Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

rovers_runner

DangerScouse wrote: »

I had forecast ICU's to be full by mid October. If it's two weeks time we really face a catastrophe situation

At the end of the day this is what a 3rd World health system leaves you with,choices who lives and dies or the begging bowl to private enterprise to help.

We weren't being cautious for the sake of being smart, hse and Govt know there is a point where icu capacity and Govt finances go off a cliff and we aren't far away from there again for a second time this year.

hetuzozaho

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

Cork is still near the bottom of the charts despite a few big days. A few more though and it might look different. I think it’s inevitable that most places will lockdown again thought tbh.

Yeah I feel this too. I'm I just being over pessimistic?!

Like it seems silly that Cork is planning pints with the lads all day this weekend with a nice early start United game to kick the day off.

I really don't see the pubs lasting long.

Deeper Blue

landofthetree wrote: »

It's a full lockdown from Oct to March coming up.

When the virus was running rampant in early March and had spread to God knows how many people there was a lockdown for about 2 months.

Considering the amount of testing we're doing now as well as what we know about the virus why in God's name would we need a lockdown 3 times as long this time?

caveat emptor

Roger_007 wrote: »

These same restrictions have been in place for almost 3 months in Leicester and have made little difference.
The two chief expert advisers were wheeled out yesterday to scare the bejasus out of the population so that the announcement today wouldn’t seem too onerous.
There was one sinister hint that the military could be used to “help the police”. Things are getting serious over there.

One person isn't happy. Wonder if it'll be enough to contain it. Their test and trace has fallen over.

https://twitter.com/PeterGrayo13/status/1308376150591377408?s=20

D.Q

El Sueño wrote: »

When the virus was running rampant in early March and had spread to God knows how many people there was a lockdown for about 2 months.

Considering the amount of testing we're doing now as well as what we know about the virus why in God's name would we need a lockdown 3 times as long this time?

Because people use this thread for hysterical venting and projection.

MerlinSouthDub

rovers_runner wrote: »

At the end of the day this is what a 3rd World health system leaves you with,choices who lives and dies or the begging bowl to private enterprise to help.

We weren't being cautious for the sake of being smart, hse and Govt know there is a point where icu capacity and Govt finances go off a cliff and we aren't far away from there again for a second time this year.

3rd world health system? Ireland has the 16th highest life expectancy in the world, and we have improved dramatically over the last 20 years. There's a lot of spoofing about our health system on here, based on various anecdotes and dodgy stats. The only way to properly measure it is outcomes. Our health system delivers good outcomes by any international standard. There is, of course, plenty of room for improvement.

DangerScouse

landofthetree wrote: »

Exactly. People think x number in ICU seems small. But they forget that ICU has to deal with other illnesses as well.

It's a full lockdown from Oct to March coming up.

Yeah looks increasingly that way. I had hoped people in general would hold the line but it looks like many have just given in.

rovers_runner

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

3rd world health system? Ireland has the 16th highest life expectancy in the world, and we have improved dramatically over the last 20 years. There's a lot of spoofing about our health system on here, based on various anecdotes and dodgy stats. The only way to properly measure it is outcomes. Our health system delivers good outcomes by any international standard. There is, of course, plenty of room for improvement.

I'm not for one minute critical of the workers in the hospitals or care centres, they are the ones who deliver the care and results.
The problem is with planning and resources and decisions on where to allocate funding.

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Déjà Vu

screamer

We threw everything we had at this virus last spring/ summer. We’ve little left now, and it’s now that the surge is going to come. A tough lockdown may be needed, but we cannot afford it, we couldn’t afford it back in spring either tbh. So, stock up your PPE, sanitizer etc.

Widdensushi

There is no full lockdown coming, stop Scaremongering, there are less than twenty in icu with covid, there are other options to increase icu capacity if it was needed, lockdown is a long way down the list

Hawthorn Tree

what does lockdown even mean anymore

is_that_so

D.Q wrote: »

Because people use this thread for hysterical venting and projection.

People use this thread because they are human and they respond in human ways, a bit like this post really!

rovers_runner

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

what does lockdown even mean anymore

For everyday life that's enough, everything is a haze now.
When sport, music, arts and travel are not available to all to play/watch then everything else is meh.

Work/food/transport/utilities etc will happen regardless of level 1-5

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Widdensushi wrote: »

There is no full lockdown coming, stop Scaremongering, there are less than twenty in icu with covid, there are other options to increase icu capacity if it was needed, lockdown is a long way down the list

You must be in denial. How long did it take our ICU figures to get to the numbers they are at now and what does past experience tell us about what way they will go, if cases continue to rise (which they will under current measures).

You're doing yourself an injustice by not allowing another lockdown be a possibility in your head.

Irish Steve

Roger_007 wrote: »

These same restrictions have been in place for almost 3 months in Leicester and have made little difference.
The two chief expert advisers were wheeled out yesterday to scare the bejasus out of the population so that the announcement today wouldn’t seem too onerous.
There was one sinister hint that the military could be used to “help the police”. Things are getting serious over there.

A few minutes later he went on to add a comment that wasn't meant (I hope) to be taken so literally, said that if necessary, they would use stronger "firepower" to overcome Covid.

It was clear he meant using total lockdown as a stronger control strategy, but we can be very sure that there will be plenty of people who will interpret that as using the military in a more substantive manner.

is_that_so

GooglePlus wrote: »

You must be in denial. How long did it take our ICU figures to get to the numbers they are at now and what does past experience tell us about what way they will go, if cases continue to rise (which they will under current measures).

You're doing yourself an injustice by not allowing another lockdown be a possibility in your head.

It's plan ZZ and to be avoided at all costs. We really will need to get to a very bad place for it to happen. 1000 cases a day would probably be the threshold.

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is_that_so wrote: »

It's plan ZZ and to be avoided at all costs. We really will need to get to a very bad place for it to happen. 1000 cases a day would probably be the threshold.

I think it should be higher than 1000 cases per day and should really be based on ICU figures anyway.

Increased testing will see us near 1000 but it can't be compared to the 1000 seen earlier in the year.

MerlinSouthDub

rovers_runner wrote: »

I'm not for one minute critical of the workers in the hospitals or care centres, they are the ones who deliver the care and results.
The problem is with planning and resources and decisions on where to allocate funding.

Agree that it is the workers who deliver. But that's true of any healthcare system. Have you ever been to a 3rd world country? Try it sometime. What we have in Ireland is not perfect but it is orders of magnitude better, safer, and more effective than the vast majority of countries in the world.

Piehead

Seems to be a number of schools with positive tests. Heard of one primary in SoCoDu today......

is_that_so

GooglePlus wrote: »

I think it should be higher than 1000 cases per day and should really be based on ICU figures anyway.

Increased testing will see us near 1000 but it can't be compared to the 1000 seen earlier in the year.

Sure, it's a case of a mindset that is now different. Less panic about seemingly large numbers. 1000 cases a day will deliver a lot more ICU patients even if it's at a slower rate.

celt262

Piehead wrote: »

Seems to be a number of schools with positive tests. Heard of one primary in SoCoDu today......

and....

firemansam4

rovers_runner wrote:

At the end of the day this is what a 3rd World health system leaves you with,choices who lives and dies or the begging bowl to private enterprise to help.

We do not have a 3rd World health system!
I was listening to a nurse on local radio last year who came back from doing voluntary work in Africa, and she was lambasting people who claimed this, and how people really don't realise the vast difference in our health systems here compared to actual 3rd world countries.
Yes sure we do have many problems with it, but it's not a 3rs world health system in any way.

is_that_so

Piehead wrote: »

Seems to be a number of schools with positive tests. Heard of one primary in SoCoDu today......

Last check there were about 100 schools affected so a handful more is not alarming nor even unexpected.

GeorgeBailey

Piehead wrote: »

Seems to be a number of schools with positive tests. Heard of one primary in SoCoDu today......

There's nothing unusual or unexpected in that. What we don't want to see (but will sooner rather than later imo) would be an outbreak related to a school.

De Danann

Is there any data to show what settings the cases are being found in? Apologies if this has been asked and answered before, I'm on mobile and can't search the forum.

Dublin North West has (as of 20th Sept) gone over 200 for its 14 day incidence rate. Is there a particular reason why? Is it the large shopping centre out in Blanchardstown or is there an outbreak in a business or something?

DebDynamite

Piehead wrote: »

Seems to be a number of schools with positive tests. Heard of one primary in SoCoDu today......

Is it a cluster? If not, it’s hardly news that a child tested positive in the most infected county with such a high population.

is_that_so

De Danann wrote: »

Is there any data to show what settings the cases are being found in? Apologies if this has been asked and answered before, I'm on mobile and can't search the forum.

Dublin North West has (as of 20th Sept) gone over 200 for its 14 day incidence rate. Is there a particular reason why? Is it the large shopping centre out in Blanchardstown or is there an outbreak in a business or something?

Social settings mainly - communions, parties, other gatherings etc. - like other places.

2ndcoming

Piehead wrote: »

Seems to be a number of schools with positive tests. Heard of one primary in SoCoDu today......

There will be tons of them.

As most young kids seem to be asymptomatic, and are the only cohort of society encouraged to remain in one room for most of the day mask free while also being the least likely to respect or understand social distancing, by the time one case is established you more than likely already have multiple cases in the class or possibly school at large.

This was what happened in one primary school in Kildare which is now closed for the moment. But it will 100% happen again. The only hope is that these outbreaks don't get out into the community or worse still to their older relatives.

De Danann

is_that_so wrote: »

Social settings mainly - communions, parties, other gatherings etc. - like other places.

But why has Dublin NW skyrocketed so much compared to other areas in Dublin?