Rushed Covid 19 vaccine

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yes we can very much dismiss theories that have no credible evidence. A common issue on this forum is that posters can't even present or detail their theories in the first place - almost as if they know they are being dishonest.

As for the "elements of truth" - whether it's 5G, or the moon landing hoax, Holocaust denial or whatever, they all have tenuous "elements of truth". Unfortunately the final product is rarely the slightest bit true

I fully agree, discussion is important, disinformation should never have a "safe space".

But there is evidence to suggest that this was planned. There's no proof, but there is evidence. Lockstep describes a pandemic that is practically identical to the present one. As far as I can tell, the only differences between the present pandemic and the one described in Event 201 is the death count. WEF wants to reset the planet. You don't reset the planet for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate. The pandemic ended months ago in the West, but now there's an obsession with cases. The attempts to prolong all of this points to the possibility of something sinister being at play. The destroying of natural instincts, the demise of the human face with the mask, health passports, the head of WHO saying the world can't go back to normal. I would suggest that this was either planned, or is being used to push an agenda. The agenda may be climate change and control.

People can argue against the above, and have on other threads, but I think it's reasonable to argue that it is evidence. Not proof, but evidence.

King Mob

Dionaibh wrote: »

But there is evidence to suggest that this was planned. There's no proof, but there is evidence. Lockstep describes a pandemic that is practically identical to the present one. As far as I can tell, the only differences between the present pandemic and the one described in Event 201 is the death count.

Ok. Why did they do this?
Why do a simulation? Why do one that was exactly like the one we have now?
How did they know what the pandemic now was going to be like? Did they release the virus knowing what would happen? Do they have supernatural precognition?
How did this benefit them?
Why did they then make this information public knowledge?

4068ac1elhodqr

King Mob wrote: »

Cool. If it's a falsehood simply answer this question with a simple yes or no.Do you currently believe that the quantum dot tattoo you are talking about is the "mark of the beast"

A. No^.

It (the Quantum Dot Tattoo) simply (by itself), does not qualify (^in its current, singular form), to meet the 'full outright criteria' of theory of the NOTB = "Embodiment(s) {dual@} that restricts the full access to services, and the purchase of goods" (assuming that's in a universal, outright sense).

Again: the QDT is (currently) only described as both: 'an identifer of the subject (person) and also their medical records including vaccine records'

However, this is where it gets interesting....

Q. Is it a form of DigitalID, and one that could be universally deployed en masse, potentially to billions before e.g. 2030.
A. Yes, absolutely.

Q. Is the QDT someting complimentary to the NOTB concept, can it develop to this.
A. Yes, (if/when partnered) with other (currently existing) technologies {blockchain}, and current in-development fiscal processing platforms {Azure}, it can actually very, very closely meet such a concept. The only debate is in terms of penetration i.e. if it will be universal±, that is factored by time/cost.

± The approaching point in which it's considered a 'cashless society' is met, and where traditional (paper/plastic) forms of ID are by large, rejected. This is a given, the only variable is time (in years), region by region, then globally.

Q. Is it a potential prequel?
A. Yes, it cetainly would be complimentary, or even essential to e.g. the additional seperate Gates patent, that much more closely meets the precise NOTB description, published as Patent WO2020060606 (which also avails of such infrared spectroscopy, to verify DigitalIDs, pre-blockchain), this is a more complex digital product embodiment however.

Q. Could the QDT be used to restrict some access to products and services.
A. Yes, but only (currently) in a localised (e.g. see China), physical (point of purchase) sense, until a future point in time±.

Q. Could the QDT vaccine-combo be located on the hand/wrist or lower forearm {NOTB reference}?
A. Yes, this is feasable. It might also make more sense to do this for read access, and delivery. This issued UnID datamark could be coupled with any/all of the x17 born with metrics for 2-stage (@dual) physical+assigned verification.

// Well at least you've (KobM) finally stopped calling it a bloody microchip, that level of basic technical mis-information was getting ridiculous.

King Mob

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

A. No^.

It (the Quantum Dot Tattoo) simply (by itself), does not qualify (^in its current, singular form), to meet the 'full outright criteria' of theory of the NOTB = "Embodiment(s) {dual@} that restricts the full access to services, and the purchase of goods" (assuming that's in a universal, outright sense).

Again: the QDT is (currently) only described as both: 'an identifer of the subject (person) and also their medical records including vaccine records'

However, this is where it gets interesting....

Q. Is it a form of DigitalID, and one that could be universally deployed en masse, potentially to billions before e.g. 2030.
A. Yes, absolutely.

Q. Is the QDT someting complimentary to the NOTB concept, can it develop to this.
A. Yes, (if/when partnered) with other (currently existing) technologies {blockchain}, and current in-development fiscal processing platforms {Azure}, it can actually very, very closely meet such a concept. The only debate is in terms of penetration i.e. if it will be universal±, that is factored by time/cost.

± The approaching point in which it's considered a 'cashless society' is met, and where traditional (paper/plastic) forms of ID are by large, rejected. This is a given, the only variable is time (in years), region by region, then globally.

Q. Is it a potential prequel?
A. Yes, it cetainly would be complimentary, or even essential to e.g. the additional seperate Gates patent, that much more closely meets the precise NOTB description, published as Patent WO2020060606 (which also avails of such infrared spectroscopy, to verify DigitalIDs, pre-blockchain), this is a more complex digital product embodiment however.

Q. Could the QDT be used to restrict some access to products and services.
A. Yes, but only (currently) in a localised (e.g. see China), physical (point of purchase) sense, until a future point in time±.

Q. Could the QDT vaccine-combo be located on the hand/wrist or lower forearm {NOTB reference}?
A. Yes, this is feasable. It might also make more sense to do this for read access, and delivery. This issued UnID datamark could be coupled with any/all of the x17 born with metrics for 2-stage (@dual) physical+assigned verification.

// Well at least you've (KobM) finally stopped calling it a bloody microchip, that level of basic technical mis-information was getting ridiculous.

And all of this is just deflecting waffle because you can't give a direct answer to a straight yes or no question.
You are being very evasive and dishonest about your beliefs.

Dionaibh

King Mob wrote: »

Ok. Why did they do this?
Why do a simulation? Why do one that was exactly like the one we have now?
How did they know what the pandemic now was going to be like? Did they release the virus knowing what would happen? Do they have supernatural precognition?
How did this benefit them?
Why did they then make this information public knowledge?

1. So that they have a justification to change, or reset, the way we live to satisfy their paranoia over climate change. Consider the following quote from Christiana Figueres:

"This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history."

And now they have their chance through the overblowing, which I would argue is being done on purpose, of a virus with a 99.9% survival rate.

2. Because I believe that they knew, and sadly they've been proven right, that most people could be persuaded to surrender their freedom if frightened enough. That's why the non-stop fear is fundamental to their achieving what Figueres said. They could be completely open about it, and have been since this began (The Great Reset is out in the open, the UN are singing about a "new world order behind closed doors", Gates and his wife are smiling about a future pandemic). They know how easy it is to manipulate people through fear.

3. I can only guess, that if this was planned, and again I stress that there is evidence that it may have been, but no proof, that they discussed what would happen with world leaders. How they should mandate muzzles, what to close and destroy (the aviation industry being top on the list) and how to threaten lockdowns unless the "rules" were followed (which is what is happening in Ireland and England) to wear people down.

4. Yes, I believe that they may have released it knowing what would happen. I believe that this may have been planned over several years.

And people say that is it impossible for all the countries of the world to be secretly working together to destroy their own societies. I too wondered how this could be, but then I realised that it need only be a few countries, the powerful ones, that are in on it. The rest could just following their lead.

So, again, I stress that I have no proof for the above, but I merely point out that their is evidence to suggest that it may be true. Since June, the flu and pneumonia have killed more people than COVID-19 in the UK. Hardly anyone has died of the virus. Most have died with the virus. A pandemic that requires an obsession with cases because of so few deaths is not a pandemic. Hardly anyone has died of the virus in Ireland, and yet many people in Ireland are existing rather than living. Life is not worth living for so many people, particularly people in rural areas. I saw a video of a man on Prime Time who made that very point.

Let me ask you a few questions: Are you suspicious of what is going on around the world? Do you think the cure is worse than the disease? Is the trashing of the economy and the destruction of mental health a price worth paying for a virus that has run its course, in terms of deaths, in the West?

And all I ask is that you don't dismiss my answers as "conspiracy rubbish".

King Mob

Dionaibh wrote: »

Let me ask you a few questions: Are you suspicious of what is going on around the world? Do you think the cure is worse than the disease? Is the trashing of the economy and the destruction of mental health a price worth paying for a virus that has run its course, in terms of deaths, in the West?

No to both questions.
I also don't believe many of the things you believe are happening are actually happening or at least happening the way you believe.
I also don't believe it has "run it's course" and I don't believe you are accuratly representing it's danger. This is because you seem to be very badly informed and you seem to believe some very silly things at the drop of a hat.

Dionaibh wrote: »

And all I ask is that you don't dismiss my answers as "conspiracy rubbish".

What answers? None of your waffle were answers to any of my questions. It was paranoid conspiracy nonsense.

I think I asked too many of you at once and you lost track.

Let's try simpler and one at a time.
Why did They run a simulation of events? How specifically did that benefit them?

Dionaibh

King Mob wrote: »

No to both questions.
I also don't believe many of the things you believe are happening are actually happening or at least happening the way you believe.
I also don't believe it has "run it's course" and I don't believe you are accuratly representing it's danger. This is because you seem to be very badly informed and you seem to believe some very silly things at the drop of a hat.

What answers? None of your waffle were answers to any of my questions. It was paranoid conspiracy nonsense.

I think I asked too many of you at once and you lost track.

Let's try simpler and one at a time.
Why did They run a simulation of events? How specifically did that benefit them?

I specifically said that it had run its course in the West in terms of deaths. Since June in the UK more people have died of the flu and pneumonia than COVID-19.

What do you make of what Christiana Figueres said about intentionally transforming the economic model? Doesn't that chime with The Great Reset?

King Mob

Dionaibh wrote: »

I specifically said that it had run its course in the West in terms of deaths. Since June in the UK more people have died of the flu and pneumonia than COVID-19.

What do you make of what Christiana Figueres said about intentionally transforming the economic model? Doesn't that chime with The Great Reset?

Sorry you've done the typical conspiracy thing of dodging questions.
I took time to answer yours directly and clear and concisely.
Go back and address my previous questions please.

patnor1011

King Mob wrote: »

No to both questions.
Let's try simpler and one at a time.
Why did They run a simulation of events? How specifically did that benefit them?

Seriously?
Governments and corporations are constantly running simulations. That is how they learn about what to expect. Ordinary people do not hear about these things with exceptions of an occasional report about some war games which are simulation too. No wonder that they are like you, surprised that something like that is going on and then struggle to understand why.

King Mob

patnor1011 wrote: »

Seriously?
Governments and corporations are constantly running simulations. That is how they learn about what to expect. Ordinary people do not hear about these things with exceptions of an occasional report about some war games which are simulation too. No wonder that they are like you, surprised that something like that is going on and then struggle to understand why.

Yes. But why would they do this in the context of a conspiracy where they're engineering things?
The point of simulations like the above is test readiness and see how organisations respond to things. If it's a conspiracy, especially one that's enginnering responses to things, then what would be the point of a simulation when they already know how things will happen?

Then why would they do this only months before their big plan?

Why did they make this information public if it indicates there's a conspiracy?
Why not do it in secret?

patnor1011

King Mob wrote: »

Yes. But why would they do this in the context of a conspiracy where they're engineering things?
The point of simulations like the above is test readiness and see how organisations respond to things. If it's a conspiracy, especially one that's enginnering responses to things, then what would be the point of a simulation when they already know how things will happen?

Then why would they do this only months before their big plan?

Why did they make this information public if it indicates there's a conspiracy?
Why not do it in secret?

Do you honestly believe that success is guaranteed only if prepared in secrecy? History is full of examples when things were openly demonstrated or tried in full view before executed for real.

Dohnjoe

Dionaibh wrote: »

of a virus with a 99.9% survival rate.

It has an average of a 2% to 4% case fatality rate.

The Great Reset

Is just the name of an economics book.

the UN are singing about a "new world order behind closed doors"

No, singers and school groups made up and sang songs at an event one of them was

"“Around the world we’re closing borders, COVID-19 on the rise
A new world order behind closed doors, the storm will pass, we will survive
We will rise, we will rise again, our isles will rise again
We will rise, we will rise again, our world will rise again”

Gates and his wife are smiling about a future pandemic). They know how easy it is to manipulate people through fear.

And all you are doing on this forum is spreading falsehoods and baseless fear.

Dohnjoe

patnor1011 wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that success is guaranteed only if prepared in secrecy? History is full of examples when things were openly demonstrated or tried in full view before executed for real.

This is a discussion with someone who full-on believes Covid-19 is a hoax, a "secret plan" by the UN to take over the world, for Bill Gates to depopulate the planet and 20 other levels of lunacy...

Can you please explain your point in relation to that?

King Mob

patnor1011 wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that success is guaranteed only if prepared in secrecy? History is full of examples when things were openly demonstrated or tried in full view before executed for real.

But conspiracy theorists like yourself are claiming this event as evidence for a conspiracy.

So why not do it in secret?
What benefit does it give them if they do it openly?

I asked several questions in my post.
Why did you ignore them?

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It has an average of a 2% to 4% case fatality rate.



Is just the name of an economics book.



No, singers and school groups made up and sang songs at an event one of them was

"“Around the world we’re closing borders, COVID-19 on the rise
A new world order behind closed doors, the storm will pass, we will survive
We will rise, we will rise again, our isles will rise again
We will rise, we will rise again, our world will rise again”



And all you are doing on this forum is spreading falsehoods and baseless fear.

The Great Reset is the theme of the next Davos get together.

I didn't know that it was the school group who wrote the song. Thanks.

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

This is a discussion with someone who full-on believes Covid-19 is a hoax, a "secret plan" by the UN to take over the world, for Bill Gates to depopulate the planet and 20 other levels of lunacy...

Can you please explain your point in relation to that?

I don't believe it's a hoax, but I think the cure may be worse than the disease. I said there was evidence to suggest that the pandemic is being taken advantage of. The only thing about Bill Gates that worries me is his smiling after saying the next one would get people's attention. I don't think, based on what I've read, that he wants to depopulate the planet. People often mention what he said about a '10 to 15% reduction', but they don't give the context.

But the evidence I mention could be coincidences. I'm willing to accept that, and hope it's the case. I just mentioned it so people could discuss it.

Dionaibh

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1334816/climate-change-rules-lindsay-hoyle-G7

I did say this was being used to push to change the world because of climate change.

King Mob

Dionaibh wrote: »

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1334816/climate-change-rules-lindsay-hoyle-G7

I did say this was being used to push to change the world because of climate change.

Out of interest, do you also believe that climate change isn't real?
You seem to be buying into every other conspiracy claim.

Dionaibh

King Mob wrote: »

Out of interest, do you also believe that climate change isn't real?
You seem to be buying into every other conspiracy claim.

I don't know enough about it to be able to offer an opinion.

The only reason I linked to the article is because I mentioned my fear that COVID-19 was being used to change the way we live.

King Mob

Dionaibh wrote: »

I don't know enough about it to be able to offer an opinion.

The only reason I linked to the article is because I mentioned my fear that COVID-19 was being used to change the way we live.

Fair enough.

Since you're not going back to answer my questions, could you explain why you are doing that?

Why are you so afraid of this global conspiracy when you have to be so dishonest and evasive just to entertain it as a possibility?

Markcheese

Isn't that how we usually get to large scale change anyway ? Something big happens , there's a large-scale reaction ,sometimes an overreaction ( usually only noticable in retrospect) , that reaction sometimes leads naturally to large scale change , and sometimes companies or governments take advantage of the change or crisis to their advantage , think of the unexpected changes brought about by world war 2 ..

4068ac1elhodqr

Dionaibh wrote: »

The Great Reset is the theme of the next Davos get together.

Thought this may have been a joke at first, but no, you are 100% correct:

“The Great Reset” will be the theme of a unique twin summit in January 2021, convened by the World Economic Forum, (and the Davos meetup), perhaps the annual Bilderberg get together will follow this same theme (that's a very secretive meetup, so we won't know).

Dionaibh wrote: »

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1334816/climate-change-rules-lindsay-hoyle-G7
I did say this was being used to push to change the world because of climate change.

And again, it seems you're not wrong, as from the same linked WEF/DAVOS Press Release:

We have to decarbonize the economy 'in the short window still remaining' and bring our thinking and behaviour once more into harmony with nature.

Consider too, the UN sustanability report (released yesterday), that shows (ALL) x20 of their enviromental targets, set 10yrs ago, have all failed to be met.

How on earth can world leaders suddenly, {during a pandemic, requiring emergency-use vaccines for all 8bn}, suddenly decarbonize the planet's economy (in the 'short window' of opportunity still remaining)?

I.e. What possible measure(s) could drastically save the planet's ecosystem in this 'short window of unique opportunity', in an over populated, and thus over-polluted planet?

Dohnjoe

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

“The Great Reset” will be the theme of a unique twin summit in January 2021, convened by the World Economic Forum, (and the Davos meetup), perhaps the annual Bilderberg get together will follow this same theme (that's a very secretive meetup, so we won't know).

Oh something sinister is going on, what is it?

Hint: don't commit to any answer, just use the word "perhaps" followed by personal speculation.

Dohnjoe

Markcheese wrote: »

Isn't that how we usually get to large scale change anyway ? Something big happens , there's a large-scale reaction ,sometimes an overreaction ( usually only noticable in retrospect) , that reaction sometimes leads naturally to large scale change , and sometimes companies or governments take advantage of the change or crisis to their advantage , think of the unexpected changes brought about by world war 2 ..

Is there something going on?

If yes, what is it? The UN has a secret plan to "take over the world"?

GT89

The vaccine is there and ready to go and has been since long before the first cases of the virus were reported in China they are waiting for the right time to release it to the general public in order to maximise the economic damage and implement as much societal changes as possible.

Dohnjoe

GT89 wrote: »

The vaccine is there and ready to go and has been since long before the first cases of the virus were reported in China they are waiting for the right time to release it to the general public in order to maximise the economic damage and implement as much societal changes as possible.

Cool, source for this?

is_that_so

GT89 wrote: »

The vaccine is there and ready to go and has been since long before the first cases of the virus were reported in China they are waiting for the right time to release it to the general public in order to maximise the economic damage and implement as much societal changes as possible.

That seems naive in the extreme and doomed to failure as we'll just go back to whatever we were doing before this and CB printers will run 24/7 for the next year if needs be.

patnor1011

King Mob wrote: »

But conspiracy theorists like yourself are claiming this event as evidence for a conspiracy.

So why not do it in secret?
What benefit does it give them if they do it openly?

I asked several questions in my post.
Why did you ignore them?

Funny how you try to shut down debate calling everyone who does not agree with you a conspiracy theorist.
Your posts are full of why, why, why and no matter what anyone reply you go on again with another set of why.
I replied to your questions and perhaps you just need to start read slower or several times till you get what other people say.

Looks like your conspiracy theory is that everyone who differ from your point of view is a conspiracy theorist.

Dohnjoe

patnor1011 wrote: »

Funny how you try to shut down debate calling everyone who does not agree with you a conspiracy theorist.

Just to ask, do you believe there is a conspiracy going on with Corona virus or the Covid vaccine?

If yes, what is that conspiracy?

If no, then okay, but doesn't seem there is anything to discuss

patnor1011

is_that_so wrote: »

That seems naive in the extreme and doomed to failure as we'll just go back to whatever we were doing before this and CB printers will run 24/7 for the next year if needs be.

I do not know about vaccine being ready and pretty much do not care about it anyway but you do have some naive ideas about how economy works.
We are not going back to whatever we were doing before this and the more you print the bigger the mess. We start to see it in the USA and seen it in history time and again.

patnor1011

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Just to ask, do you believe there is a conspiracy going on with Corona virus or the Covid vaccine?

If yes, what is that conspiracy?

If no, then okay, but doesn't seem there is anything to discuss

You and King do have some strange hobby. You are not asking because you want to know or discuss something. You are trying to bait people with ridiculous questions and then have a laugh. Thing is that while you are entitled to your own opinion these people are entitled to have their own one too.

I already said that while it may look cool to laugh at people and calling them crazy fact is that a lot of conspiracy theories turned out to be true after all.
It is only decent and it show intelligence if we remain civil while talking about things.

If you guys think that people who believe in some things you do not are crazy then why are you trying to question them? To get some internet brown points or some superiority feeling?

Dohnjoe

patnor1011 wrote: »

You and King do have some strange hobby. You are not asking because you want to know or discuss something. You are trying to bait people with ridiculous questions and then have a laugh. Thing is that while you are entitled to your own opinion these people are entitled to have their own one too.

I already said that while it may look cool to laugh at people and calling them crazy fact is that a lot of conspiracy theories turned out to be true after all.
It is only decent and it show intelligence if we remain civil while talking about things.

If you guys think that people who believe in some things you do not are crazy then why are you trying to question them? To get some internet brown points or some superiority feeling?

It's a public forum. If people want to bring up conspiracies, that's fine, but they shouldn't be surprised if they are asked questions about them. If you don't think any conspiracy is going on, that's grand.

King Mob

patnor1011 wrote: »

Funny how you try to shut down debate calling everyone who does not agree with you a conspiracy theorist. .

If you believe in conspiracy theories, then you are a conspiracy theorist.
Not sure how that shuts down debate.

patnor1011 wrote: »

Your posts are full of why, why, why and no matter what anyone reply you go on again with another set of why.
.

Yes. Because that's how you find things out.
And often when you guys finally do supply a direct answer, it raises more questions.

It's weird how only in this form asking people to explain their theories and beliefs counts as "shutting down debate".

patnor1011 wrote: »

I replied to your questions and perhaps you just need to start read slower or several times till you get what other people say.
.

But you haven't really.

FutureTeashock

Conspiracy or no conspiracy, it doesn't change the fact that no safe vaccine has ever been developed in under a year.

I see this rushed vaccine flopping in the same way the Covid tracker app did.

GT89

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Cool, source for this?

My personal opinion

FutureTeashock

UN Forced to Admit Gates-funded Vaccine Is Causing Polio Outbreak in Africa

https://www.globalresearch.ca/un-forced-admit-gates-funded-vaccine-causing-polio-outbreak-africa/5723137

King Mob

FutureTeashock wrote: »

UN Forced to Admit Gates-funded Vaccine Is Causing Polio Outbreak in Africa

https://www.globalresearch.ca/un-forced-admit-gates-funded-vaccine-causing-polio-outbreak-africa/5723137

Global research is a notorious crank conspiracy website.

Why do you guys keep having to go to dodgy source for this stuff?

FutureTeashock

King Mob wrote: »

Global research is a notorious crank conspiracy website.

Why do you guys keep having to go to dodgy source for this stuff?

It cites the official UN website. Why don't you read the articles posted for a change instead of constantly moaning.

Overheal

FutureTeashock wrote: »

It cites the official UN website. Why don't you read the articles posted for a change instead of constantly moaning.

reign it in.

King Mob

FutureTeashock wrote: »

It cites the official UN website. Why don't you read the articles posted for a change instead of constantly moaning.

Because sites like that engage in spin and manipulation.
The might link the original document, but that doesn't mean that they are accuratly presenting it.

In my experience, globalresearch does this a lot. It also promotes countless conspiracy claims which indicates to me they are either incompetent journalists or they are plainly dishonest.

If the document it links to contains the actual information you says it does, why not just cut out the middleman? Especially when that middleman is shady and spouts nonsense often.

I think the reason you did this (and why conspiracy theorists in general do it) is because the original source probably doesn't support the headline of the article.

I'm a bit not sure what this has to do with the topic of the thread either...

patnor1011

If anyone is thinking governments and particularly american, chinese and russian government are not going to exploit current situation, they need to think again.
We are talking about people who started wars on fake manufactured "facts" and incidents, people who do not hesitate to experiment on and to even kill their own people in pursuing their goals, agenda, research...

This situation is not much different. Was the virus man made? We do not know for sure and we still do not know where it came from. What we do know and can actually see is the response chosen by powers that be which is pretty much severely restricting liberties and rights. All in the name of protecting all of us from virus which is pretty much harmless to absolute majority of people.

King Mob

patnor1011 wrote: »

If anyone is thinking governments and particularly american, chinese and russian government are not going to exploit current situation, they need to think again.
We are talking about people who started wars on fake manufactured "facts" and incidents, people who do not hesitate to experiment on and to even kill their own people in pursuing their goals, agenda, research...

But no one is arguing against the theories based on the idea that governments are being pure and noble.
This is a pretty silly strawman.

patnor1011 wrote: »

This situation is not much different. Was the virus man made? We do not know for sure and we still do not know where it came from. What we do know and can actually see is the response chosen by powers that be which is pretty much severely restricting liberties and rights. All in the name of protecting all of us from virus which is pretty much harmless to absolute majority of people.

But we've all heard this exact speil before. Many times. For practically every virus and every world event.

patnor1011

King Mob wrote: »

But no one is arguing against the theories based on the idea that governments are being pure and noble.
This is a pretty silly strawman.


But we've all heard this exact speil before. Many times. For practically every virus and every world event.

But, but, but and talking about strawman and spiel. Your opinion is exactly what it is - an opinion. Being the loudest guy in the room does not make you right even if you like to think so.

King Mob

patnor1011 wrote: »

But, but, but and talking about strawman and spiel. Your opinion is exactly what it is - an opinion. Being the loudest guy in the room does not make you right even if you like to think so.

Again weirdly personal comments for just asking questions.

And making weirdly personal comments doesn't make conspiracies less vague or sources not terrible.
Ignoring points and questions doesn't make them go away either.

Sir Guy who smiles

FutureTeashock wrote: »

It is absolutely right to question not just the "warp speed" at which these vaccinations are being thrown together, but the very nature of the experimental technology, which involves altering the DNA of those who choose to take it.

I'm sorry if someone else addressed this, as I haven't read all 20 pages of this thread.

Where do you get the idea that new vaccines alter the DNA of those who take it?

That sounds like something from the realms of science fiction. That is not how vaccines work.

patnor1011

King Mob wrote: »

Again weirdly personal comments for just asking questions.

And making weirdly personal comments doesn't make conspiracies less vague or sources not terrible.
Ignoring points and questions doesn't make them go away either.

Sorry, my apologies. I did not realize that only you are allowed to make weirdly personal comments.

King Mob

patnor1011 wrote: »

Sorry, my apologies. I did not realize that only you are allowed to make weirdly personal comments.

So, my point was that many if not all of the claims being made about this pandemic have been made before.
They were all wrong then.

Why should the same claims, made by the same people, using the same reasoning and "evidence" be believed this time?

Why were they wrong the last time?

Smee_Again

Smee_Again wrote: »

Still waiting on a source for this DNA altering claim.

FutureTeashock wrote: »

Straight from the Devil's lair:

"It involves the direct introduction into appropriate tissues of a plasmid containing the DNA sequence encoding the antigen(s) against which an immune response is sought, and relies on the in situ production of the target antigen."

https://www.who.int/biologicals/areas/vaccines/dna/en/

The DNA is edited to fight the virus, thus altering the DNA.

Smee_Again wrote: »

No it’s not. The vaccine isn’t inserted into the cell nucleus, it simply trains the DNA to fight the virus.

If that DNA cell were to replicate it would only contain original DNA ergo unaltered.

Sir Guy who smiles wrote: »

I'm sorry if someone else addressed this, as I haven't read all 20 pages of this thread.

Where do you get the idea that new vaccines alter the DNA of those who take it?

That sounds like something from the realms of science fiction. That is not how vaccines work.

Asked, answered and unsurprisingly refuted.

Dionaibh

King Mob wrote: »

But no one is arguing against the theories based on the idea that governments are being pure and noble.
This is a pretty silly strawman.


But we've all heard this exact speil before. Many times. For practically every virus and every world event.

But I don't remember there ever before being the prospect of the planet being reset over a virus.

And what should worry people is that, unlike previous events, we're living in the age of technology, which means it is possible for a techno tyranny to be what lies ahead. No, I'm not saying that it is what's ahead, but that it's a possibility and achievable. Resetting the planet over a virus with a 99.9% survival rate should worry everyone.

Dionaibh

patnor1011 wrote: »

If anyone is thinking governments and particularly american, chinese and russian government are not going to exploit current situation, they need to think again.
We are talking about people who started wars on fake manufactured "facts" and incidents, people who do not hesitate to experiment on and to even kill their own people in pursuing their goals, agenda, research...

This situation is not much different. Was the virus man made? We do not know for sure and we still do not know where it came from. What we do know and can actually see is the response chosen by powers that be which is pretty much severely restricting liberties and rights. All in the name of protecting all of us from virus which is pretty much harmless to absolute majority of people.

I agree with you that governments are exploiting the current situation, but rather than Russia, the US and China, I think the two worst are Ireland and the UK. I've never been to Russia, but people have a lot more freedom there than in Ireland and the UK at the moment. Bars in Moscow have banned masks, young people, based on an article I read in NYT, despise masks, and people are trying to get on with with their lives.

In China, they're having pool parties.

The US is complicated because of the states. South Dakota is the freest state in the US at the moment. And then you have a state like California where there's very little freedom. It doesn't help that it's election year in the US.