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Unquiet graves RTE 1 tonight.....9.30pm
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Just because you glory in murder and killing doesn't mean the rest of us do.0 -
I wonder who it is, Charlie or Harris?
https://twitter.com/sean_murray1/status/1312801724764164098/photo/10 -
Yeah, they were a bunch of saints.......
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/may/17/military.iraq1
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/29/winston-churchill-policies-contributed-to-1943-bengal-famine-study?CMP=fb_gu&fbclid=IwAR1EUDX1H85aR5PISmFby1JqKRwnD-SzFetufTA-6eUgrq4_bkeT0Vnw4is
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/aug/18/uncovering-truth-british-empire-caroline-elkins-mau-mau
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v27/n05/bernard-porter/how-did-they-get-away-with-it
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47358602
No mention of school massacres or torturing of women or children in those articles.
As for the Bengal famine, the Japs brought that about by conquering Burma and aiming for India. Furthermore, the Japs had submarines sinking ships in the Indian Ocean.0 -
Well they did turn some schools in kenya into concentration camps where they tortured and butchered civilians.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-49363653
Many Kenyan men were tortured there. But the British didn't target women or children. The Mau Mau killed more Kenyan civilians than the British did.0 -
political analyst wrote: »Many Kenyan men were tortured there. But the British didn't target women or children. The Mau Mau killed more Kenyan civilians than the British did.
Absolutely bogus. There were many accounts of the rape and murder of civilian Kenyan women and children by the British during the anti-Mau Mau campaign.
Not sure why that extremely dark and revealing chapter in the dying days of Empire is worth defending.
In the politics of selective condemnation, I guess some people are more dead than others.0 -
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FrancieBrady wrote: »Charlie being put back in his partitionist hat doffing box.
https://www.irishlegal.com/article/ex-justice-minister-rebuked-over-attack-on-rt-documentary-screening?fbclid=IwAR2Vn6io9MIyX8WvGZ0XsKcsH0idyM1FkGUpX0aueBYJIZnxqUD91CqHpNM
What has criticism of the documentary got to do with the rule of law?0 -
political analyst wrote: »What has criticism of the documentary got to do with the rule of law?
do you mean his doubting info from someone who has been classed by the courts as reliable?0 -
political analyst wrote: »No mention of school massacres or torturing of women or children in those articles.political analyst wrote: »Many Kenyan men were tortured there. But the British didn't target women or children
They did indeed torture women and children
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22797624
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2016/5/5/we-are-the-mau-mau-kenyans-share-stories-of-torturepolitical analyst wrote: »As for the Bengal famine, the Japs brought that about by conquering Burma and aiming for India. Furthermore, the Japs had submarines sinking ships in the Indian Ocean.
It's universally recognised that the British and Churchill specifically was responsible. As an aside, India has not suffered a famine since independence.0 -
Charlie had no issue with convicted murderer Brendan the dark Hughes when he made his allegations against Adams, which seems to be his problem with Weirs assertions, that he is a convicted murderer.
Disturbing that anyone could re traumatize innocent victims the way he did let alone a former minister for justice.0 -
political analyst wrote: »No mention of school massacres or torturing of women or children in those articles.
As for the Bengal famine, the Japs brought that about by conquering Burma and aiming for India. Furthermore, the Japs had submarines sinking ships in the Indian Ocean.
not mentioning specific actions in an article doesn't change the fact they happened.
the Bengal famine was a policy of britain to force the indians to stay part of the empire. yes japan were sinking ships, but ultimately it was britain who decided to completely remove food supplies from the area as a way of stopping indian independence.political analyst wrote: »Many Kenyan men were tortured there. But the British didn't target women or children. The Mau Mau killed more Kenyan civilians than the British did.
there were massacres and torturing of women and children, this is established fact.ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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golfball37 wrote: »Charlie had no issue with convicted murderer Brendan the dark Hughes when he made his allegations against Adams, which seems to be his problem with Weirs assertions, that he is a convicted murderer.
Disturbing that anyone could re traumatize innocent victims the way he did let alone a former minister for justice.
Flanagan criticised the documentary - he didn't attack the victims.
Many people who were never members of the Provisional IRA have said Adams was in it.0 -
They did indeed torture women and children
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22797624
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2016/5/5/we-are-the-mau-mau-kenyans-share-stories-of-torture
It's universally recognised that the British and Churchill specifically was responsible. As an aside, India has not suffered a famine since independence.
The Japs brought it about by being on the verge of invading India. Furthermore, there was also a natural disaster at the time. Britain was fighting for its survival at the time. After all, D-Day had not yet taken place.0 -
political analyst wrote: »The Japs brought it about by being on the verge of invading India. Furthermore, there was also a natural disaster at the time. Britain was fighting for its survival at the time. After all, D-Day had not yet taken place.
Again - thats a minority narrative that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Do you admit you were wrong with regard to the treatment of women an children by the British in Kenya?0 -
political analyst wrote: »Flanagan criticised the documentary - he didn't attack the victims.
Many people who were never members of the Provisional IRA have said Adams was in it.
He traumatized them again by questioning the validity of what they believe or who they believe was responsible for the deaths of their loved ones. I never said he attacked them.
It’s what SF people do with Ira victims and the fact he can’t see that or others can’t is disturbing0 -
So for the third time you refuse to answer a very simple question as to whether or not you would go to the Gardai with information about who the loyalist terrorists were that planted bombs that killed your fellow Irish citizens. I find that stunning really.
A new question for you blanch- are you a sympathiser of loyalist terrorism against Irish citizens?
Save me going over this thread again, but did blanch ever answer this, or has he scarpered with his tail between his legs?
Half a dozen times being asked - and radio silence?
For a man who hates violence and wants nothing more than to see justice done his silence has me scratching the beard, I might as well tell ya. *shrugs*0 -
Save me going over this thread again, but did blanch ever answer this, or has he scarpered with his tail between his legs?
Half a dozen times being asked - and radio silence?
For a man who hates violence and wants nothing more than to see justice done his silence has me scratching the beard, I might as well tell ya. *shrugs*
I know McMurphy, it is actually astoinishing. He was asked a very, very simple question on whether or not he would go to the Gardai with information on who murdered 33 Irish citizens. I can only take his refusal to answer such a simple question as his tacit support for loyalist terrorism, like why else would you not go to the Gardai with information on who murdered 33 people? What possible reason could you have for not doing that? Thats what I find really eye opening here.
To put this into context the Dublin Monaghan bombings were the single biggest atrocity ever committed on Irish soil. They were four car bombs delibritely set to go off at rush hour to cause maximum casulties, the timing of the three bombs in Dublin was 5.28pm, 5.30pm and 5.32pm. It was three car bombs in the space of four minutes on the streets of Dublin with another an hour later in Monaghan. Some people were running away from the first car bomb and got hit by the second one. Over 300 people were seriously injured with many ending up as amputees. Of the 33 who died their ages ranged from an unborn full term baby up to an 80 year old pensioner who lived in Dublin 1 and had served in the British Army.
This is the list of victims who died, 33 people who were just out shopping or heading home from work until they got murdered by loyalist terrorismPatrick Askin (44): Forestry worker, married, Glaslough, Co Monaghan. Killed in the Monaghan bomb. Survived by his wife, Patricia and four young children: sons Paul and Patrick, aged 6 and 7 and two-year-old twin daughters, Sonia and Sharon.
Josie Bradley (21): Civil servant, single, Coolfin, Kilcormack, Co Offaly. Killed in Talbot Street, Dublin. Survived by her parents, May and Chris, twin sister, Marian and eight other siblings.
Marie Butler (21): Temporarily employed as a shop assistant at Clery's while awaiting a nursing place at Sir Patrick Dun's Hospital, single. Villierstown, Cappoquin, Co Waterford. Killed in Parnell Street, Dublin. Survived by her mother, Mary.
Anne Byrne (35): Housewife married, Donaghmede, Dublin. Killed in Talbot Street while on a shopping trip. Survived by her husband, Michael, and two children: Michelle aged 8 and Trevor, aged 4.
Thomas Campbell (52): Agricultural worker, single, Silverstream, Co Monaghan. Killed in Monaghan. Survived by his mother and sister, Mary, also two stepsisters. His mother never recovered from the shock of his death and died six weeks later.
Simone Chetrit (30): A French citizen visiting Ireland with a number of other French students on an English language course. She was due to return to her home in Paris the following morning.
She was single and was survived by her parents, brothers Elie, Maurice, Marcel and Albert and sister, Yvette. She was killed in Talbot Street.
Thomas Croarkin (36): Agricultural worker, single, Tyholland, Co Monaghan.
Seriously injured in Monaghan and survived until July 24th, 1974, when he died in the Richmond Hospital, Dublin. Survived by his mother and seven siblings.
John Dargle (80): John was a pensioner, who lived alone at Portland Row, Ballybough, Dublin. He had served in the British army and was working at the Corporation Fruit Market in Dublin. He was killed in the Parnell Street bombing.
Concepta Dempsey (65): A shop-assistant at Guiney's, Talbot Street, Concepta was single, and lived at Chord Road, Drogheda, Co Louth.
She was seriously injured in Talbot Street and survived until June 11th when she died in the Mater hospital, Dublin. She was survived by five nieces and nephews: Vincent, Deirdre, Gertie, Raymond and Aidan.
Collette and Baby Doherty (21): Colette ran a shop in Sheriff Street with her husband John. She was nine months pregnant when she was killed in Talbot Street. She was survived by her husband, John, daughter, Wendy, aged 22 months, her parents, Michael and Winifred and siblings. Wendy was with her when she was killed and was found wandering an hour later, relatively unharmed.
Patrick Fay (47): He was employed in the GPO, married, a native of Ardee, Co Louth, he lived in Artane, Dublin. He was survived by his wife, Maura and only son, Pat, who had moved to live in London. He was killed in Parnell Street, having just filled his car with petrol at Westbrook Motors.
Elizabeth Fitzgerald (59): She had lived with her husband, Christopher in Phibsboro, Dublin. Both were injured in the Talbot Street bombing. She survived until May 19th, 1974, while her husband, Christopher, recovered in the Mater hospital.
Breda Grace (35): Married, housewife and living in Portmarnock, originally from Tralee, Co Kerry. She was survived by her husband, Tim and 12- month-old son, Edward. Breda was killed in Talbot Street.
Archie Harper (73): An active man who still ran a farm and family pub in his native Co Monaghan. He was survived by his wife and only daughter, Iris. He was injured in the Monaghan bombing and died on the following Tuesday night, May 21st, at 11.45 p.m.
Antonio Magliocco (37): Italian citizen. Restaurant owner, survived by his wife, Anna, and three young children, Tommassino, Corrado and Marinella. He was a native of Casalattico, near Cassino, in Italy. He was killed instantly in the explosion in Parnell Street, while visiting his brother Mario's restaurant. His wife and family moved back to Italy a number of years after his death, but his brothers and sisters remained in Ireland.
May McKenna (55): Originally from Monaghan and Dungannon, Co Tyrone, but lived in Talbot Street (over O'Neill's Shoe Shop). She was employed at Clery's. She was survived by her sister, Margaret McNicholl, brother-in-law and three nephews. May was killed instantly in the Talbot Street explosion.
Anne Marren (20): Worked in Department of Posts and Telegraphs in Hawkins Street. She was a native of Lavagh, Ballymote, Co Sligo. She was survived by her father, two sisters and two brothers. Anne was killed in the Talbot Street explosion.
Anna Massey (21): Worked at Lisney's auctioneers and from Sallynoggin, Dublin. Anne was the eldest of seven girls and was a twin. She was survived by her parents, Frank and Annie, and sisters.
She was engaged to be married and her wedding was due to take place in July 1974. Anna was killed in the South Leinster Street explosion.
Dorothy Morris (57): Employed at Cadbury's, Dorothy had five siblings and lived all her life in Kimmage with her mother and sister, Georgina. She was killed in the Talbot Street explosion.
O'Brien Family - John O'Brien (24), Anna O'Brien (22), Jacqueline (17 months) and Anne-Marie(5 months): Lived in Gardiner Street, originally from Finglas. John worked in Palm Grove, the ice-cream factory. This entire family was killed in the Parnell Street explosion.
Christina O'Loughlin (51): Worked in the Shelbourne Hotel as a French polisher. Resided in Townsend Street, Dublin. She was survived by her husband, Kevin and two adult sons, Kevin junior and Pius. Christina was killed in the South Leinster Street explosion.
Edward John O'Neill (39): Self-employed painter and decorator who lived in Dominick Street with his wife, Martha and five children: Denise, Angela, Billy, Edward jnr and Niall. Edward was killed and his two young sons were seriously injured in the Parnell Street bombing. His wife gave birth to a still-born daughter three months after his death.
Baby Martha O'Neill (still-born): Stillborn child of Edward and Martha O'Neill, born in August 1974.
Marie Phelan (20): Worked in the civil service. Originally from Ballyvoreen, Woodstown, Co Waterford and living in Dublin. Survived by her parents, Kitty and Billy, and brothers, Pat and Anthony. Marie was killed in the Talbot Street explosion.
Siobhán Roice (19): Worked in the civil service. Originally from Thomas Street, Wexford town and living in Dublin. She was survived by her parents, Johanna and Edward, sisters Aileen and Elizabeth and brother James. Siobhán was killed in the Talbot Street explosion.
Maureen Shields (46): Originally from Hollyford, Co Tipperary, Maureen moved to Dublin where she worked in the civil service until her marriage to Leo in 1953. They had one son and two daughters. Maureen was killed in the Talbot Street explosion.
Jack Travers (28): Self- employed, single and from Park Street, Monaghan town. Jack still lived with his family and was very athletic. He was engaged to be married. Survived by his parents, brother Jim, sisters and fiancée. Jack was killed in the explosion in North Street, Monaghan.
Breda Turner: Worked in the civil service, in the income tax office. She was engaged to be married the following Easter.
Originally from Thurles, Co Tipperary, she had moved to Dublin and was survived by her parents, Biddy and Jimmy, and brother and sisters. She was killed in the Parnell Street explosion.
John Walshe (27): Single, from Crumlin, Dublin. He was survived by his father and mother, sisters Anne and Mary and girlfriend Joan. He was killed in the Talbot Street explosion.
Peggy White (45): Part-time restaurant worker. She was survived by her husband, Joe, a daughter and three young sons. She lived in Belgium Park, Monaghan town.
Peggy was injured in the bomb in North Road, Monaghan, and died on the night of the bombing.
George Williamson (72): A bachelor farmer from Castleshane, Co Monaghan.
George was survived by his sister Margaret and two brothers, Isaiah and Jesse, as well as nieces and nephews. He was killed in the explosion in North Road, Monaghan.
I find it astonishing that anyone could have knowledge of who was responsible for murdering all those people in cold blood yet would refuse to tell the Gardai who was responsible. I actually feel sick to the stomach even thinking of all those people and their families who have never even got justice for the murder of their loved ones. And then to think there is actually people out there who would actively seek to deny it to them, it is truly disgusting.0 -
I know McMurphy, it is actually astoinishing. He was asked a very, very simple question on whether or not he would go to the Gardai with information on who murdered 33 Irish citizens. I can only take his refusal to answer such a simple question as his tacit support for loyalist terrorism, like why else would you not go to the Gardai with information on who murdered 33 people? What possible reason could you have for not doing that? Thats what I find really eye opening here.
To put this into context the Dublin Monaghan bombings were the single biggest atrocity ever committed on Irish soil. They were four car bombs delibritely set to go off at rush hour to cause maximum casulties, the timing of the three bombs in Dublin was 5.28pm, 5.30pm and 5.32pm. It was three car bombs in the space of four minutes on the streets of Dublin with another an hour later in Monaghan. Some people were running away from the first car bomb and got hit by the second one. Over 300 people were seriously injured with many ending up as amputees. Of the 33 who died their ages ranged from an unborn full term baby up to an 80 year old pensioner who lived in Dublin 1 and had served in the British Army.
This is the list of victims who died, 33 people who were just out shopping or heading home from work until they got murdered by loyalist terrorism
I find it astonishing that anyone could have knowledge of who was responsible for murdering all those people in cold blood yet would refuse to tell the Gardai who was responsible. I actually feel sick to the stomach even thinking of all those people and their families who have never even got justice for the murder of their loved ones. And then to think there is actually people out there who would actively seek to deny it to them, it is truly disgusting.
Relatives of these victims who wanted answers from government as to what was known were blackened by the state here. Visits from the heavy gang and everything. Shameful stuff0 -
golfball37 wrote: »Relatives of these victims who wanted answers from government as to what was known were blackened by the state here. Visits from the heavy gang and everything. Shameful stuff
Absolutely true. And it was more than 'visits'. Houses ransacked and aggressive handling of women and young children.
The Heavy Gang, the governments attempts at inclusive and democratic governance.
The ghost of Conor Cruise still stalks the land in the utterances of the last few bitter and fearful partitionists on here.0 -
political analyst wrote: »Flanagan criticised the documentary - he didn't attack the victims.
Many people who were never members of the Provisional IRA have said Adams was in it.
they have yes .
however as adams has not been brought before the courts and found guilty of a charge in relation to being a member of the IRA, he has said he is not a member, and one is innocent until proven guilty before the law, he is not a member of the IRA until proven otherwise.political analyst wrote: »The Japs brought it about by being on the verge of invading India. Furthermore, there was also a natural disaster at the time. Britain was fighting for its survival at the time. After all, D-Day had not yet taken place.
nope, britain deliberately withheld food supplies from the area to break the resolve of the indians who wanted independence from the british empire.
yes, japan caused some difficulties across areas where it was engaging in war activity but ultimately the famine was not in any way caused by them.
the famine was absolutely, definitely, catigorically, 100% british organised and sanctioned, that is established fact.ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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I know McMurphy, it is actually astoinishing. He was asked a very, very simple question on whether or not he would go to the Gardai with information on who murdered 33 Irish citizens. I can only take his refusal to answer such a simple question as his tacit support for loyalist terrorism, like why else would you not go to the Gardai with information on who murdered 33 people? What possible reason could you have for not doing that? Thats what I find really eye opening here.
To put this into context the Dublin Monaghan bombings were the single biggest atrocity ever committed on Irish soil. They were four car bombs delibritely set to go off at rush hour to cause maximum casulties, the timing of the three bombs in Dublin was 5.28pm, 5.30pm and 5.32pm. It was three car bombs in the space of four minutes on the streets of Dublin with another an hour later in Monaghan. Some people were running away from the first car bomb and got hit by the second one. Over 300 people were seriously injured with many ending up as amputees. Of the 33 who died their ages ranged from an unborn full term baby up to an 80 year old pensioner who lived in Dublin 1 and had served in the British Army.
This is the list of victims who died, 33 people who were just out shopping or heading home from work until they got murdered by loyalist terrorism
I find it astonishing that anyone could have knowledge of who was responsible for murdering all those people in cold blood yet would refuse to tell the Gardai who was responsible. I actually feel sick to the stomach even thinking of all those people and their families who have never even got justice for the murder of their loved ones. And then to think there is actually people out there who would actively seek to deny it to them, it is truly disgusting.
One word - pathetic.
You are really losing it now, linking my ignoring a silly question to somehow having knowledge of a despicable crime. Of all the smearing attempts on here, that is the lowest of the low.
I was there that day in Dublin, with my mother. I experienced the fear that terrorism can bring, you disgust me with your faux concern for victims, from your safe perch you never experienced anything like that.0 -
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One word - pathetic.
You are really losing it now, linking my ignoring a silly question to somehow having knowledge of a despicable crime. Of all the smearing attempts on here, that is the lowest of the low.
I was there that day in Dublin, with my mother. I experienced the fear that terrorism can bring, you disgust me with your faux concern for victims, from your safe perch you never experienced anything like that.
Gonna answer the question or not?0 -
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One word - pathetic.
You are really losing it now, linking my ignoring a silly question to somehow having knowledge of a despicable crime. Of all the smearing attempts on here, that is the lowest of the low.
I was there that day in Dublin, with my mother. I experienced the fear that terrorism can bring, you disgust me with your faux concern for victims, from your safe perch you never experienced anything like that.
This is interesting.
Might be a fine time to reword the question so.
Blanch, if you had information on who was responsible for the bombing in our state that killed 33 Irish citizens, and that you and your mother were caught up in, would you bring that information to the relevant authorities?
I assume "yes" would be your natural answer, but you seem "reluctant to answer"*
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One word - pathetic.
You are really losing it now, linking my ignoring a silly question to somehow having knowledge of a despicable crime. Of all the smearing attempts on here, that is the lowest of the low.
I was there that day in Dublin, with my mother. I experienced the fear that terrorism can bring, you disgust me with your faux concern for victims, from your safe perch you never experienced anything like that.
Oh I dont think I'm the one losing it here blanch, all I asked was a very simple hypothetical question that I didnt think anybody would have a difficulty in answering in the affirmative. But given your consistent deflection of an easy question to answer for anyone who finds terrorism abhorrent it seems I was wrong in that regard. I must say I find it interesting that you condemn IRA terrorism on one hand but then on the other hand you appear to acquiesce to loyalist terrorism, its quite the eye opener to say the least.
And then things get even stranger now you've said that the UVF literally attempted to murder you and your mother with three separate car bombs in city centre Dublin. I would have thought that anyone who was the target of terrorism would want the perpetrators brought to justice. But when asked if this is so for some strange reason you cannot answer a very simple question in the affirmative and instead choose to deflect. Something is not adding up here, thats for sure.
Maybe if you could just answer the question you could clear it up. Would that be so difficult?0 -
Oh I dont think I'm the one losing it here blanch, all I asked was a very simple hypothetical question that I didnt think anybody would have a difficulty in answering in the affirmative. But given your consistent deflection of an easy question to answer for anyone who finds terrorism abhorrent it seems I was wrong in that regard. I must say I find it interesting that you condemn IRA terrorism on one hand but then on the other hand you appear to acquiesce to loyalist terrorism, its quite the eye opener to say the least.
And then things get even stranger now you've said that the UVF literally attempted to murder you and your mother with three separate car bombs in city centre Dublin. I would have thought that anyone who was the target of terrorism would want the perpetrators brought to justice. But when asked if this is so for some strange reason you cannot answer a very simple question in the affirmative and instead choose to deflect. Something is not adding up here, thats for sure.
Maybe if you could just answer the question you could clear it up. Would that be so difficult?
Where did I say that they attempted to murder me? I said I was there that day in Dublin, and I experienced the fear that terrorism can bring but I wasn't in the immediate vicinity of the bombs, well I don't think I was, but too young to be completely familiar with where I was. It is one of the things that has stuck with me from a young age.
Why wouldn't I go to the guards with any information I had on any crime? The question has been very strange, because I don't conceive of situations where you don't tell the guards information. Really struggling to understand why there is a question.0 -
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The State had the names of the bombers within days. No shortage of Protestants in NI who were disgusted by the bombs and passed the information to the Gardai. Also, don't forget the other bombings in the Republic that killed innocent people and are forgotten now.0
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He'll be on Nolan next ffs
I'm currently browsing this thread for the first time and really enjoying it (and also getting depressed by how ****ed up it is).
Nolan did some good work bringing the realities of what the Shankill Butchers did to light IIRC. He seemed to ask more difficult questions about the subject than someone with his background normally would.
I think it's him who gave Jimmy Nesbitt some probing questions that made him uncomfortable about his own complicity in not bringing them to justice sooner.0 -
If you knew who the loyalist terrorists were who planted the Dublin and Monaghan bombs that killed 33 Irish citizens would you take that information to the Gardai?[/QUOTE]
For info: the Gardai knew within a very short time who planted and triggered the bombs. The list of those, in Loyalist circles, who were capable of making, tranporting and then triggering the bombs was very small and those people were, as they say, "known to Gardai" and the British security forces. Whether they were under surveillance at the time, I have no idea. In case anyone has forgotten, there were other Loyalist bombs in the Republic that killed people.0 -
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If you knew who the loyalist terrorists were who planted the Dublin and Monaghan bombs that killed 33 Irish citizens would you take that information to the Gardai?
For info: the Gardai knew within a very short time who planted and triggered the bombs. The list of those, in Loyalist circles, who were capable of making, tranporting and then triggering the bombs was very small and those people were, as they say, "known to Gardai" and the British security forces. Whether they were under surveillance at the time, I have no idea. In case anyone has forgotten, there were other Loyalist bombs in the Republic that killed people.[/QUOTE]
The story of the Belturbet bomb (forgotten because of the Dublin/Monaghan ones) is on RTE on Monday evening.0
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