Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

drunkmonkey

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Visitors being restricted from Monday at Dublin nursing homes

Not sure if you watched that piece from the spectator, to shield the nursing homes we should be moving the staff in for the next 8 weeks, i.e they go live there.
The current health of who's left in the nursing homes needs to be looked at as well, if there's low hanging fruit they'll fall.

Eod100

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0911/1164537-nphet-recommendations/

Benimar

227 positive swabs on 13,073 tests - 1.74% positivity rate.

spookwoman

pc7 wrote: »

Any figure for swabs yet?

24hr results on hub
227 positives out of 13,073 tests.
% still at 3.6%
% positive for week gone up by .2% to 1.7%

stephenjmcd

spookwoman wrote: »

Crap
53 hospitalised now, was at 48 (Hub) Yesterday and 51 on the HSE report at 22pm + last night

Fluctuating daily, prefer to wait until HSE report to see state of play at the end of the day.

Was over 50 yesterday morning at one point at ended up at 51 last night.
We had 47 this time last week so growth isn't as rapid as it was the week before thankfully despite a few weeks of high numbers of cases

drunkmonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

The list of people questioning the notion that thousands more are at risk of dieing in ireland over the next 12 months of covid is growing:


Dr. Alan Farrell
Professor Carl Hennigan
Leo Varadkar- tweeted little serious disease in Europe despite months into second wave
Ivor Cummins
Ferriter- Irish Times journalist

If increases in cases is not causing serious illness what do you suggest to do? Pretend they are causing serious illness as they were in March. Nobody disputes what happened in march april may was a serious situation. This is not the same now and the penny is beginning to drop with some. If we tested for other coronaviruses we would find lots too.

There's a lot of politicans questioning it as well, you may add the chair of the covid response committee to that list, if anyone has listened to all the experts it's him.

stephenjmcd

Benimar wrote: »

227 positive swabs on 13,073 tests - 1.74% positivity rate.

Swabs v cases pretty close so. Very little backlog then to catch up on tomorrow

wadacrack

College seems a very tough one to manage. Students who will be invariably socializing together and in classes etc.Their is very little chance they will have the discipline to social distance etc especially students in their first year and who are still teenagers. Then going home at weekends to different parts of the country

owlbethere

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Wonder what has happened in Dublin now. All along so far Dublin didn't really register as a major hotspot. Higher numbers than elsewhere proportionate to population alright, but now?

Baffled as to what is causing this spike in positive cases. Anyway hope those testing positive don't need a hospital admission.

Must be worrying for the hospitals though. Is there any good news out there please!

Dublin was a hotspot in the first wave of this. People who are holding out hope that the worst has passed us and a sizeable portion of the population have already been exposed are clutching at straws. Dublin is a hotspot again with cases climbing there. It goes to show that we haven't been highly exposed to the degree that some people are sprouting.

spookwoman

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Fluctuating daily, prefer to wait until HSE report to see state of play at the end of the day.

Was over 50 yesterday morning at one point at ended up at 51 last night.
We had 47 this time last week so growth isn't as rapid as it was the week before.

HSE report is slowly increasing each day. Lets hope the increase stays low.

Oranage2

The game is up, a lockdown is imminent, get the toilet paper in early.

drunkmonkey

owlbethere wrote: »

Dublin was a hotspot in the first wave of this. People who are holding out hope that the worst has passed us and a sizeable portion of the population have already been exposed are clutching at straws. Dublin is a hotspot again with cases climbing there. It goes to show that we haven't been highly exposed to the degree that some people are sprouting.

Maybe we were but lost immunity due to restrictions and lockdown. This spread like wildfire and probably started in December.

dashoonage

how long are we looking for test results these days ? 48hrs?

stephenjmcd

spookwoman wrote: »

HSE report is slowly increasing each day. Lets hope the increase stays low.

There isn't much change this week though. Very stable compared to the 2 weeks previously.
Like i said 47 at 8pm last Friday night. See tonight what way it compares.

We also had 2 days of a decrease of 1 or 2 , a small amount but better than an increase day on day.

owlbethere

owlbethere wrote: »

Dublin was a hotspot in the first wave of this. People who are holding out hope that the worst has passed us and a sizeable portion of the population have already been exposed are clutching at straws. Dublin is a hotspot again with cases climbing there. It goes to show that we haven't been highly exposed to the degree that some people are sprouting.

And yet icu admissions are still tiny despite months of thousands of cases.

Less than 1% of current icu patients have covid.

Eod100

wowzer wrote: »

227 positives from 13,073 tests

Thanks a lot. Don't suppose you know county breakdown by any chance?

Hurrache

owlbethere wrote: »

What is the situation with collages? Are collages due to return?

Jaysus I hope not, I've always thought it was a ****ty art form, even kids going to creche bring them home. There's no skill involved.

wadacrack

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Maybe we were but lost immunity due to restrictions and lockdown. This spread like wildfire and probably started in December.

Would stop listening to so much theories. I'd imagine the majority of new cases have not been previously infected as their have been no cases of re-infection

Renjit

Oranage2 wrote: »

The game is up, a lockdown is imminent, get the toilet paper in early.

I am traveling for vacation in Oct :pac:

Van.Bosch

Hurrache wrote: »

Jaysus I hope not, I've always thought it was a ****ty art form, even kids going to creche bring them home. There's no skill involved.

It’s subjective, I used to love a good collage

ACitizenErased

The 53 is at 8am. That will change by today. Majority of discharges occur after 2pm.

Oranage2

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The 53 is at 8am. That will change by today. Majority of discharges occur after 2pm.

We heard it first people, epidemic is over, everyone will be fine by 2pm

manofwisdom

spookwoman wrote: »

Crap
53 hospitalised now, was at 48 (Hub) Yesterday and 51 on the HSE report at 22pm + last night

22pm on a lousy Smarch day.

JDD

Should the government come out and specifically ask the churches not to schedule christenings, communions and confirmations for the next three months in Dublin and Limerick? If you let the ceremonies go ahead, there's a higher chance someone will flout the rules and will have family over to their house.

Perversely, you might have elderly parents or relatives who would feel more comfortable in a house setting with their children and grandchildren than meeting those some children and grandchildren in a restaurant, with lots of other people there. I think that's why there's a lot more "at home" celebrations.

And perhaps they could specifically ask not to have birthday parties in the home?

Don't make it punishable by death or anything, but if MM came out on a podium, before the evening news, and said we are asking this - we know it's a big ask, we're not to bring in regulations, we're going to ask a mature population to do it.

There will of course be people who flout the rules no matter what the government says. But there's be sizeable number who would feel shamed into cancelling celebrations when the government are being that specific. Surely that would help?

penelope2012

Thanks

yourdeadwright wrote: »

210 Today
121 Dublin

ixoy

owlbethere wrote: »

Dublin was a hotspot in the first wave of this. People who are holding out hope that the worst has passed us

It's not unreasonable to assume the worst has passed us at all.

and a sizeable portion of the population have already been exposed are clutching at straws.

That, I'd agree with. Immunity, as measured in a recent survey, is far higher than the number of recorded cases and still a small fraction of the population - nothing sufficient for complete complacency.

drunkmonkey

JDD wrote: »

Should the government come out and specifically ask the churches not to schedule christenings, communions and confirmations for the next three months in Dublin and Limerick? If you let the ceremonies go ahead, there's a higher chance someone will flout the rules and will have family over to their house.

Perversely, you might have elderly parents or relatives who would feel more comfortable in a house setting with their children and grandchildren than meeting those some children and grandchildren in a restaurant, with lots of other people there. I think that's why there's a lot more "at home" celebrations.

And perhaps they could specifically ask not to have birthday parties in the home?

Don't make it punishable by death or anything, but if MM came out on a podium, before the evening news, and said we are asking this - we know it's a big ask, we're not to bring in regulations, we're going to ask a mature population to do it.

There will of course be people who flout the rules no matter what the government says. But there's be sizeable number who would feel shamed into cancelling celebrations when the government are being that specific. Surely that would help?

They'll have some cheek, will probably be 10,000 plus people protesting in Dublin tomorrow I think. Both the left and right are protesting one for more restrictions and the other for less, should make for some good afternoon commentary...

growleaves

ixoy wrote: »

It's not unreasonable to assume the worst has passed us at all

Yes, unless we are treating a hypothetical second wave as more real than events which have actually taken place.

blowitupref

wowzer wrote: »

227 positives from 13,073 tests

Well that gives a better explanation for 210 cases to be confirmed later on

70791 tests carried out in the last 7 days. That must be the highest testing weekly figure so far?

Roots 2020

Arghus wrote: »

I'm stunned by the poor quality of that article, usually what Ferriter has to say is balanced and knowledgable.

That piece is an absolute mess.

"Why didn't we have 20,000 deaths" - that was based on a prediction of uncontrolled transmission with no containment measures. He's an intelligent man, how can he not put two and two together?

"Why the changing guidelines on masks? " - has he been asleep for the last six months?

"Sweden has had no restrictions" - Yes, they have.

He even talks up the insight of "Nobel Laureate" Michael Levitt - I really couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that.

There's more than that too.

He raises the odd good point about some of the contradictions of NPHET's advice and his central argument that authority should always be subject to scrutiny is totally valid, but his scattergun approach to just throwing out badly misinformed questions or completely out of date debate points is not the way to make a convincing argument.


I like Ferriter a lot as a historian and I always find him to be an engaging and perceptive speaker when I hear him talk, but, what a car crash of an opinion piece - I actually think a good lot of us on here are more clued in and informed about what he is writing about than he is. For real.

I find it worrying in its implications for the standard of future public debate that one of Ireland's most prominent public intellectuals is putting his name to such a shapeless mish mash of hot takes.

I don't think Ferriter should be commenting on the pandemic in such a prominent way. A historian is not an epidemiologist in the same way a carpenter isn't a plumber.

a student of history myself and Diarmuid Ferriter is an excellent historian. But, as is typical of RTE, he has a monopoly on modern Irish history contributions to programmes. There are many equally as good historians who don't get a look in. That's true of cookery programmes, house renovations etc with RTE. Though at least in these scenarios they are working in their field of expertise.