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No I don't, I use my porn every so often but insure that its tame and and the biggest sexual organ in my body which is the brain.
The inherent issue at the moment is men don't know how to have pleasure, instead its regarded as some sort of quick 5 knuckle shuffle shoot your load and relax. Where given some education it can be much more than that.
Its unhealthy for a start, if you can't function with out having a **** that should be a read flag. It effects your concentration levels, Potency, ability to maintain an erection during intercourse. Above all the shame and increased anxiety it creates.
FYI: I'm not against masturbation in any way shape or form. My concerns are based on what seems to be such a worryingly common issue for men all over the world. Since your all discussing how often you masturbate. I feel its perfectly acceptable to bring these issues into light.
Its unhealthy ?????!?!???!
And why would you be worrying about a " common issue for men all over the world" ??? (is the issue that men all over the world masturbate? Or that they use porn while masturbating??)
I think you are a bit uptight about masturbating.... Its a 5 minute thing to enjoy the feeling of orgasm. I dont feel the need for romantic music, and candles when i want to masturbate......
"Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn
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greenspurs wrote: »Its unhealthy ?????!?!???!
And why would you be worrying about a " common issue for men all over the world" ??? (is the issue that men all over the world masturbate? Or that they use porn while masturbating??)
Why worry? why not start a conversation about it? Just leave it in the dark. Ignore all the health issues of men and not speak about it and we can be ignorant to all the men's health that surround us these days.I think you are a bit uptight about masturbating.... Its a 5 minute thing to enjoy the feeling of orgasm. I dont feel the need for romantic music, and candles when i want to masturbate......
Actually your the uptight one, not me. Your the one who regards it as a 5 minute thing to enjoy an orgasm. No one said it has to have candles and romantic music.
This is the problem your looking at the end goal and not the pleasure involved.
What I can and will say is there are techniques that can further the intensity and pleasure you feel. " If you enjoy an orgasm, surely you'd want to experience a more intense mind blowing orgasm and all the Pleasure that comes with it? 0 -
Well actually your entirely wrong on the effects of porn.
If you say so - but you have not shown anything which shows that I am wrong other than saying I am.
So let's go back to my post and pull out exactly the things I said about the "effects of porn" shall we? Because not my entire post was about that. Then we can discuss which ones are "entirely wrong".
Here are the things I said:
"People watch porn without any of the effects you list."
"A little porn "Twice a Day" is not something that strikes me as "high"."
""Extreme styles" or "desensitization" are not automatically a given either."
Which of those are "entirely" wrong and what evidence have you to make that claim?The problem is the brain slowly becomes tolerant to the porn you watch which essentially forces you into a box where you begin to watch more extreme porn to get off.
And yet the world seems to contain millions of people who watch porn without any such thing happening. So perhaps the key word in your sentence here is "slowly".
As I said on my post I see this as similar to many things like alcohol and comfort food and gaming and so on. I am sure the body becomes slowly tolerant to alcohol too. But the majority of us engage with them without any adverse effects - without becoming addicted - without seeking ever stronger alcohol and so on.
How is porn not the same exactly? If you engage with anything - porn included - healthily and with moderation then you are not likely to have issues. A slow build up of tolerance will be exactly that - slow - and you will not have any requirements to take it further. Which is why most people can use porn or alcohol or anything else without issues.
If however you throw moderation out the window with any of those things then sure - you are going to have issues. I would never claim otherwise because then - unlike now - I would indeed be "entirely wrong".This is a known a proven fact.
Then by all means show the "proof". The great thing about "proven facts" is there tends to be proof there. Actual proof that is - not just some guy in a you tube video who you have cherry picked because he expresses the same opinion as you. You do not prove opinions by getting other people who share that opinion. Either on you tube or opinion pieces in a magazine. Which is what you just posted.
That is not what a "proven fact" is. Show actual peer reviewed scientific research if you want to show "proven facts".
As I said before you are being _very_ vague in your text when you say things like "re-wires the brain" and "high amounts of porn". Define "high" here. Define "re-wires". They are ominous sounding phrases but on their own they mean precisely nothing. For example - simply reading this sentence right now is "re-wiring your brain". That does not tell you anything useful at all. The phrase "re-wires your brain" is at the same time entirely correct and entirely meaningless without further clarification.
Worse do you even read your own links before you post them? One of the links _you_ just provided states:
"The American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists (AASECT) argues that there is insufficient scientific evidence to support the existence of addiction to either sex or pornography." and "pornography is unlikely to cause sexual dysfunction." and "studies suggest that pornography might actually help with erectile dysfunction" and "A 2015 analysis of two large, cross-sectional studies also points to a link between pornography use and ED. The link in that study, however, was very modest. Just one of the two studies found a link, and that link was weak." and This undermines the notion that excessive use of pornography is desensitizing. The authors of the study argue that their data does not support public health concerns about pornography, and does not suggest that pornography plays a role in erectile dysfunction.
I get the distinct feeling you read the title - just assumed the article supported your position - and so posted the link
Feel free to entirely disagree, If you have to crack one off twice a day that's a habit. Whether you choose to except or believe it.
Firstly you are _still_ switching between porn and masturbation seamlessly as if they are the same thing somehow. They really are not. You are discussing one then in the next breath you simply switch to the other. They are not the same thing. They are not synonyms. They can occur separately - and they can occur together.
But worse - You slipped the words "have to" in there as if no one would notice. They entirely change the meaning of what we are discussing - so just throwing them in willy nilly is a bit dodgy. If a person is engaging with porn once a week or 2 times a day because they want to - they choose to - or they enjoy it - then you have all your evidence ahead of you to prove that this is an issue.
If however a person is doing anything - alcohol - porn - masturbation - comfort food - gambling - or whatever - because they feel they "have to" do it then sure this does signal there might be an addiction or compulsion or a problem at play.
Also you use the word "habit" here. I suspect you mean addiction or compulsion? Because "habit" is not a bad word or a bad thing or a problem. Many people have habits. There is nothing wrong with habits.0 -
The inherent issue at the moment is men don't know how to have pleasure, instead its regarded as some sort of quick 5 knuckle shuffle shoot your load and relax. Where given some education it can be much more than that.
The fact that it _can_ be more than that does not mean it _needs_ to be more than that.
For example one of my most dear hobbies in life is cooking. I love good food. I know how amazing and healthy and emotional and powerful good food can be.
I can still occasionally enjoy fast food however. The fact I understand and enjoy the world of wonderful food does not mean I can not enjoy other kinds too.
The same is true of sex and sexual pleasure. It can be a powerful emotional and physical experience with or without a partner. But it does not _have_ to be. It can _also_ be a quick and fun experience through porn and/or masturbation too.Its unhealthy for a start, if you can't function with out having a **** that should be a read flag.
That is the same duck/dodge you did in the post to me above where you slipped in the words "have to". The user you are replying to asked you what is wrong with doing it once or twice a day. Rather than answer him - you flipped instead to discussing people who "cant function" if they don't do it.
That is not at all answering the question you were asked. If someone asked you "What is wrong with having a glass of wine every so often" and you flipped instead to saying "If you can not function without wine you have a problem" then you have dodged the question you were asked.
If you cant function without something like masturbation or porn or beer - you have a problem. But that does not mean porn or beer or masturbation are unhealthy. You have stated outright it is unhealthy. You have not once shown any evidence to support that position.It effects your concentration levels, Potency, ability to maintain an erection during intercourse. Above all the shame and increased anxiety it creates.
You have not shown that porn or masturbation causes _any_ of the above. If you think massively excessive use of porn or masturbation causes those things then you will get no argument from me however. But if you want to claim that porn or masturbation causes those things in and of themselves - you have a lot of evidence to find.FYI: I'm not against masturbation in any way shape or form. My concerns are based on what seems to be such a worryingly common issue for men all over the world. Since your all discussing how often you masturbate. I feel its perfectly acceptable to bring these issues into light.
Sure - if you can do so with actual data or evidence. Otherwise you are just making the old correlation/causation error.
Things like ED are an issue in our world sure. But you can not automatically assume without evidence that porn and masturbation are causing it. Especially as one of your _own links_ that you posted to support that position is actually paragraph after paragraph _against_ that position
Things like ED have a multitude of causes. What causes it in one person might not be the cause in the next person. It can be caused by depression. It can be caused by stress. Fatigue. Diet. Infections. Other mental health issues. And much more. The reason things like ED are so common in our world is precisely because the number of causes of it are huge.0 -
Why worry? why not start a conversation about it? Just leave it in the dark. Ignore all the health issues of men and not speak about it and we can be ignorant to all the men's health that surround us these days.
Actually your the uptight one, not me. Your the one who regards it as a 5 minute thing to enjoy an orgasm. No one said it has to have candles and romantic music.
This is the problem your looking at the end goal and not the pleasure involved.
What I can and will say is there are techniques that can further the intensity and pleasure you feel. " If you enjoy an orgasm, surely you'd want to experience a more intense mind blowing orgasm and all the Pleasure that comes with it?
AGAIN ...... what is the issue ???? :rolleyes:
And , how each person, men and woman, masturbate is entirely their own business.
Some people might like the feeling of hardness , or wetness, some just want to feel the orgasm, ... everyone is in some way different!
There are no rules for it!
"Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn
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Managing to crank two out - and rock hard - per day, one in the morning, the other at night, the latter often with the assistance of some good wacky baccy. Not too bad for an old timer who's approaching 46... 8)
Lockdown action with the OH has been off the radar lately.0 -
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greenspurs wrote: »AGAIN ...... what is the issue ???? :rolleyes:
And , how each person, men and woman, masturbate is entirely their own business.
Some people might like the feeling of hardness , or wetness, some just want to feel the orgasm, ... everyone is in some way different!
There are no rules for it!
Yet your talking about it on a public forum on the internet, That means your going to get perspectives and disagreement's. Whole point of a forum is to debate the finer nuance's of changing a light bulb. Or in this case pulling the stomach of your self. 0 -
Yet your talking about it on a public forum on the internet, That means your going to get perspectives and disagreement's. Whole point of a forum is to debate the finer nuance's of changing a light bulb. Or in this case pulling the stomach of your self.
Still no answer to the questions i asked you though.....
"Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn
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Yet your talking about it on a public forum on the internet, That means your going to get perspectives and disagreement's.
Sure - but it would be nice to get some well thought out and evidenced perspectives and disagreements sometimes.
As opposed to - for example - someone claiming based on nothing a link between porn and masturbation and Erectile Dysfunction - who then posts a link to an article that says _exactly_ the opposite because they did not read any more of the article than the title and simply guessed what it said inside
So we need to weed out the informed perspectives from the biased ones. Porn and masturbation is no different to any other personal pursuits in that there is nothing particularly unhealthy or problematic about it unless it gets out of hand.
Porn and masturbation - like just about anything else in life - is fine in moderation and problematic if it gets out of hand. And the huge majority of people engage with it without any issues or problems. A small minority of people allow it to develop into a problem.
And often when something gets out of hand - like porn or alcohol or gambling - it is not that the thing itself was the problem. But the thing itself is a symptom of another problem. But those people who are out to demonize something like porn or alcohol will of course ignore such nuance.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »Sure - but it would be nice to get some well thought out and evidenced perspectives and disagreements sometimes.
As opposed to - for example - someone claiming based on nothing a link between porn and masturbation and Erectile Dysfunction - who then posts a link to an article that says _exactly_ the opposite because they did not read any more of the article than the title and simply guessed what it said inside
So we need to weed out the informed perspectives from the biased ones. Porn and masturbation is no different to any other personal pursuits in that there is nothing particularly unhealthy or problematic about it unless it gets out of hand.
Porn and masturbation - like just about anything else in life - is fine in moderation and problematic if it gets out of hand. And the huge majority of people engage with it without any issues or problems. A small minority of people allow it to develop into a problem.
And often when something gets out of hand - like porn or alcohol or gambling - it is not that the thing itself was the problem. But the thing itself is a symptom of another problem. But those people who are out to demonize something like porn or alcohol will of course ignore such nuance.
Well said !
"Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn
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Japanese, for me, Rugg! In fact, if I ever happen upon 'white' porn, these days? It usually somewhere between completely leaves me cold or flat out disgusts me.
More plastic than the seven seas. More ink per square foot than a newspaper. No thanks.0 -
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Now we're talking!
Granted, those types Do tend to be a million miles away from the stereotypical 'Porn Stars' of today. I actually have a mate who's always favoured the 'Housewife' look ~ what ever that is?
I've been pondering all this, as I've gone about my day. Firstly, I'd like to point out that I Love Japanese girls. Full stop The 'Mongol' appearance does it for me. Doesn't have to be remotely sexual.
Them seeming bored? Dunno. Bored looking chicks don't do it for me. I've seen enough of that in 'white' porn.
Seeming in pain? Yeah. I think that's a 'cultural' thing. Maybe a later add on, for the camera? I reckon Japanese male audiences appreciate that. No idea what Japanese girls traditionally behave like in bed.
Let's not forget the bondage too. Jap's are crazy for tying girls up. Extremely good at it too. Very intricate looking rope work. Does absolutely naff all for me.
And, of course; The whole school uniform thing. Possibly seguing into that Hentai and Anime (?) Again; Nothing to do with me.
What I like about Jap Porn is simply the facial appearance of the girls. I find many of them incredibly attractive. I'm a sucker for dark hair. And, most of them never appear to show a trace of 'conventional' make up. (Phew! Collar's warming up as it is!)
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I can't account for what you've watched
How about you contribute to the thread by tell us what you like, and why?
He knows what he wants, and he wants it now...Mister Vain wrote: »Can't beat the dirty British girls like the ones in Fake Taxi.0 -
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Seeming in pain? Yeah. I think that's a 'cultural' thing. Maybe a later add on, for the camera? I reckon Japanese male audiences appreciate that. No idea what Japanese girls traditionally behave like in bed.
In traditional Asian culture, including Japan, submission is a major thing for women. The man is supposed to be control of just about everything, including sex. After all, for a very long time, the pleasure in sex was for a man to receive, and there was the belief that many women didn't enjoy it. A stereotype reinforced by women themselves, but it factored into teaching younger women that sex was a duty rather than an enjoyable experience to share.
So, with traditional Japanese women, as with traditional anywhere in Asia, they'll be very submissive, will accept anything you do to them, and essentially, lay there like dead wood. Which is why the role reversal of women taking control became such a big thing in the 60s/70s (in porn), although there still continued the heavy rope bondage of women throughout that period.
However, things have changed a lot, and Japanese women are far more aware of their sexuality now. Traditional women, or those who want to appear traditional, will continue to suggest being submissive, but they tend to take far more interest in sex than previous generations. At the same time though, there's a rather large number of Japanese who have sworn off sex entirely.
Japanese male audiences are interested in dominating their partners, since status is so important. It's the same with Korea where rape and domination porn are extremely popular.
Still, I had a Japanese girlfriend ages ago, and she.. was more than willing to take the initiative and suggest various oddball things to try. They're a very interesting culture sexually.Let's not forget the bondage too. Jap's are crazy for tying girls up. Extremely good at it too. Very intricate looking rope work. Does absolutely naff all for me.
Don't dismiss it until you try it. The rope bondage chairs suspended from the ceiling, make for some very interesting experiences. For the Japanese, part of the attraction is for how the body/skin alters appearance due to the ropes.. Doesn't interest me, but some bondage can be a lot of fun with the right partner.. besides the noises that Japanese (and most Asians) make during different kinds of sex, can be a turn on, all by itself.And, of course; The whole school uniform thing. Possibly seguing into that Hentai and Anime (?) Again; Nothing to do with me.
Again depends on your partner. I've done a fair bit of cosplay roleplay sex, and it can be hilarious, while being extremely erotic.
Overall, a lot of the things aren't quite the same when you think about it, vs what they're like when you experience them firsthand.What I like about Jap Porn is simply the facial appearance of the girls. I find many of them incredibly attractive. I'm a sucker for dark hair. And, most of them never appear to show a trace of 'conventional' make up. (Phew! Collar's warming up as it is!)
Much more fun, having a chat, than exchanging sound bites
Ahh well, one of the main reasons I live in Asia, is because I love the Black hair, dark eyes, slim build appearance, which is extremely common here. Highly recommend staying in Asia for a few months. If sex is the thing, I'd actually suggest Korea to you over Japan. Plenty of Japanese living there, and they're where Japan used to be with sex. Japan is going through too many sexual revolutions and the embracing of really weird crap.. which is affecting their perception about sex. Overall, Korea offers better opportunities, although Japan is still really good for meeting women.0 -
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I've heard good things about sexsiopa.ie
I think prostate stimulation is the closest a man will ever get to the kind of intensity of orgasms that women have
Yep, I can attest that is completely true.
A good prostate massage is amazing. There are some excellent prostate massage toys that all men can safely and easily use, all available online. I myself prefer my dildo or the penis of another man. 0 -
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JupiterKid wrote: »Yep, I can attest that is completely true.
A good prostate massage is amazing. There are some excellent prostate massage toys that all men can safely and easily use, all available online. I myself prefer my dildo or the penis of another man.
Each to their own
Before I shell out €50 odd or more would be good to get a recommendation on a massage toy. It won't be a dildo or another lads lad for me lol.0 -
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