University cancels professor over use of word

kenmm

Errashareesh wrote: »

Someone I went to college with - staunchly socialist and feminist - is even saying it (particularly in relation to how today's feminists are actually anything but) so maybe there's something in it.

Absolutely no doubt about it, there is a problem with this extreme outrage behaviour. I wouldn't call it 'the modern left' tho and I also think these threads are almost just as bad. All the outrage in reverse.


Ignoring this bs instead of adding to it might be better (and yes, I am violation my own advice here because I too am joining in).

suicide_circus

I dont think anyone who is not a parody account would defend this

jammiedodgers

What a bunch of naggers

TomTomTim

kenmm wrote: »

Absolutely no doubt about it, there is a problem with this extreme outrage behaviour. I wouldn't call it 'the modern left' tho and I also think these threads are almost just as bad. All the outrage in reverse.


Ignoring this bs instead of adding to it might be better (and yes, I am violation my own advice here because I too am joining in).

Go on, tell us what group are the guilty then. You're using all the cheap tactics in the book so far. Reacting to nonsense is not equivalent to the initial nonsense. It's also been shown time and time again that ignoring these types does nothing to temper their behavior.

kenmm

kenmm wrote: »

Absolutely no doubt about it, there is a problem with this extreme outrage behaviour. I wouldn't call it 'the modern left' tho and I also think these threads are almost just as bad. All the outrage in reverse.


Ignoring this bs instead of adding to it might be better (and yes, I am violation my own advice here because I too am joining in).

Except, ignoring it, doesn't work. That's been shown the case, with the spread of Feminist/SJW/PC culture throughout American academia, and into student bodies over the course of 40 years. People dismissed this crap as the ideas of extremists, and it's managed to work it's way into many levels of society, and spread beyond America's borders.

It's like all the articles that are around which claim that women have been disproportionately affected by covid, and that's a sign that feminists need more support to change society to favor women more... it's utterly ridiculous, and has been ignored by most, but that just gives the impression that it's an acceptable claim to make, and therefore it spreads/is reprinted.

Ignoring behavior such as this, gives permission for it to continue, because it removes support for those who need to defend against it..

Although, I agree. I wouldn't consider it to be "the left" in a political sense, but it is the modern left from a social change sense.

conorhal

Deleted User wrote: »

Except, ignoring it, doesn't work. That's been shown the case, with the spread of Feminist/SJW/PC culture throughout American academia, and into student bodies over the course of 40 years. People dismissed this crap as the ideas of extremists, and it's managed to work it's way into many levels of society, and spread beyond America's borders.

It's like all the articles that are around which claim that women have been disproportionately affected by covid, and that's a sign that feminists need more support to change society to favor women more... it's utterly ridiculous, and has been ignored by most, but that just gives the impression that it's an acceptable claim to make, and therefore it spreads/is reprinted.

Ignoring behavior such as this, gives permission for it to continue, because it removes support for those who need to defend against it..

Although, I agree. I wouldn't consider it to be "the left" in a political sense, but it is the modern left from a social change sense.

Exactly, you're just being told by the 'cancel culture doesn't exist!' crowd to 'lie down croppy, lie down' and quietly accept the purge that's coming for you. Certiantly don't draw any attention to the bad actors behind the curtian and the fact that malicious ideologues are quietly strangling all opposition to their ideological takeover of society.


This stuff needs to be called out, loudly, to ensure that all the normies are aware of just how Orwellian society has become before it's too late.

kenmm

TomTomTim wrote: »

Go on, tell us what group are the guilty then. You're using all the cheap tactics in the book so far. Reacting to nonsense is not equivalent to the initial nonsense. It's also been shown time and time again that ignoring these types does nothing to temper their behavior.

Cheap tactics? Its a lot of silliness ultimately.

RE what group are guilty - fu(k knows - bunch of morons if you ask me - they may even identify as the left, but that doesn't mean to say the left are responsible.

whisky_galore

Let me guess, did it happen in Merica?

Yes it did...nothing in that continent sized lunatic asylum surprises me anymore.

kenmm

Deleted User wrote: »

Except, ignoring it, doesn't work.

...

Ignoring behavior such as this, gives permission for it to continue, because it removes support for those who need to defend against it..

Although, I agree. I wouldn't consider it to be "the left" in a political sense, but it is the modern left from a social change sense.

All right - fair enough about not ignoring it - call the bull**** for what it is - some people tho seem to enjoy it tho.

However, I would prefer that we try not to further define the divide in terms of polarised left vs right - it appears everywhere and it just contributes to the madness.

kenmm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Let me guess, did it happen in Merica?

Yes it did...nothing in that continent sized lunatic asylum surprises me anymore.

But its being imported here - slowly but surely... and arguments amongst ourselves over how we label this crap is only more fuel to it.

Danzy

kenmm wrote: »

Cheap tactics? Its a lot of silliness ultimately.

RE what group are guilty - fu(k knows - bunch of morons if you ask me - they may even identify as the left, but that doesn't mean to say the left are responsible.

They are nearly all of the left and the left do not call them out or challenge them.

It may be an injustice but if it is it is the modern left who have allowed themselves to be portrayed that way.

I think it is accurate, the left has changed beyond all recognition over the last 20 years.

I'd say like many of the people here I always voted left and was very active politically in a party.

conorhal

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Are the students who complained really dense or what? Did they not know the course they had signed up to and were they not listening to the lecture he was giving? If they were following along then they would have understood what he had just said.

There must be some seriously stupid people getting into courses in USC.

You're assuming stupidity when malice is probably the cause....


I'm willing to bet you that the complainant is a failing student playing the race card as a desperate Hail Mary pass to ensure they get a passing grade as a result of the 'horrendous racial abuse' that they suffered at the hands of this professor.

Sardonicat

At this rate, certain Irish verbs will have to be cancelled from the school curriculum because of their similarities to English words for adult pass times .

kenmm

Danzy wrote: »

They are nearly all of the left and the left do not call them out or challenge them.

But that is clearly not true - in nearly every thread like this, bollocks such as this story, is pretty much universally condemned.


EDIT - then of course, by continually lumping and generalising lunacy like this as "The Left" - the definition does of course change to the point where no one would be wanting to associate with it. Despite there being a lot of good things someone on the left may want or agree with.

Rodney Bathgate

There is always a few gobsh1tes on here who will defend / deflect / downplay crap like this. Seeing them in action is hilarious.

kenmm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

There is always a few gobsh1tes on here who will defend / deflect / downplay crap like this. Seeing them in action is hilarious.

Who?

Rodney Bathgate

kenmm wrote: »

Who?

Read the thread, hard to miss them.

Pkiernan

We should be thankful that the Far Left is starting to eat itself!

whisky_galore

kenmm wrote: »

But its being imported here - slowly but surely... and arguments amongst ourselves over how we label this crap is only more fuel to it.

Yes there's dopes here who will ape anything that happens in the States, have noticed the "plandemic" graffiti around the place already.

kenmm

kenmm wrote: »

All right - fair enough about not ignoring it - call the bull**** for what it is - some people tho seem to enjoy it tho.

Why shouldn't they enjoy it? We have all experienced the PC culture that sought to shutdown debate, and it continues to this day. Thankfully, the tide is turning with more people standing up to the crowd of people, who want to assume some superior moral position, and suggest strongly that their views are more important than others.

I enjoy it.

I typically live in a country (China) which has strong censorship of expression that goes against the "accepted" view of life. It bothers me that I've seen a rise of similar censorship in the west on topics such as immigration, equality, race, etc. So, I do enjoy calling it out for what it is, because I don't want that kind of environment in western nations.

However, I would prefer that we try not to further define the divide in terms of polarised left vs right - it appears everywhere and it just contributes to the madness.

Left and right were always strongly divided. The problem is the decline of the center, since both the left/right sought to push people from the center into one or the other camps, as a way of dismissing their views.

And honestly, I'd say that those on the left have done the lions share of it, with the those on the right slowly catching up... but we should be encouraging the allowance of people to be in the center, having views regarding positions of the left/right, while not belong to either side.

[The left had a very long period with the movement of PC culture to shut down anything who disagreed with them, as being on the right. PC culture typically supporting leftist ideas than those of the right]

Also.. notice I made the distinction previously between the political left and the left for social change. They're not necessarily the same thing. Same with the right.

whisky_galore

whisky_galore wrote: »

Yes there's dopes here who will ape anything that happens in the States, have noticed the "plandemic" graffiti around the place already.

It's not just "dopes". There's money to be made with such movements. Writing papers, publishing books, giving speeches, doing interviews, etc. There's a lot of money to be made by representing one of these groups...

mcmoustache

suicide_circus wrote: »

I dont think anyone who is not a parody account would defend this

There is no defending this and down-playing it is missing the point.


The lecturer should not have been affected in any way and the student or students should have been told to cop the fcuk on.


What happened is absurd. This is one of the many forms of bullshít that I hope stays in the US and never makes its way over here.

Danzy

mcmoustache wrote: »

There is no defending this and down-playing it is missing the point.


The lecturer should not have been affected in any way and the student or students should have been told to cop the fcuk on.


What happened is absurd. This is one of the many forms of bullshít that I hope stays in the US and never makes its way over here.

It's already starting here.

TomTomTim

mcmoustache wrote: »

What happened is absurd. This is one of the many forms of bullshít that I hope stays in the US and never makes its way over here.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the George Floyd incident was treated like it happened in most European countries the way many reacted to it. We're well past the point of hoping this stuff doesn't end up on our isles.

mcgragger

Hunky Monster wrote: »

...that sounded like the N-word...in Chinese...because...?

Full article from the BBC linked.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54107329

Start of article.



“Has ignited a debate”... what sort of absolute gobshyte thinks there’s a debate to be had around this?

This world is a ****ing horrible place:(

Mr. Karate

Hunky Monster wrote: »

...that sounded like the N-word...in Chinese...because...?

Full article from the BBC linked.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54107329

Start of article.



“Has ignited a debate”... what sort of absolute gobshyte thinks there’s a debate to be had around this?

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

It's already starting here.

What is?

Doc07

Danzy wrote: »

It's already starting here.

I’m not sure we are quite there yet and hopefully we can avoid it. I’m glad the culture is changing so that actual racism/discrimination/bullying etc will be called out and acted on but I haven’t seen nonsense like this in Irish academia.
For example I give lectures few times a year to two Irish Universities. A couple of years ago a student made a complaint about how I used the phrase ‘3rd world’ in a lecture. (I clearly meant no offence and it was until recently commonly used but I accept it’s a bit outdated and generally replaced now with ‘developing’ or low index country etc)
I was informed by the college but faced no reprimand so I just acknowledged it at the next opportunity in front of the class. The class would be reasonably diverse as Irish university classes go in terms of many countries represented.
Nobody put it on twitter/facebook/whatever and there was no fuss really.

So maybe it’s a sign of the times but the overall reaction was fine really.

kenmm

Doc07 wrote: »

I’m not sure we are quite there yet and hopefully we can avoid it. I’m glad the culture is changing so that actual racism/discrimination/bullying etc will be called out and acted on but I haven’t seen nonsense like this in Irish academia.
For example I give lectures few times a year to two Irish Universities. A couple of years ago a student made a complaint about how I used the phrase ‘3rd world’ in a lecture. (I clearly meant no offence and it was until recently commonly used but I accept it’s a bit outdated and generally replaced now with ‘developing’ or low index country etc)
I was informed by the college but faced no reprimand so I just acknowledged it at the next opportunity in front of the class. The class would be reasonably diverse as Irish university classes go in terms of many countries represented.
Nobody put it on twitter/facebook/whatever and there was no fuss really.

So maybe it’s a sign of the times but the overall reaction was fine really.

You monster!

Ye seriously, hopefully some sense of common sense prevails.

mcmoustache

Danzy wrote: »

It's already starting here.

There has been bits of it around for years but it's mostly confined to the fringes, particularly in universities. Sometimes, bits of it get some prominence but they fade away after a bit.

mcmoustache

TomTomTim wrote: »

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the George Floyd incident was treated like it happened in most European countries the way many reacted to it. We're well past the point of hoping this stuff doesn't end up on our isles.

That was a bit irresponsible at the time. It wasn't that clear that outdoor gatherings were ok back then. Still, it was only around 5000 of them which is small enough. That's a far cry from what happened to this professor.

Jimbob1977

"It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words!"

Doc07

Doc07 wrote: »

I’m not sure we are quite there yet and hopefully we can avoid it. I’m glad the culture is changing so that actual racism/discrimination/bullying etc will be called out and acted on but I haven’t seen nonsense like this in Irish academia.

It's not really here in Irish Academia, except for a few 'minority' professors who make questionable tweets or papers. Student bodies don't have as much influence in Ireland as in the US, so there's less pressure on the Administration to accept their pushes. All the same though, there is some of it in regards to feminism, although that's mixed with genuine need for reform.

It's more common in the media, than in the universities. Opinion pieces come up quite often with SJW sentiments.

For example I give lectures few times a year to two Irish Universities. A couple of years ago a student made a complaint about how I used the phrase ‘3rd world’ in a lecture. (I clearly meant no offence and it was until recently commonly used but I accept it’s a bit outdated and generally replaced now with ‘developing’ or low index country etc)

I've done the same, and wasn't called out for using the term "2nd/3rd world", simply because it is still a relatively valid term depending on the context. Sometimes simplicity is best in some lectures, using the phrases that people actually instinctively understand .

So maybe it’s a sign of the times but the overall reaction was fine really.

And hopefully it stays that way. I don't really expect it to gain any solid support in Ireland for a while, because we don't [yet] have the population of minorities or "victim groups" to demand that kind of recognition. All the same, it entirely depends on how migrant groups increase, and the official behavior towards them.

The sad part of most migration from poorer nations is that migrants don't have comparable education/skills to succeed in a 1st world nation, and so end up on the lower rungs in the economy, which encourages a sense of discrimination, even when there's no actual discrimination involved. As that bitterness over being on the lower income brackets increase, we'll see more public sentiment from virtue groups seeking to champion their "rights".

James Brown

Context is key. I find there's as much if not more backlash then actual issues. The wanting to be outraged at the alleged permanently outraged.

SEPT 23 1989

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Except, ignoring it, doesn't work. That's been shown the case, with the spread of Feminist/SJW/PC culture throughout American academia, and into student bodies over the course of 40 years. People dismissed this crap as the ideas of extremists, and it's managed to work it's way into many levels of society, and spread beyond America's borders.

It's like all the articles that are around which claim that women have been disproportionately affected by covid, and that's a sign that feminists need more support to change society to favor women more... it's utterly ridiculous, and has been ignored by most, but that just gives the impression that it's an acceptable claim to make, and therefore it spreads/is reprinted.

Ignoring behavior such as this, gives permission for it to continue, because it removes support for those who need to defend against it..

Although, I agree. I wouldn't consider it to be "the left" in a political sense, but it is the modern left from a social change sense.

they want a violent reaction so then they can play the victim as usual

Thankfully the other side are not falling for that bait

TheBlackPill

Doc07 wrote: »

I’m not sure we are quite there yet and hopefully we can avoid it. I’m glad the culture is changing so that actual racism/discrimination/bullying etc will be called out and acted on but I haven’t seen nonsense like this in Irish academia.
For example I give lectures few times a year to two Irish Universities. A couple of years ago a student made a complaint about how I used the phrase ‘3rd world’ in a lecture. (I clearly meant no offence and it was until recently commonly used but I accept it’s a bit outdated and generally replaced now with ‘developing’ or low index country etc)
I was informed by the college but faced no reprimand so I just acknowledged it at the next opportunity in front of the class. The class would be reasonably diverse as Irish university classes go in terms of many countries represented.
Nobody put it on twitter/facebook/whatever and there was no fuss really.

So maybe it’s a sign of the times but the overall reaction was fine really.

Would the complainee be from a 3rd world country where the majority ethnic group treats others like absolute dirt by any chance?

Yellow_Fern

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not really here in Irish Academia, except for a few 'minority' professors who make questionable tweets or papers. Student bodies don't have as much influence in Ireland as in the US, so there's less pressure on the Administration to accept their pushes. All the same though, there is some of it in regards to feminism, although that's mixed with genuine need for reform.

It is not as bad but there is all sort of crazies. UCD student union banned coke on campus for a decade or so due to some alleged links to militias. They also forced out a president for the crime of being prolife.

mikhail

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

It is not as bad but there is all sort of crazies. UCD student union banned coke on campus for a decade or so due to some alleged links to militias. They also forced out a president for the crime of being prolife.

Nice editorial slant there.

Coke is still banned by the student union there since a referendum around 15 years ago, as are Nestle products since the mid-nineties. The Nestle thing was about giving free samples of baby formula to women in developing countries for just long enough for their breast milk to dry up. The Coke thing was about two workers' union reps at a bottling plant in Colombia being murdered. I'm not a fan of the tactics nor the open-ended nature of the bans, but they weren't exactly over trifling things.

The forced out a Student Union President who was elected promising her pro-life views would have no impact on her duties, and who promptly blocked the routine publication of abortion information in the annual freshers’ magazine. Whatever someone's political beliefs, "Politician breaks campaign promise, is recalled", should be welcome outside of dictatorships.

RandomName2

Hunky Monster wrote: »

“Has ignited a debate”... what sort of absolute gobshyte thinks there’s a debate to be had around this?

American universities are absolute shít; overprices enclaves with more attention devoted to commercial sports than intellectualism. Universities are supposed to be about the robust exchange of ideas, but this has been substituted with an ambition to 'look good'.

How do you look good? By building massive stadia, lazy rivers, and doing your level best to appear woke. The average student live in cramped dormitories, is burdened with incredible debt, and their mental well being is of little concern, but those don't generate publicity so American colleges don't give a f*ck. Meanwhile academics themselves are subject to the whims of an overblown administration that has absolute say on their intellectual freedom, and ultimately, careers.

RandomName2

mikhail wrote: »

Coke is still banned by the student union there since a referendum around 15 years ago, as are Nestle products since the mid-nineties. [..] The Coke thing was about two workers' union reps at a bottling plant in Colombia being murdered. I'm not a fan of the tactics nor the open-ended nature of the bans, but they weren't exactly over trifling things.

It's been a good while since I was in UCD, but I think your information is no longer correct. From what I understand there was another referendum on coke sale in UCD, where the majority of students voted in favor of coke being sold again. UCD subsequently banned the sale of carbonated sugary drinks in order to look progressive however.

Oh you’re talking about Coca Cola.

Yellow_Fern

mikhail wrote: »

Nice editorial slant there.

Coke is still banned by the student union there since a referendum around 15 years ago, as are Nestle products since the mid-nineties. The Nestle thing was about giving free samples of baby formula to women in developing countries for just long enough for their breast milk to dry up. The Coke thing was about two workers' union reps at a bottling plant in Colombia being murdered. I'm not a fan of the tactics nor the open-ended nature of the bans, but they weren't exactly over trifling things.

mikhail wrote: »

The forced out a Student Union President who was elected promising her pro-life views would have no impact on her duties, and who promptly blocked the routine publication of abortion information in the annual freshers’ magazine. Whatever someone's political beliefs, "Politician breaks campaign promise, is recalled", should be welcome outside of dictatorships.

Potentially illegal information. The lefty radicals get to decide what drinks and music we we are allowed to buy and listen to but conservatives can't even err on the side of the law of the land by not publishing potentially illegal information. Since how long have the conservatives been the fun ones.

Achebe

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

It is not as bad but there is all sort of crazies. UCD student union banned coke on campus for a decade or so due to some alleged links to militias. They also forced out a president for the crime of being prolife.

Alleged? Coke financed paramilitary death squads in Colombia for years. There's little doubt about that.

Yellow_Fern

Achebe wrote: »

Alleged? Coke financed paramilitary death squads in Colombia for years. There's little doubt about that.

Quite a lot of doubt and also it is links with the contracted bottlers, not Coca-Cola. Totally different entities and certainly not the company that would be profiting from Dublin coke.

blanch152

Achebe wrote: »

Alleged? Coke financed paramilitary death squads in Colombia for years. There's little doubt about that.

Quite possible that young naive left-wing students acting silly got their cokes mixed up!!

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

Quite possible that young naive left-wing students acting silly got their cokes mixed up!!

Won't stop them wearing Adidas, or using their iPhone (slave labor).

Junkyard Tom

Bowie wrote: »

Context is key. I find there's as much if not more backlash then actual issues. The wanting to be outraged at the alleged permanently outraged.

The outrage industrial complex.

topper75

Pedro Moldy Sentry wrote: »

What's the N word?

A holy word that you can't speak out loud in case you curse yourself.

Like J-h-v-h.

Gervais08

topper75 wrote: »

A holy word that you can't speak out loud in case you curse yourself.

Like J-h-v-h.

I only said that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah!!!

topper75

Gervais08 wrote: »

I only said that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah!!!

Great scene.

Kind of telling for this context - what happens the guy presiding over the stoning.