looks like an excellent source!

tigger123

You'd expect those supporting herd immunity would be hanging around ICU wards, actively trying to get the coronavirus, just to get themselves immune so they can then go do whatever they want.

If its the way forward, those brave souls should lead the charge head long into the virus and then let us know how they're getting on.

hotmail.com

All the restrictions, hardly any foreign travel, mask usage mandatory, pubs either closed or heavily restricted and then what happens.. cases rising rapidly anyway.

Away With The Fairies

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I cannot get over how people refuse to see what this virus can do and just dismiss the seriousness of it.

Its called perspective. People get sick all the time, people die all the time, and its not always Covid. Respect the virus, but live with it

AdamD

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

This from Sky News about a vaccine.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-only-one-in-10-to-be-protected-from-covid-19-in-first-year-of-vaccine-use-12072473

This is referencing 1 in 10 globally. Ultimately, even if its unfair, we are far far higher up the list of countries in line to get a vaccine. The EU has ordered hundreds of millions of doses from several different candidates. If there's a vaccine in 2021, we'll get it. Poor countries unfortunately will not.

Jim_Hodge

Hospital figures starting to show an increase

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0921/1166526-coronavirus-ireland/

Plumbthedepths

tigger123 wrote: »

You'd expect those supporting herd immunity would be hanging around ICU wards, actively trying to get the coronavirus, just to get themselves immune so they can then go do whatever they want.

If its the way forward, those brave souls should lead the charge head long into the virus and then let us know how they're getting on.

I've seen some ridiculous posts from people that hold a myriad of differing opinion but congratulations your comment to-date is by far the most stupid I have read here.

Loafing Oaf

ChikiChiki wrote: »

See a therapist. Unhinged.

No

Theboinkmaster

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I cannot get over how people refuse to see what this virus can do and just dismiss the seriousness of it.

I think most people can see how serious it can be for some, but the majority it does not impact significantly

It makes no sense to lock down 95% of the population who it does not seriously impact, to protect the other 5%.

Need to protect the vulnerable and crack on - lockdowns will kill a lot more than the actual virus.

We locked the country down in March and now where are we? Pretty much back where we were....

petes

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I cannot get over how people refuse to see what this virus can do and just dismiss the seriousness of it.

I can't get over how you can't answer a simple question?

Widdensushi

Oranage2 wrote: »

Prospect of early beers?

I miss those early beers

eagle eye

Another lockdown is coming, it looks unavoidable at this stage I think.

hotmail.com

Younger people don't see the virus as serious because from day 1 the government made it clear that it only really affects older people and people with underlying health issues.

The government is to blame regarding the attitude of some people towards the virus.

GooglePlus

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’d trust Trump before I’d trust Sky News, to be honest

So you'd trust Trump over a study carried out by the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI), a board of scientists and vaccine investors that would be at the forefront of discussions on the Covid vaccine rollout?

Did you even bother reading into the article or were you just happy to shut it down as it didn't fit your narrative, as usual?

D.Q

eagle eye wrote: »

Another lockdown is coming, it looks unavoidable at this stage I think.

Organising a zoom quiz for next Friday. Giddy with anticipation

GooglePlus

AdamD wrote: »

This is referencing 1 in 10 globally. Ultimately, even if its unfair, we are far far higher up the list of countries in line to get a vaccine. The EU has ordered hundreds of millions of doses from several different candidates. If there's a vaccine in 2021, we'll get it. Poor countries unfortunately will not.

You're missing the point. We might have ordered, but the production lines won't handle such vast amounts of demand. Regardless of the order locked in, we won't get it all in one go.

Away With The Fairies

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I think most people can see how serious it can be for some, but the majority it does not impact significantly

It makes no sense to lock down 95% of the population who it does not seriously impact, to protect the other 5%.

Need to protect the vulnerable and crack on - lockdowns will kill a lot more than the actual virus.

We locked the country down in March and now where are we? Pretty much back where we were....

We were not talking about lockdowns. We were talking about herd immunity.

Theboinkmaster

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We were not talking about lockdowns. We were talking about herd immunity.

Do you disagree with anything I've said? I'm talking about COVID-19.

spookwoman

ixoy wrote: »

Nobody wants to take on the incredible inefficiency in the HSE. It'd require likely a lot of lay offs to start with as part of a structural reform and nobody can stomach that battle as the HSE would grind to a halt. At best a plan could be put in place to not re-fill some bureaucratic posts as retirements and so on come up but that'll take a long time.

Need someone with a backbone to take it on and clean it out. There is a serious problem with too many pencil pushers and not enough front line staff.

Hurrache

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

We locked the country down in March and now where are we?

You tell us

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

lockdowns will kill a lot more than the actual virus.

How many died because of the lockdown in comparison with the virus, must be at least 2,000?

Hector Savage

Deleted User wrote: »

One the vulnerable and healthcare workers are vaccinated, the approach will definitely be to let it ride

You think once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated, they will remove quarantines ?
My thinking is the restrictions are mainly so hospitals won't collapse, if the above is done then it's unlikely they will be overwhelmed - so in theory no real need for restrictions ...

Hurrache

hotmail.com wrote: »

Younger people don't see the virus as serious because from day 1 the government made it clear that it only really affects older people and people with underlying health issues.

The government is to blame regarding the attitude of some people towards the virus.

Can't blame our government, or any, as the virus was new and little was known about it, and even know there's so many unknowns.

eagle eye

Hector Savage wrote:

You think once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated, they will remove quarantines ? My thinking is the restrictions are mainly so hospitals won't collapse, if the above is done then it's unlikely they will be overwhelmed - so in theory no real need for restrictions ...

This is exactly what's going on. They don't care so long as the hospitals can handle it. We are heading to a situation where that won't be possible in maybe a months time.

DangerScouse

hotmail.com wrote: »

Younger people don't see the virus as serious because from day 1 the government made it clear that it only really affects older people and people with underlying health issues.

The government is to blame regarding the attitude of some people towards the virus.

Nah personal responsibility seems to have gone out the window for a lot of people. You see it all around you in society even well before the virus was on our doorsteps.

eagle eye

Hurrache wrote:

Can't blame our government, or any, as the virus was new and little was known about it, and even know there's so many unknowns.

Well when you look at New Zealand and how well they've done under a great leader then you can look at your own government and blame them

Wingman2010

Widdensushi wrote: »

I miss those early beers

We all do. I think they may have got to the source of the leak.

AdamD

GooglePlus wrote: »

You're missing the point. We might have ordered, but the production lines won't handle such vast amounts of demand. Regardless of the order locked in, we won't get it all in one go.

I'm not, I'm saying its going to hit the poorer nations.

screamer

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I've seen some ridiculous posts from people that hold a myriad of differing opinion but congratulations your comment to-date is by far the most stupid I have read here.

We must be reading a different thread then, because there are far more stupid, bordering on conspiracy theory posts on this thread than that. Every day same old s****e out of them..... I think it’s not a bad idea, put your money where your mouth is, bet not a single one of them would chance it, but here people who follow guidelines and advise are berated daily...

screamer

Wingman2010 wrote: »

We all do. I think they may have got to the source of the leak.

Pubs open soon, be plenty of Extra beers going around in another while.....

mandrake04

eagle eye wrote: »

Well when you look at New Zealand and how well they've done under a great leader then you can look at your own government and blame them

Shhh Don't mention NZ, people on here don't want hear that sort of stuff.

podgeandrodge

I think if there were a hypothetical referendum on "lockdown" or "let it rip/watch yourself if you're vulnerable/social distancing/hand washing by everyone", the latter would win. Regardless of threat to health service or deaths being front loaded.

That's what I think. Not making a moral judgement.

spookwoman

Hurrache wrote: »

Can't blame our government, or any, as the virus was new and little was known about it, and even know there's so many unknowns.

If it's an unknown you either say we don't know or don't say anything at all.
Look how they handled the face masks at the start, basically lied because of a shortage of PPE and they didn't want people using them.

GooglePlus

AdamD wrote: »

I'm not, I'm saying its going to hit the poorer nations.

The study, which was carried out by the driving force behind eventual manufacture, has said that only 2 billion doses can be distributed per year. That's two doses for 1 billion people, as the vaccine requires two vials of injection.

Even if you remove the poorest countries in the world, we are still going to be affected by this bottleneck.

drunkmonkey

eagle eye wrote: »

This is exactly what's going on. They don't care so long as the hospitals can handle it. We are heading to a situation where that won't be possible in maybe a months time.

This time last year we had 10,000 people on trolleys, now we have 200 people on trolleys with another 700,000 waiting to get in.
The hospitals haven't coped in a long time, Covid or no Covid.

Hurrache

eagle eye wrote: »

Well when you look at New Zealand and how well they've done under a great leader then you can look at your own government and blame them

Again, nothing to do with the government, you know the reasons why, and the differences between Ireland and New Zealand.

Plumbthedepths

mandrake04 wrote: »

Shhh Don't mention NZ, people on here don't want hear that sort of stuff.

An island thousands of miles from its nearest neighbour with just one government. That sums up NZ.

ACitizenErased

Heard today that the increase in Cork numbers are related to a workplace cluster in Wilton and a nursing home on the northside of the city

Hurrache

spookwoman wrote: »

If it's an unknown you either say we don't know or don't say anything at all.

Ok everyone, see with all those things we don't know yet? Time to burn our masks, no bother with restrictions, and you can go back to having snotty fingers again. No point in doing anything until we have all the answers.
See you on the other side.

ACitizenErased

spookwoman wrote: »

If it's an unknown you either say we don't know or don't say anything at all.
Look how they handled the face masks at the start, basically lied because of a shortage of PPE and they didn't want people using them.

You think they lied about face masks? I thought this wasn’t a conspiracy thread