General TV License Discussion

obi604

got a few letters lately about the tv license. addressed as 'the occupier'

tv licence man called yesterday and left a card to pay it


I am renting the house.



as the name on these letters is just 'the occupier' is there nay grounds to bring this further, they don't have my actual name etc

Sonics2k

obi604 wrote: »

got a few letters lately about the tv license. addressed as 'the occupier'

tv licence man called yesterday and left a card to pay it


I am renting the house.



as the name on these letters is just 'the occupier' is there nay grounds to bring this further, they don't have my actual name etc

Nope. You're occupying the house. Save the hassle and pay the monthly fee. They've effectively given you the heads up, and the gits will arrange a summons and a fine.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

Sonics2k wrote: »

Nope. You're occupying the house. Save the hassle and pay the monthly fee. They've effectively given you the heads up, and the gits will arrange a summons and a fine.

They can do neither without a name.

punisher5112

If you have a TV pay... If you don't then don't.

obi604

Sonics2k wrote: »

Nope. You're occupying the house. Save the hassle and pay the monthly fee. They've effectively given you the heads up, and the gits will arrange a summons and a fine.

True but I’m sure it will bite me eventually.

I just hate paying this stupid fee. Bills left and right and then this.

Joey321

A friend I worked with years back was renting with four others, TV licence person knocked on the door looking for TV licence, friend gave his name and everything after that was addressed to him, just buy a licence and split the cost if renting with others.

Sonics2k

obi604 wrote: »

True but I’m sure it will bite me eventually.

I just hate paying this stupid fee. Bills left and right and then this.

Yeah it's an absolute pain, they caught me like 4-5 days after I moved into the place last year.

obi604

Sonics2k wrote: »

Yeah it's an absolute pain, they caught me like 4-5 days after I moved into the place last year.

Right. And the thing is I am just the occupier now. Once I pay I am on the system for good.

whisky_galore

Got years of these cards and letters in a former apartment. Without a name or you answering the door and letting them in, they can't do squat I believe. They only seem to call during working hours it seemed when I was naturally absent, I wouldn't have bothered opening doors to unexpected callers anyhow.

StevenToast

Ryan Tubridy and Ray D'arcy get nearly a million euro from RTE a year...

Throw that letter in the bin

3d4life

obi604 wrote: »

Right. And the thing is I am just the occupier now. Once I pay I am on the system for good.

Go to a Post Office and buy one in the name of "The Occupier"

obi604

StevenToast wrote: »

Ryan Tubridy and Ray D'arcy get nearly a million euro from RTE a year...

Throw that letter in the bin

And this is what grates on me and makes me bitter about paying this sh1te

But then I could be open to further crap if I don’t pay.

bobbyy gee

if you have one pay it in the next day or pay bigger fine and also pay a license fee pay at post ofice

obi604

bobbyy gee wrote: »

if you have one pay it in the next day or pay bigger fine and also pay a license fee pay at post ofice

Why pay at post office? (Versus online)

bobbyy gee

$1000 fine

obi604

bobbyy gee wrote: »

$1000 fine

Is this in answer to my question about the post office or what?

obi604

3d4life wrote: »

Go to a Post Office and buy one in the name of "The Occupier"

Will they even allow this or will they want a name?

imme

obi604 wrote: »

got a few letters lately about the tv license. addressed as 'the occupier'

tv licence man called yesterday and left a card to pay it


I am renting the house.



as the name on these letters is just 'the occupier' is there nay grounds to bring this further, they don't have my actual name etc

Grounds to bring this further?

That made me smile, thanks.
Time to pay up OP.

obi604

imme wrote: »

Grounds to bring this further?

That made me smile, thanks.
Time to pay up OP.

Ye wha. Sure they dont have my name. Just ‘the occupier’

s1ippy

Never give your name, feck that.

Don't open the door, they've no way of finding out.

The system is great, long live the system.

Dempo1

obi604 wrote: »

got a few letters lately about the tv license. addressed as 'the occupier'

tv licence man called yesterday and left a card to pay it


I am renting the house.



as the name on these letters is just 'the occupier' is there nay grounds to bring this further, they don't have my actual name etc

OK, I'll share my experience, 20 years ago I bought a house, obviously I've got to know local post master etc, so the fun commenced and not once was my name correct, varying first names from Jill, Jack, John etc, surname was correct, sometimes . I moved abroad working a number of times in the 20 years, back now for about 2 years, now the letters refer to the occupier.

Of course this is completely unacceptable and a summons can not be issued to "the occupier", what's extraordinary is I pay my property tax, was registered for water charges etc, it is just beggers belief the licence authority can't get my name correct. I've naturally returned all letters with incorrect name and any addressed to the "the occupier", makes me sound like a squatter.

I'm not encouraging non payment, just on principle, they need to get my name correct, yes I'm being padentic, but that's my perogative.

With regard to ops query,, whilst you are obliged to pay your TV licence, the authority is equally obliged to have their records correct. Of course one good thing about GDPR, they can't ask your landlord for your personal details but I wondered like other state agencies can they get info From the RTB?, doubtful I suspect.

Anyway, that's their Job and to answer your specific concern, "an occupier" is not a legal entity for the purposes of correspondence or for that matter issuing a bill or paying for a service, its that simple, over to you.

Sir Oxman

Electoral roll would give them your name unless you ticked the box saying you do not want your personal details to be used by third parties.

Thecageyone

Inspector called to us the day we were moving into the new house, caught me off guard; we were carrying furniture in when he arrived. There wasn't even a Tv plugged in yet! We had a licence for the old address and just hadn't gotten around to switching it over. I told him just that [in effect I was admitting I didn't have one for this new address, you live and learn] ... still got a summons in the post [they did have my name on record for the new address so it seems they can when they want to] That day in court it was nothing but other people up for no licence - Judge asked us all in turn did we now have an updated one and one by one he struck them off, took a few seconds per person - he didn't want his time wasted. One girl said she didn't have one because she didn't watch tv, and he struck that one right off without any further question too. I think the courts are fed up to feck with people being put before them over no licence - you pretty much only have to state that you don't watch tv, and they strike it off. They would have to get a search warrant to prove otherwise and they really don't want the hassle. So yeah, I have a licence but only because the kids watch tv, I rarely do and certainly never RTE.

Dempo1

Thecageyone wrote: »

Inspector called to us the day we were moving into the new house, caught me off guard; we were carrying furniture in when he arrived. There wasn't even a Tv plugged in yet! We had a licence for the old address and just hadn't gotten around to switching it over. I told him just that [in effect I was admitting I didn't have one for this new address, you live and learn] ... still got a summons in the post [they did have my name on record for the new address so it seems they can when they want to] That day in court it was nothing but other people up for no licence - Judge asked us all in turn did we now have an updated one and one by one he struck them off, took a few seconds per person - he didn't want his time wasted. One girl said she didn't have one because she didn't watch tv, and he struck that one right off without any further question too. I think the courts are fed up to feck with people being put before them over no licence - you pretty much only have to state that you don't watch tv, and they strike it off. They would have to get a search warrant to prove otherwise and they really don't want the hassle. So yeah, I have a licence but only because the kids watch tv, I rarely do and certainly never RTE.

Just amazes me the priorities of the state, that inspector clearly over stepped the mark, you just having moved in, thankfully most District Court Judges sensible, with social distancing at the moment, it would be a brave and Brazzen license inspector to call on many homes at the moment, especially Dublin.

obi604

Inspector called last day. I was in house and on a call upstairs. Kept bloody ringing whilst I was trying to listen to my call. Then started tapping on the glass part of door with keys. Annoying.

He left a note to say ‘aerial’ seen. And he be back in 15 days.

Let’s see he calls and I answer - what happens?
(If I haven’t bothered getting a license in meantime)

TheRiverman

You seriously couldn't make this up.
It's a pain in the arse to have to do it, but just pay the feckin licence.

_Brian

Haven’t paid licence fee since 1993

You can push it right on until they give you a 28day warning and at that stage the game is up and you’d better get one, but they will have got your name to do that.

imme

_Brian wrote: »

Haven’t paid licence fee since 1993

You can push it right on until they give you a 28day warning and at that stage the game is up and you’d better get one, but they will have got your name to do that.

Are you looking to be complemented. :rolleyes:

If you have a TV you need a licence.
It is an old idea and an old system but it is the law and the system that we have at the moment.


Non payment and having to have inspectors going all over the country are contributary factors to the cost of the TV licence.

sligojoek

Dempo1 wrote: »

Just amazes me the priorities of the state, that inspector clearly over stepped the mark, you just having moved in, thankfully most District Court Judges sensible, with social distancing at the moment, it would be a brave and Brazzen license inspector to call on many homes at the moment, especially Dublin.

There was one in my estaste yesterday. Called to 5 houses. There's an estate behind me that's bigger. He was there for an hour. Driving an old 03 heap o sh1te.

OP, don't buy a licence just yet. Wait till you're "caught". . After that wait till the day before court. Then get a licence. Once the judge sees it you'll be grand.

obi604

sligojoek wrote: »

There was one in my estaste yesterday. Called to 5 houses. There's an estate behind me that's bigger. He was there for an hour. Driving an old 03 heap o sh1te.

OP, don't buy a licence just yet. Wait till you're "caught". . After that wait till the day before court. Then get a licence. Once the judge sees it you'll be grand.

Right. Don’t think I want to go down the court route though.

TheW1zard

Theyll never catch me!!

Dempo1

sligojoek wrote: »

There was one in my estaste yesterday. Called to 5 houses. There's an estate behind me that's bigger. He was there for an hour. Driving an old 03 heap o sh1te.

OP, don't buy a licence just yet. Wait till you're "caught". . After that wait till the day before court. Then get a licence. Once the judge sees it you'll be grand.

Hope the B@€€ox was wearing a mask

Dempo1

TheW1zard wrote: »

Theyll never catch me!!

Based on your user name, will you do a magic dissappearing act

Darc19

Dempo1 wrote: »

Just amazes me the priorities of the state, that inspector clearly over stepped the mark, you just having moved in, thankfully most District Court Judges sensible, with social distancing at the moment, it would be a brave and Brazzen license inspector to call on many homes at the moment, especially Dublin.

I don't believe the story as you can transfer a license and it would have been easy to check the previous address.

A similar story comes up on nearly every TV license thread both here and in the uk right down to a person saying that they don't watch TV and gets it struck out.

I call bs on the post you replied to

punisher5112

bobbyy gee wrote: »

$1000 fine

Wasn't aware we dealt in $....

Oh well, trump or the Chinese will get it in the end.

bobbyy gee

Cheaper to pay licence
Than fine and a licence
166 euros vs 1166 euros

Mr E

Pay the license if you have a TV. You can pay €13.33 a month direct debit, so you don't feel it.

Doctor Jimbob

I moved to my current apartment last year. After moving in there were multiple letters addressed to the previous tenants, then to the occupier. They all went in the bin. I don't think I've received any letters since January. I'd say don't pay until you get one in your own name.

Dempo1

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I moved to my current apartment last year. After moving in there were multiple letters addressed to the previous tenants, then to the occupier. They all went in the bin. I don't think I've received any letters since January. I'd say don't pay until you get one in your own name.

My point exactly, I've no issue paying the licence fee albeit it sickens me subsidising the absolute crap on RTE and Virgin, but as I've raised earlier, if a state body can't be bothered to get a residents details correct, why would anyone pay this fee, its just absurd. Perhaps they think vast amounts of Squatters reside in properties throughout the country "Ocuppier" my A#€E, just laziness & incompetence.

Donald Trump

StevenToast wrote: »

Ryan Tubridy and Ray D'arcy get nearly a million euro from RTE a year...

Throw that letter in the bin

Buy a licence in the Post Office in Tubridy's name for your address. Show them that if/when they call back



Then, at the end of the term, transfer the address on the licence to Tubridy's own house. So that all further reminders are sent directly to him.



:pac:

yenom

Get the 4 euro stamps down the post office. They are the job.

Darc19

sligojoek wrote: »

There was one in my estaste yesterday. Called to 5 houses. There's an estate behind me that's bigger. He was there for an hour. Driving an old 03 heap o sh1te.

OP, don't buy a licence just yet. Wait till you're "caught". . After that wait till the day before court. Then get a licence. Once the judge sees it you'll be grand.

More rubbish.

Did you follow him? And detail all his moves?

You do know that they know what homes have licenses and what don't?

So they don't drive around for an hour just randomly knocking on doors.

Darc19

StevenToast wrote: »

Ryan Tubridy and Ray D'arcy get nearly a million euro from RTE a year...

Throw that letter in the bin

Another myth by the take take take brigade that think everything should be free (until the other people's money runs out)

Both of those presenters are strong net earners for rte. Between sponsorship and advertising their programs earn multiples of their costs.

Biggest cost for rte is live sport esp gaa.

sligojoek

Darc19 wrote: »

More rubbish.

Did you follow him? And detail all his moves?

You do know that they know what homes have licenses and what don't?

So they don't drive around for an hour just randomly knocking on doors.

What part is rubbish? I'm well aware that they know who hasn't a license.

He called to 5 houses out of 20 in my estate. I saw him an hour later leaving the estate behind me.

Donald Trump

Darc19 wrote: »

Another myth by the take take take brigade that think everything should be free (until the other people's money runs out)

Both of those presenters are strong net earners for rte. Between sponsorship and advertising their programs earn multiples of their costs.

Biggest cost for rte is live sport esp gaa.

Good for you. You tell em Ray!

Thecageyone

Dempo1 wrote: »

Just amazes me the priorities of the state, that inspector clearly over stepped the mark, you just having moved in, thankfully most District Court Judges sensible, with social distancing at the moment, it would be a brave and Brazzen license inspector to call on many homes at the moment, especially Dublin.

Yeah, it felt like a trap, like they were checking who'd just moved for them to pounce. I wouldn't have been so polite only I was shifting furniture with a guy who'd offered to help, didn't want to cause a scene, the inspector was actually well mannered and dare I say even 'friendly' - course it was an act he'd already had the summons applied for I'd say.

whisky_galore

imme wrote: »

If you have a TV you need a licence.
It is an old idea and an old system but it is the law and the system that we have at the moment.
.

*looks at current RTE offerrings*

"Fûck that."

Thecageyone

whisky_galore wrote: »

*looks at current RTE offerrings*

"Fûck that."

Unfortunately it's not that simple, they say if you can receive tv signal [Sky/BBC/RTE etc] then you have to have a licence. Only if you stream/download from the likes of Netflix or Amazon Prime only, with no connection to any TV broadcast, no aerial or sky dish [or similar satelite for TV] are you exempt

obi604

I’m probably going to pay this shaggin thing. Have no interest in going to court etc.

Is the best option to go to the post office and get it done as ‘the occupier’

whisky_galore

Thecageyone wrote: »

Unfortunately it's not that simple, they say if you can receive tv signal [Sky/BBC/RTE etc] then you have to have a licence. Only if you stream/download from the likes of Netflix or Amazon Prime only, with no connection to any TV broadcast, no aerial or sky dish [or similar satelite for TV] are you exempt

Everyone is well aware of that. You don't have parrot all of it back at me.

horse7

Dempo1 wrote: »

My point exactly, I've no issue paying the licence fee albeit it sickens me subsidising the absolute crap on RTE and Virgin, but as I've raised earlier, if a state body can't be bothered to get a residents details correct, why would anyone pay this fee, its just absurd. Perhaps they think vast amounts of Squatters reside in properties throughout the country "Ocuppier" my A#€E, just laziness & incompetence.

Only Rte stations get the money from the license.