Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

ACitizenErased

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

From the dashboard, I see that ICU cases are down 1 to 16 this morning (1 discharge). I'm not sure why Paul Reid was tweeting about 19 ICU cases last night.

I don’t think it reached 19 at any point yesterday tbh

MerlinSouthDub

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don’t think it reached 19 at any point yesterday tbh

Agreed - it was 17 at 6.30 pm and 16 at 11.00 this morning.

GT89

OscarMIlde wrote: »

A 24 year old cousin of someone I know endes up in ICU in a coma due to covid 19 earlier this year. He was apparently very fit, used to run regularly. No known underlying conditions. Granted his is a rare case, but some young people are struck very hard by this.

Notwithstanding that, anyone over 70 is at very high risk from this, and that is not an old age. My mother is in her 70s, is regularly digging up her allotment and swims and cycles. There are many like her who have a decade or two at least of life yet who could be seriously affected by covid 19. I cannot get over the absolute selfish gall of people who think congregating in pubs and the freedom to not wear a mask is more important than the lives of a significant proportion of our population.

We are not living in a police state. We can see friends as long as we are cautious to limit how many at once and how we meet. Shops, restaurants, and pubs are open, we just can't have quite the level of fun and abandonment in them as we did before this. We can get on a bus or train and head to the shopping centre or town, as long as you properly wear a mask.

If everyone used the freedoms we had responsibly there would be no need for lockdowns like Dublin.

But if people took responsibility for their own health they wouldn't get covid. You can't get covid if you stay in your home so for me it's very simple stay at home and stop whinging about large groups of people out and about without masks/social distancing.

Let people make their own decisions like adults not treat us like misbehaving school children. If people want to put themselves at risk that's entirely their own prerogative. But if you want to avoid catching it there are way. If there's a big group of people without masks/social distancing turn around and walk/drive away simple. If there's too many on a bus/train and some not wearing masks get off at the next stop. Simple really.

If people took more responsibility for themselves and stopped complaining about the actions of others there won't need to be another lockdown.

mandrake04

Hector Savage wrote: »

Yeah Melbourne cops are what we should look up to.

little SS thugs going around beating teenage girls up for not wearing a mask, kicking down people's door and aresting them (one of them a pregnant woman) for daring to express an anti lockdown sentiment on social media.

But the majority of Victorians support the cops in those actions, normal people are sick to the back teeth of retards.

What Username Guidelines

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Don’t even bother, it’s like talking to the wall.
If they don’t like what they see = “the study is flawed” “herd immunity, cant be true”
All we hear is but but but but. Not worth it.

Not worth having a discussion on a discussion forum when people have different opinions, eh?

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don’t think it reached 19 at any point yesterday tbh

It didn't reach 19 at any of the reporting points, which is just a point in time, but why reject what the man in charge of the HSE is publishing?

Ficheall

GT89 wrote: »

But if people took responsibility for their own health they wouldn't get covid. You can't get covid if you stay in your home so for me it's very simple stay at home and stop whinging about large groups of people out and about without masks/social distancing.

Let people make their own decisions like adults not treat us like misbehaving school children. If people want to put themselves at risk that's entirely their own prerogative. But if you want to avoid catching it there are way. If there's a big group of people without masks/social distancing turn around and walk/drive away simple. If there's too many on a bus/train and some not wearing masks get off at the next stop. Simple really.

If people took more responsibility for themselves and stopped complaining about the actions of others there won't need to be another lockdown.

The more selfish f*ckwits there are though, the more difficult it is to avoid them.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

You're right, I should have thrown a few fictional characters in to make my opinion more valid.

Who makes up fictional characters Boggles? If you are going to make accusations you'd be better off just coming right out and say it rather than using snide insinuations

TonyMaloney

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Latest epidemic graph from the CEBM for Spain:



And England:


https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/epidemic-curves-organised-by-reporting-date-and-specimen-date/

I'm not saying that article is incorrect, but it makes no mention of the following - which seems important.
You can see the same happen with our epi based cases charts

https://twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/1250392825201557504?s=20

ACitizenErased

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Not worth having a discussion on a discussion forum when people have different opinions, eh?



It didn't reach 19 at any of the reporting points, which is just a point in time, but why reject what the man in charge of the HSE is publishing?

He posted it an hour before the report came out. It didn’t drop from 19 to 17 at 10pm at night, with 0 deaths.

ACitizenErased

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who makes up fictional characters Boggles? If you are going to make accusations you'd be better off just coming right out and say it rather than using snide insinuations

If someone posts an anecdote that doesn’t fit a certain narrative, it’s a lie. Kinda how things work around here.

stephenjmcd

Dublin South still below national average. Dublin North West still topping the Dublin charts
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1308369120400941056?s=19

What Username Guidelines

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Not worth having a discussion on a discussion forum when people have different opinions, eh?



It didn't reach 19 at any of the reporting points, which is just a point in time, but why reject what the man in charge of the HSE is publishing?

Can't say I would trust as gospel what Paul Reid says.

He has been known during this pandemic to stretch the truth before or fudge certain statistics.

In this case I doubt he would want to but it is right to question. I don't think he has much medical background tbh.

Ficheall

ACitizenErased wrote: »

If someone posts an anecdote that doesn’t fit a certain narrative, it’s a lie. Kinda how things work around here.

I presume you're not going to claim that isn't the case from both sides.

GT89

Ficheall wrote: »

The more selfish f*ckwits there are though, the more difficult it is to avoid them.

Stay at home and you won't come across them

BringBackMick

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Dublin South still below national average. Dublin North West still topping the Dublin charts
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1308369120400941056?s=19

People in Dublin South are largely working from home with and will all have a personal vehicle

Similar trend in Madrid, as always the working classes take the brunt

is_that_so

Ficheall wrote: »

The more selfish f*ckwits there are though, the more difficult it is to avoid them.

Really not that hard if you plan your activity to avoid them. Most people, this cohort included, are still having a go at distancing.

Ficheall

GT89 wrote: »

Stay at home and you won't come across them

That is true.


However, some people need to go to the shops (delivery is not available everywhere, and not for everything), the dentist and the doctor. Those are the three that would force me to leave the house from time to time. There are undoubtedly other examples for other people.

Icantthinkof1

Ficheall wrote: »

That is true.


However, some people need to go to the shops (delivery is not available everywhere, and not for everything), the dentist and the doctor. Those are the three that would force me to leave the house from time to time. There are undoubtedly other examples for other people.

Work

GT89

Ficheall wrote: »

That is true.


However, some people need to go to the shops (delivery is not available everywhere, and not for everything), the dentist and the doctor. Those are the three that would force me to leave the house from time to time. There are undoubtedly other examples for other people.

Go when the shop is quiet such as in the evening. Most doctors surgeries wil allow you wait in your car until it's your turn to see them.

GT89

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Work

No one forcing anyone to work

Hector Savage

Hector Savage wrote: »

Indeed some, but we need to look at the big picture here, Guardian are just jumping at anything the big bad orange bufoon says ... they need to give it a rest.

The US would be in the same position whoever was president.

Nope

Icantthinkof1

GT89 wrote: »

No one forcing anyone to work

Really?! So we should all just pack it in so and go on the dole?

caveat emptor

Bojo coming out saying the restrictions just announced will likely last 6 months!
That's terrible for them but hopefully it works.

https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1308376769934880769?s=20

CalamariFritti

UK determined to make the wrong calls wherever possible.

rovers_runner

Icu will be at capacity within 2 weeks.
No deal forthcoming with private hospitals, are the Govt starting the poor mouth today in the lead up to the eventual bail out by private hospitals?

I found it hard to find this icu capacity information last week but in the last 24hrs it's everywhere.
In the 20s in terms of free beds at the moment. Won't be long till level 5.

ACitizenErased

96fm radio in Cork just reported a care home outbreak in Montenotte and at least 1 case in Penneys, Wilton

iamwhoiam

rovers_runner wrote: »

Icu will be at capacity within 2 weeks.
No deal forthcoming with private hospitals, are the Govt starting the poor mouth today in the lead up to the eventual bail out by private hospitals?

I found it hard to find this icu capacity information last week but in the last 24hrs it's everywhere.
In the 20s in terms of free beds at the moment. Won't be long till level 5.

I heard an interview on the radio about a month ago and the HSE have a deal with the private hospitals
They will take over the hospitals again if the need capacity

Roger_007

caveat emptor wrote: »

Bojo coming out saying the restrictions just announced will likely last 6 months!
That's terrible for them but hopefully it works.

https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1308376769934880769?s=20

These same restrictions have been in place for almost 3 months in Leicester and have made little difference.
The two chief expert advisers were wheeled out yesterday to scare the bejasus out of the population so that the announcement today wouldn’t seem too onerous.
There was one sinister hint that the military could be used to “help the police”. Things are getting serious over there.

DangerScouse

caveat emptor wrote: »

Bojo coming out saying the restrictions just announced will likely last 6 months!
That's terrible for them but hopefully it works.

https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1308376769934880769?s=20

Now that's real leadership. Being honest with people and let them be adults is half the battle.

Oranage2

ACitizenErased wrote: »

96fm radio in Cork just reported a care home outbreak in Montenotte and at least 1 case in Penneys, Wilton

#Lockdown Cork

ACitizenErased

The “new” UK guidelines look exactly like ours, except they’re about 3 months late

DangerScouse

rovers_runner wrote: »

Icu will be at capacity within 2 weeks.
No deal forthcoming with private hospitals, are the Govt starting the poor mouth today in the lead up to the eventual bail out by private hospitals?

I found it hard to find this icu capacity information last week but in the last 24hrs it's everywhere.
In the 20s in terms of free beds at the moment. Won't be long till level 5.

I had forecast ICU's to be full by mid October. If it's two weeks time we really face a catastrophe situation

2ndcoming

GT89 wrote: »

Stay at home and you won't come across them

Really, this is a ridiculous argument.

Why should ordinary people doing their best to get on with their lives be the ones to suffer because a few jinits who watched too many Youtube videos think they know better than the entire world's health professionals.

Get a grip.

landofthetree

CalamariFritti wrote: »

UK determined to make the wrong calls wherever possible.

Every country in Europe bar Sweden will be doing the same for the next 6 months.

landofthetree

DangerScouse wrote: »

I had forecast ICU's to be full by mid October. If it's two weeks time we really face a catastrophe situation

Exactly. People think x number in ICU seems small. But they forget that ICU has to deal with other illnesses as well.

It's a full lockdown from Oct to March coming up.

rovers_runner

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I heard an interview on the radio about a month ago and the HSE have a deal with the private hospitals
They will take over the hospitals again if the need capacity

They were playing hard ball at that stage, can't find and details about a definite agreement.
Think they are in a panic now as they are going to be at a stage where its needed overnight and they dont have an arrangement.

Pablo Escobar

Oranage2 wrote: »

#Lockdown Cork

Cork is still near the bottom of the charts despite a few big days. A few more though and it might look different. I think it’s inevitable that most places will lockdown again thought tbh.

ixoy

landofthetree wrote: »

It's a full lockdown from Oct to March coming up.

You think the whole country is going to Level 5? Or do you mean Level 3?

Call me Al

Has the HSE released information on the age profile of those currently being hospitalised/in ICU?

Plumbthedepths

ixoy wrote: »

You think the whole country is going to Level 5? Or do you mean Level 3?

Level 3.14573?

rovers_runner

DangerScouse wrote: »

I had forecast ICU's to be full by mid October. If it's two weeks time we really face a catastrophe situation

At the end of the day this is what a 3rd World health system leaves you with,choices who lives and dies or the begging bowl to private enterprise to help.

We weren't being cautious for the sake of being smart, hse and Govt know there is a point where icu capacity and Govt finances go off a cliff and we aren't far away from there again for a second time this year.

hetuzozaho

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

Cork is still near the bottom of the charts despite a few big days. A few more though and it might look different. I think it’s inevitable that most places will lockdown again thought tbh.

Yeah I feel this too. I'm I just being over pessimistic?!

Like it seems silly that Cork is planning pints with the lads all day this weekend with a nice early start United game to kick the day off.

I really don't see the pubs lasting long.

Deeper Blue

landofthetree wrote: »

It's a full lockdown from Oct to March coming up.

When the virus was running rampant in early March and had spread to God knows how many people there was a lockdown for about 2 months.

Considering the amount of testing we're doing now as well as what we know about the virus why in God's name would we need a lockdown 3 times as long this time?

caveat emptor

Roger_007 wrote: »

These same restrictions have been in place for almost 3 months in Leicester and have made little difference.
The two chief expert advisers were wheeled out yesterday to scare the bejasus out of the population so that the announcement today wouldn’t seem too onerous.
There was one sinister hint that the military could be used to “help the police”. Things are getting serious over there.

One person isn't happy. Wonder if it'll be enough to contain it. Their test and trace has fallen over.

https://twitter.com/PeterGrayo13/status/1308376150591377408?s=20

D.Q

El Sueño wrote: »

When the virus was running rampant in early March and had spread to God knows how many people there was a lockdown for about 2 months.

Considering the amount of testing we're doing now as well as what we know about the virus why in God's name would we need a lockdown 3 times as long this time?

Because people use this thread for hysterical venting and projection.

MerlinSouthDub

rovers_runner wrote: »

At the end of the day this is what a 3rd World health system leaves you with,choices who lives and dies or the begging bowl to private enterprise to help.

We weren't being cautious for the sake of being smart, hse and Govt know there is a point where icu capacity and Govt finances go off a cliff and we aren't far away from there again for a second time this year.

3rd world health system? Ireland has the 16th highest life expectancy in the world, and we have improved dramatically over the last 20 years. There's a lot of spoofing about our health system on here, based on various anecdotes and dodgy stats. The only way to properly measure it is outcomes. Our health system delivers good outcomes by any international standard. There is, of course, plenty of room for improvement.

DangerScouse

landofthetree wrote: »

Exactly. People think x number in ICU seems small. But they forget that ICU has to deal with other illnesses as well.

It's a full lockdown from Oct to March coming up.

Yeah looks increasingly that way. I had hoped people in general would hold the line but it looks like many have just given in.

rovers_runner

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

3rd world health system? Ireland has the 16th highest life expectancy in the world, and we have improved dramatically over the last 20 years. There's a lot of spoofing about our health system on here, based on various anecdotes and dodgy stats. The only way to properly measure it is outcomes. Our health system delivers good outcomes by any international standard. There is, of course, plenty of room for improvement.

I'm not for one minute critical of the workers in the hospitals or care centres, they are the ones who deliver the care and results.
The problem is with planning and resources and decisions on where to allocate funding.

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Déjà Vu

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We threw everything we had at this virus last spring/ summer. We’ve little left now, and it’s now that the surge is going to come. A tough lockdown may be needed, but we cannot afford it, we couldn’t afford it back in spring either tbh. So, stock up your PPE, sanitizer etc.