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Socialist throws a smoothie on Varadkar

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    #452
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,555 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    landofthetree wrote:
    But without its free market ideology it would be a dump.


    Again, what? Once again, the majority of land and property is publically owned and almost a quarter of its gdp comes from publically owned enterprises!


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    #453
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Danzy wrote: »
    Given her politics and actions, that was a given.

    Do you know many low/no income right wingers? You do get the odd racist, but there's more to the right than that.


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    #454
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    All I can say honestly is.... why? What's the point exactly. Waste of a good coffee tbh.


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    #455
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,555 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    landofthetree wrote:
    They increased public spending by 12 billion since 2016.

    Yup, but they are still economically conservative
    landofthetree wrote:
    PBP Sol SF .

    Say wha? I've never heard these parties talking about communism, socialism yes, but communism, no. I wouldn't be overly concerned about them anyway, if they even manage to get into government, they'll have fcuk all power anyway

    Are you sure you know what you're talking about


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    #456
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    The political left fcuked itself up by getting into bed with all this free market nonsense, it's now completely fcuked, it abandoned it's base, it has no idea what it stands for, no idea what to do, it owes it's base an apology!

    Which is why it was ripe for the take over by fringe regressive race baiters and oddballs.


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    #457
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Bowie wrote: »
    FG are right wing. FF are chancers who lean where the money is.

    I define right wing as lack of empathy bordering on disdain for the low income tax payer and crony behaviour erring on the side of business over the tax payer. FG have that in spades.

    FG arent right wing.

    Gay marriage
    Pro abortion

    Our low income workers pay little tax because of the policies of FG and FF.

    18000 euros a year in Ireland has an effective tax rate of 3%. In Germany in 26%.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/personal-finance/low-income-worker-ireland-has-smallest-tax-burden-for-low-paid-1.3633502?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fpersonal-finance%2Flow-income-worker-ireland-has-smallest-tax-burden-for-low-paid-1.3633502


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    #458
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,555 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    landofthetree wrote:
    FG arent right wing.


    Once again, both ffg are traditionally economically conservative, particularly fg


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    #459
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Yup, but they are still economically conservative



    Say wha? I've never heard these parties talking about communism, socialism yes, but communism, no. I wouldn't be overly concerned about them anyway, if they even manage to get into government, they'll have fcuk all power anyway

    Are you sure you know what you're talking about

    They want to nationalise and own the means of all production. Thats communist.


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    #460
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Once again, both ffg are traditionally economically conservative, particularly fg



    They have almost doubled spending since 2011. :rolleyes:


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    #461
    MOH
    Registered Users Posts: 6,465 ✭✭✭MOH


    Could somebody change the thread title to something remotely accurate?


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    #462
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Bowie wrote: »
    You didn't understand.

    Oh I understood alright ..

    It's fine for you "progressives" to label your bogey men, but when those who disagree with you do similar, then suddenly it's an issue.


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    #463
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,555 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    landofthetree wrote:
    They want to nationalise and own the means of all production. Thats communist.


    Not necessarily true, and not truly possible in my opinion, and it's also kinna dump, but some public options would also be good, I do think we should encourage the growth of industries such as co-ops, and give them the same level of protectionism as industries such as mnc's etc, and of course other public services such as public banks


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    #464
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Not necessarily true, and not truly possible in my opinion, and it's also kinna dump, but some public options would also be good, I do think we should encourage the growth of industries such as co-ops, and give them the same level of protectionism as industries such as mnc's etc, and of course other public services such as public banks

    We had co ops. But the share holders sold out.


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    #465
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,555 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    landofthetree wrote:
    They have almost doubled spending since 2011.


    Yup, and they better start blowing out that deficit fairly quickly, or we re all truly fcuked, particularly the private sector


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    #466
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,555 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    landofthetree wrote:
    We had co ops. But the share holders sold out.


    Yup I agree, we should encourage them again, but protectionism is critical, as it is with mnc's


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    #467
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 8,098 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Infini wrote: »
    All I can say honestly is.... why? What's the point exactly. Waste of a good coffee tbh.

    As much as the man irritates me sometimes there's no excuse for that carry on in all fairness.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #468
    TheRiverman
    Registered Users Posts: 6,174 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    Strumms wrote: »
    His security are the Gardai, or should be. Here we have the deputy head of the state giving an interview in a public place, a person walks up to him from a distance, with something in her hand. There are approximately 14 seconds from the start of the video until the assault. She is walking directly and deliberately for him from second 1 to 14. Not one single person from the time the scumbag enters the film on the left until the assault occurs attempts to prevent the assault. Nobody at least on camera is attempting to prevent her escape.

    If it was acid, if she had a knife ? Yep, I detest the guy as a politician but that’s bollocks.

    Who makes the call on security for political people at this level. ? Gardai, politicians themselves ? Needs to be a situation where politicians have zero say unless it’s to increase their protection but they should be of no ability to decrease it.... they have been elected to do a job FOR the people of the country...they need to get with the program and provide themselves and in turn the people of this country with a safe environment in which to do this work.

    She had a knife, Leo is dead... no debate about that...this fûcking jokeshop Garda mob and certainly Leo too need to up their game... the psychology of life at present means a danger to him and anybody holding that office is at its highest since the troubles....need to be careful.

    He is not the Deputy Head Of State.Our President is Head Of State.There is no Deputy Head of State or Vice President.The Taoiseach is Prime Minister.
    The Tanaiste who is Leo Varadkar at present is Deputy Prime Minister.


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    #469
    Danzy
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    Bowie wrote: »
    Do you know many low/no income right wingers? You do get the odd racist, but there's more to the right than that.

    The left has largely ceded the working class to whomever.

    Lot of that was down to snobbery, not wanting to listen to the proles disagreeing.

    As the modern left becomes even more upper middle class, it views are diverging further from the working class.

    I always voted left but that was when the left were able to relate to people and were against priests instead of being them.


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    #470
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Strumms wrote: »
    Gardai ARE responsible, read my post again. Better still, do some research.

    Enlighten me


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    #471
    pgj2015
    Registered Users Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Do you ever think there will be a time in Ireland when the woke/BLM/work shy hippies outnumber the people who prefer to work for what they have than look for everything for free? That would be my worst nightmare.


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    #472
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,555 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    pgj2015 wrote:
    Do you ever think there will be a time in Ireland when the woke/BLM/work shy hippies outnumber the people who prefer to work for what they have than look for everything for free? That would be my worst nightmare.

    What's the woke? No, the majority of irish citizens are hard working folks, and thankfully only minorities are subjected to long term unemployment, and as always, the majority of citizens pay taxes, including the unemployed


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    #473
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Saoradh is a party,which may suit yous

    If they can survive the unprecentened attack by the british security forces againest a political party.......pretty much impossible for left leaning parties to exist,when any startup is subject to relentless attack by liberials arresting its members

    Its a disgrace,everyone turned a blindeye to what happened there imo

    I have no problem with Saoradh.


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    #474
    pgj2015
    Registered Users Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    What's the woke? No, the majority of irish citizens are hard working folks, and thankfully only minorities are subjected to long term unemployment, and as always, the majority of citizens pay taxes, including the unemployed


    what do you mean by that?


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    #475
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Danzy wrote: »
    The left has largely ceded the working class to whomever.

    Lot of that was down to snobbery, not wanting to listen to the proles disagreeing.

    As the modern left becomes even more upper middle class, it views are diverging further from the working class.

    I always voted left but that was when the left were able to relate to people and were against priests instead of being them.

    When you flood the place with migrants wages go down.

    Even the central bank admitted that.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/jobs/not-enough-migrants-arriving-to-keep-pay-down-central-bank-38356212.html

    Working class people suffer the most when migrants come in large numbers.


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    #476
    [Deleted User]
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Brings all the boys to the yard though.

    Stay classy my American friend.


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    #477
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    what do you mean by that?

    Unemployment rates are very high among certain migrant groups in Ireland.


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    #478
    pgj2015
    Registered Users Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Unemployment rates are very high among certain migrant groups in Ireland.



    They aren't subjected to unemployment though. That is their own choice.


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    #479
    bb1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 5,512 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    The worst part is how confident her walk is and how in the right she obviously thinks she was. Oh how it will all come tumbling down for her. No sympathies there, absolutely no justification for an assault like this


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    #480
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,555 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    pgj2015 wrote:
    what do you mean by that?


    Most citizens have the ability to work, we ve just decided its best to ignore the actual needs of the long term unemployed, it's a dump move, as it's extremely costly, particularly for those working, but shur....


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    #481
    pgj2015
    Registered Users Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Most citizens have the ability to work, we ve just decided its best to ignore the actual needs of the long term unemployed, it's a dump move, as it's extremely costly, particularly for those working, but shur....



    There is a job and education there for anyone in this country if they want it, unless they are unable to work through being disabled or mentally not able for it etc.


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