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thesultan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Put gleeson centre back.....TdB on kyle hayes is a receipe for diaster

I think our midfield will give em enough of it,and match em in terms of mobility



Suspect they have the edge on us,in terms of forwards

No shane bennett,mahony or maurice shanahan,each.capable of lighting up on a given.day

Have you watched our last game and theirs?

JD 60

PTH2009 wrote: »

Colm Lyons from Cork the ref for Sunday

Preferable to Horgan.

JD 60

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

So anyone level headed would say it's very unlikely we can beat Limerick in the Munster final. You could argue that if we come within 10 points, we'll be doing well. That would even mark progress.

Unlikely yes but 10 points !

Limerick are a serious team but are not unbeatable. Saw them in AI Final in 2018, hanging on a for a 1 point win (after looking home and hosed with about 10 minutes left) & lose by a point against an average Kilkenny in last year's semi final (denied a legitimate 65 at the death).

In fairness, they seem to have kicked on again this year so a huge test for Waterford this Sunday but at least we won't see a repeat of last year's capitulation.

whiteandblue

JD 60 wrote: »

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

So anyone level headed would say it's very unlikely we can beat Limerick in the Munster final. You could argue that if we come within 10 points, we'll be doing well. That would even mark progress.

Unlikely yes but 10 points !

Limerick are a serious team but are not unbeatable. Saw them in AI Final in 2018, hanging on a for a 1 point win (after looking home and hosed with about 10 minutes left) & lose by a point against an average Kilkenny in last year's semi final (denied a legitimate 65 at the death).

In fairness, they seem to have kicked on again this year so a huge test for Waterford this Sunday but at least we won't see a repeat of last year's capitulation.

In the 2018 semi-final, it was Cork who were comfortably clear with 10 minutes to go but collapsed and Limerick came back to force extra-time and win pull away in that period. The defining moment was Nickie Quaid's block on Seamus Harnedy in stoppage time with the sides level.
If Limerick had been beaten, they obviously wouldn't have won the 2018 All-Ireland but perhaps Kiely would have been under pressure and they mightn't have ever developed as they have to win a Munster final and 2 league titles since.

Deisegodeo

North quays funding in the bag, Munster title next Sunday... things are looking up!!

whiteandblue

https://twitter.com/WaterfordGAA/status/1326150072040628224?s=20

Benji Whelan has stepped down as senior football manager.

PTH2009

Deisegodeo wrote: »

North quays funding in the bag, Munster title next Sunday... things are looking up!!

Good news for the city and county, any word on the Walsh Park redevelopment ?

Pity about Benji Whelan but it is a hard job. Can't see there being a big demand for the Waterford football job. Surely the 2019 minor management team should get it

whiteandblue

PTH2009 wrote: »

Good news for the city and county, any word on the Walsh Park redevelopment ?

Pity about Benji Whelan but it is a hard job. Can't see there being a big demand for the Waterford football job. Surely the 2019 minor management team should get it

There's plenty of former intercounty players who gave their all with Waterford that are in with clubs now or previously that could perhaps get the commitment from the best players from around the county. The likes of Ger Walsh (The Nire) Ger Power (Rathgormack) Stephen Cunningham (Stradbally) Shane Briggs & Gary Hurney (Ballinacourty) Emmett Doherty (Kilrossanty) have all club experience with plenty of intercounty playing experience behind them.

Hard to imagine much interest from outside the county unfortunately.

Mac_Lad71

Giveitfong wrote: »

I too noticed how little credit, or even coverage, Waterford received from the media pundits over the last week for their win over Cork. Following Cork’s defeat of Dublin last Saturday, their performance the previous weekend is now being presented as some kind of blip or aberration.

In my view, the key factor in Cork’s win last Saturday was Dublin’s awfulness. I have long been of the view that, if you allow Cork to play, they will probably beat you up a stick. But if you get stuck into them, they don’t want to know.

This is not to say that Waterford’s win over the Rebels was due entirely to getting stuck into them. Waterford also had a clear game plan which they executed to great effect, and they played some excellent hurling into the bargain.

Last Saturday, Dublin were not at the races in any of these departments. They allowed Cork to run around the place without putting a finger on them. I don’t remember a single decent hard tackle in the entire game.

Dublin persisted with a long puckout strategy from start to finish, even though they couldn’t win any of their puckouts to save their lives. This gave Cork a major platform from which to launch attacks. Meanwhile, time and again Anthony Nash found Cork players in space with his directed puckouts.

On top of that, Dublin’s error count was extremely high – poor decision-making, over and underhit passes, poor striking.

Mattie Kenny got quite a reputation when leading Cuala to two All-Ireland club championships. They were skillful, well-organised, had a good game plan and played with great commitment and will-to-win. Who will ever forget their epic All-Ireland club final victory over Na Piarsaigh?

But none of this was in evidence with Dublin last Saturday. Kenny’s management of the game was terrible. The Dublin midfield was completely missing yet he made no change there until far too late. Probably his best player, Chris Crummey, wasn’t getting a puck at centre forward but he never brought him to midfield or defence where his size and strength might have been used to much greater effect.

Dublin kept playing the ball around out the field and eventually losing it, instead of playing ball into their full forward line where it was frequently two on two. And just like with Cork last week, they kept hitting poorly directed ball which was hoovered up by Mark Coleman.

While Dublin kept plugging away, more in desperation than hope, they had lost all shape by the final quarter. Kenny threw Crummey, Liam Rushe and Conal Keaney into the Cork goal area and starting lobbing high balls into them, even though the chances of getting possession in such a crowded area were minimal and the chances of even swinging a hurley were even less.

Kenny suggested afterwards that Dublin may have been suffering from fatigue in their third game in 15 days. Yet their game against Laois was little more than a training spin while they didn’t even raise a gallop for 50 minutes of their game against Kilkenny. They produced a similarly abject no-show against Laois last year, a game they should have been able to win comfortably. Ultimately, it’s all in the head, and the first requirement of any good manager is to get his players’ heads right. Thus far, the indications are that Liam Cahill has this precious ability in spades.

So the key part of Cork's win over Dublin was Dublin's awfulness but the key part of Waterford's victory over Cork wasn't Cork's awfulness.

By that logic so Cork played well against Waterford but poorly against Dublin.

PTH2009

whiteandblue wrote: »

There's plenty of former intercounty players who gave their all with Waterford that are in with clubs now or previously that could perhaps get the commitment from the best players from around the county. The likes of Ger Walsh (The Nire) Ger Power (Rathgormack) Stephen Cunningham (Stradbally) Shane Briggs & Gary Hurney (Ballinacourty) Emmett Doherty (Kilrossanty) have all club experience with plenty of intercounty playing experience behind them.

Hard to imagine much interest from outside the county unfortunately.

We don't have the finances to attract one of the great GAA journeymen in football. John Maughan, Luke Dempsey and the likes

PTH2009

Obv hoping we go as far as we can for the rest of 2020 but looking towards the future you have to be a little excited for the 2021 Hurling season as Cahill has said he will be bringing in a few more players to the squad and the current crop of players will be even more used to Cahills style of play/management

thesultan

thesultan wrote: »

Have you watched our last game and theirs?

Yes?

Canyon86

Best of luck for the weekend Waterford !
From a cork chap

Mastermcgrath

Will be weird not being able to cheer the lads on in the Munster final. Hope people can get the bunting out to show the lads we are behind them

PTH2009

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Will be weird not being able to cheer the lads on in the Munster final. Hope people can get the bunting out to show the lads we are behind them

yeah be nice to see a few flags around

Get takeaway pints in T&Hs/Cans and grab a bit of Supermacs before the game. Bring Thurles to your home :D

Cake Man

Any word from the camp, have we Conor Gleeson and Darragh Fives available? Or any other injury concerns? Will we see the same starting 15 as the last day?

carter10

Cake Man wrote: »

Any word from the camp, have we Conor Gleeson and Darragh Fives available? Or any other injury concerns? Will we see the same starting 15 as the last day?

No word as the game seems to have been completely forgotten about by the papers and pundits. Not a single article in the examiner today- Incredible to think just 3 days before a Munster final. There is news however about the Kerry manager hurting his shoulder climbing a mountain and plenty of commentry on the Davy versus Brian Lohan soap opera.

killbillvol2

carter10 wrote: »

No word as the game seems to have been completely forgotten about by the papers and pundits. Not a single article in the examiner today- Incredible to think just 3 days before a Munster final. There is news however about the Kerry manager hurting his shoulder climbing a mountain and plenty of commentry on the Davy versus Brian Lohan soap opera.

There's two articles in the Irish Times about it this morning.

Pudz2180

Cake Man wrote: »

Any word from the camp, have we Conor Gleeson and Darragh Fives available? Or any other injury concerns? Will we see the same starting 15 as the last day?

Would be good to have the two boys fit plus iarlaith daly as well. Taught our bench was a little bit on the weak side the last day especially when you compare it to limericks bench who all seem to make impacts when called upon. I’d imagine they will stay loyal to the boys from the last day. I know it’s great to have the hurling back in these trying times but you’d give anything to be heading to thurles on Sunday. You just can’t beat the buzz of Munster final day in thurles, hopefully the boys will do themselves justice on Sunday

JD 60

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/gaa-statistics-waterford-must-cut-out-limerick-s-link-man-gearóid-hegarty-1.4406794


https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/shanahan-impressed-with-cahill-s-impact-on-a-resurgent-waterford-1.4406605

upthedeise16

Cake Man wrote: »

Any word from the camp, have we Conor Gleeson and Darragh Fives available? Or any other injury concerns? Will we see the same starting 15 as the last day?

Darragh Fives won't be fit but Conor Gleeson & Iarlaith Daly are available I think.

It’s great to have competition in the backs as Cahill didn’t change any of his backs the last day (he didn’t have to change them to be fair) but you would expect the backs to be under more pressure the next day and changes may be necessary. If the same team were to start the next day, I would have no fear of throwing in Ian Kenny, who’s had a few excellent years with Ballygunner and has pace to burn, Conor Gleeson who is a former YHOTY nominee and Iarlaith Daly who was one of Waterford’s best player in the league. Darragh Lyons played most of his underage hurling in the backs & is an excellent players. Also the option is there to move Aussie back if needs be and Kieran Bennett who played an All-Ireland at wing back.

Up front, Montgomery was a favourite of Cahill throughout the league and done well in a working wing-forward and I thought he dropped deep well in the final minutes against Cork and had a free harshly given against him but he got on ball. Having carried a hamstring injury into that match, you'd be thinking he will really be pushing Dillon, Fagan, Prendergast etc to start. Billy Power, Patrick Curran & Darragh got the nod to come on the last day and made impression with Billy finding Dessie with a great pass from around the middle to the corner, Darragh Lyons charging out of defense to set up a score and Curran got on the scoreboard. I’m sure Mikey Kearney would be disappointed not to get a run. There is definitely competition again up top.

You can imagine then with Daly & Gleeson back, there is serious competition to make the 26 for some lads. All these factors drove on performance. There is no longer a sense that “Oh he will definitely start”. Under Cahill, there seems to be an open team and panel in which any player could break on to the 26 (other than Shanahan & Connors). You can imagine the intensity of in-house training and matches because of this which will hopefully lead to a big performance on Sunday.

mountgomery burns

Think we are light up front so would say there is no scope to move Austin Gleeson back. And I think taking him out of a position where he will commit to rash tackling would be no harm.

Options in the backs alright, wouldn't fancy Moran on Hegarty again though. He fairly dusted him for their second goal last year in Walsh Park.

Think we'll be competitive anyway. Hopefully we can do it though wouldn't be confident. Everyone else in Munster has beaten Limerick in the last 2 years though so it's not an impossible task.

JD 60

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-what-ever-happened-to-austin-gleeson-1.4407354

waterfordgirl

JD 60 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-what-ever-happened-to-austin-gleeson-1.4407354

Really good article I thought, hope hes right about the best being yet to come.

seananigans

Mac_Lad71 wrote: »

So the key part of Cork's win over Dublin was Dublin's awfulness but the key part of Waterford's victory over Cork wasn't Cork's awfulness.

By that logic so Cork played well against Waterford but poorly against Dublin.

corks score against a bad dublin still wouldnt have won against us

Mastermcgrath

waterfordgirl wrote: »

Really good article I thought, hope hes right about the best being yet to come.

Agree. I hope Gleeson avoids the bull**** that’s written about him in social media, but pays heed to articles like this from a guy who won everything as a player and knows a thing or 2 about being successful.

Any word on the team

Im with club deise,but no sign of a team forthcoming

PTH2009

Deleted User wrote: »

Any word on the team

Im with club deise,but no sign of a team forthcoming

Normally after 8pm the team is released

Munster Final Wat v. Lim
1 S O'Keeffe
2 S Fives
3 C Prunty
4 S McNulty
5 C Lyons
6 T de Burca
7 K Moran
8 J Barron
9 J Dillon
10 J Fagan
11 K Bennett
12 S Bennett
13 D Hutchinson
14 A Gleeson
15 J Prendergast

Jjjjjjjjbarry

Conor Gleason and Iarlaith Daly back on the bench.