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Edgware

suicide_circus wrote: »

There are no depths to which they will not sink - and i'm talking both sides.

The hyperbole and vitriol is utterly absurd.

If Trump wins, Americans will live in a right leaning democracy.

If Biden wins, Americans will live in a left leaning democracy.

In both cases the sun will continue to rise every morning, people will go to work and raise their kids.

Do we need old man Biden with his finger on the button?

What.Now

More than ever yes.

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

There are no depths to which they will not sink - and i'm talking both sides.

The hyperbole and vitriol is utterly absurd.

If Trump wins, Americans will live in a right leaning democracy.

If Biden wins, Americans will live in a left leaning democracy.

In both cases the sun will continue to rise every morning, people will go to work and raise their kids.

Joe Biden nor the Democrats are left leaning.

Outlaw Pete

Oh come on. Just on immigration alone the democrats have begun expressing views which historically have only ever been expressed by radical leftists. Also, when it comes to social issues such as equality, identity politics, political correctness etc, the democrats absolutely lean to the left. It's absurd to suggest they do not when we hear it out of their mouths regularly.

When there were calls from the left to defund the police, Biden was quick to appease them with:

"I don’t believe police should be defunded, but I think the conditions should be placed upon them where departments are having to take significant reform relating to that. We should set up a national use-of-force standard. If they don’t sign onto it, then in fact, they don’t get any of the federal money..

The democrats become more leftleaning as each day passes.

Outlaw Pete

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oh come on. Just on immigration alone the democrats have begun expressing views which historically have only ever been expressed by radical leftists. Also, when it comes to social issues such as equality, identity politics, political correctness etc, the democrats absolutely lean to the left. It's absurd to suggest they do not when we hear it out of their mouths regularly.

When there were calls from the left to defund the police, Biden was quick to appease them with:



The democrats become more leftleaning as each day passes.

You may hear it out of their mouth but you never see it acted upon.

Rjd2

Deleted User wrote: »

You may hear it out of their mouth but you never see it acted upon.

The democrats are obviously better than the GOP and I'd vote Biden if I was a yank, but the party which was corporate leaning has been infiltrated and arguably taken by over by Never Trumpers. Biden and his team brag about endorsements from Kasich, Mc Cain etc while ghouls like Frum, Kristol and the ****ing lincoln project (neoconservatism for" liberals") dominate the internet with their support of him.

Those on the right who feel that the Democrats will pivot to the left under Biden are crazy, why the hell is wallstreet lining up to give money to Biden?

Spot on Rjd2.

schmoo2k

Deleted User wrote: »

Joe Biden nor the Democrats are left leaning.

How would you describe the Obama Healthcare act, rightest?

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote: »

Joe Biden nor the Democrats are left leaning.

Don't think you could call Bernie and AOC anything but Left wing.

I know Biden, Pelosi etc wouldn't be as far left but don't think you could call them Right either.

Left and Right becomes relevant in the context of each particular environment.
Left and Right in Ireland is v different to Left and Right in the US for example.

schmoo2k

schmoo2k wrote: »

How would you describe the Obama Healthcare act, rightest?

The individual mandate was originally put forward by the Heritage Foundation (conservative think thank) back in the late 80s/early 90s as the solution to healthcare.

Tony EH

Rjd2 wrote: »

The democrats are obviously better than the GOP and I'd vote Biden if I was a yank, but the party which was corporate leaning has been infiltrated and arguably taken by over by Never Trumpers. Biden and his team brag about endorsements from Kasich, Mc Cain etc while ghouls like Frum, Kristol and the ****ing lincoln project (neoconservatism for" liberals") dominate the internet with their support of him.

Those on the right who feel that the Democrats will pivot to the left under Biden are crazy, why the hell is wallstreet lining up to give money to Biden?

There is no Left in America and the idea that the Democrats are is laughable. Even the likes of Sanders and Cortez are middle-the-roads. The two parties are peas in a pod, made up of liars, charlatans and frauds who lie to fools willing to lap everything up. Both parties are neo-Liberal in their politics, with a hair's breadth ostensibly separating them on minor issues.

I really do pity the floating voter in the States. Their so called political "choices" are routinely appalling and at the end of the day, nothing really changes for the people of the country.

When Bernie Sanders is considered a left wing radical you know just how conservative your political system is.

notobtuse

Allow three days for the Democrats doing nothing but vile lecturing, her and us, under the guise of questioning Amy Coney Barrett, and then vote to confirm the extremely qualified justice to sit on the SCOTUS. Sounds fair to me.

Yellow_Fern

Tony EH wrote: »

There is no Left in America and the idea that the Democrats are is laughable. Even the likes of Sanders and Cortez are middle-the-roads. The two parties are peas in a pod, made up of liars, charlatans and frauds who lie to fools willing to lap everything up. Both parties are neo-Liberal in their politics, with a hair's breadth ostensibly separating them on minor issues.

I really do pity the floating voter in the States. Their so called political "choices" are routinely appalling and at the end of the day, nothing really changes for the people of the country.

Cortez's Green New Deal was pretty left. It is the kind of thing Saoirse McHugh endorses, what she in terviews calls eco-socialism. Sanders also described himself as socialist. He has always endorsed socialist states. he had his honeymoon in the USSR. I am not sure if you can be centre if you call yourself socialist? Maybe if they use the word social democrat but not socialist.

Tony EH

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Cortez's Green New Deal was pretty left. It is the kind of thing Saoirse McHugh endorses, what she in terviews calls eco-socialism. Sanders also described himself as socialist. He has always endorsed socialist states. he had his honeymoon in the USSR. I am not sure if you can be centre if you call yourself socialist? Maybe if they use the word social democrat but not socialist.

It's not what I would call "left". Being green isn't necessarily a left position. There are plenty of green conservatives too. But so what? That still doesn't make either Cortez or Sanders any more than middle-the-roads in reality.

They are milquetoast "left" as strawmanned by the right, because there isn't any left in America. Even traditional Social Democrats you mention would put them in the shade re: social policy.

As for Sanders, he was scuppered twice by the Democrats in favour of more conservative candidates like Clinton and Biden, which shows how "left" they are.

Overheal

The courts are everything, have been for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkpfFuiZkcs

y0ssar1an22

so 34 pages in; is the president allows the nominate someone to the supreme court?

if no, why?

Brian?

notobtuse wrote: »

Allow three days for the Democrats doing nothing but vile lecturing, her and us, under the guise of questioning Amy Coney Barrett, and then vote to confirm the extremely qualified justice to sit on the SCOTUS. Sounds fair to me.

What exactly makes her "extremely qualified", she has been a judge for 3 years.

You think it's ok for someone who believes that there shouldn't be a separation of church and state to sit on the SCOTUS?

Brian?

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

so 34 pages in; is the president allows the nominate someone to the supreme court?

if no, why?

Of course he is, no one is arguing he isn't.

Some people are arguing he shouldn't as the Republican Senate set a precedent in 2016.

Clear

y0ssar1an22

Brian? wrote: »

Of course he is, no one is arguing he isn't.

Some people are arguing he shouldn't as the Republican Senate set a precedent in 2016.

Clear

so he is doing the exact same barack (for example) did; in nominating someone?

why is that an issue? can someone please spell this out to an uneducated person.

i'm so confused?! its allowed or not allowed. pretty binary.

Gervais08

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

so he is doing the exact same barack (for example) did; in nominating someone?

why is that an issue? can someone please spell this out to an uneducated person.

i'm so confused?! its allowed or not allowed. pretty binary.

Google Merrick Garland. That’s exactly why the Republicans should get to nominate before the election.

Brian?

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

so he is doing the exact same barack (for example) did; in nominating someone?

why is that an issue? can someone please spell this out to an uneducated person.

i'm so confused?! its allowed or not allowed. pretty binary.

I get the feeling you're not at all confused.

He is allowed. No one is saying he isn't. In fact no one is really criticising Trump. It's the Senate GOP that are acting the maggot.

y0ssar1an22

Gervais08 wrote: »

Google Merrick Garland. That’s exactly why the Republicans should get to nominate before the election.

i didn't google him, and frankly its irrelevant.

the president can nominate during his tenure or he cannot.

its a question of fact.

so can the president to this?

any nays, please tell me why . i'm clueless or please let me in.

Brian?

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i didn't google him, and frankly its irrelevant.

the president can nominate during his tenure or he cannot.

its a question of fact.

so can the president to this?

any nays, please tell me why . i'm clueless or please let me in.

I've answered tour question, that wasn't a real question twice.

Tell me how

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i didn't google him, and frankly its irrelevant.

the president can nominate during his tenure or he cannot.

its a question of fact.

so can the president to this?

any nays, please tell me why . i'm clueless or please let me in.

How do you know if it is relevant or irrelevant if you didn't google him?

SchrodingersCat

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i didn't google him, and frankly its irrelevant.

the president can nominate during his tenure or he cannot.

its a question of fact.

so can the president to this?

any nays, please tell me why . i'm clueless or please let me in.

You are confusing "can" with "should".
"Can" you take a dump in your pants instead of going to the toilet? Yes, you can.

"Should" you do this? No.

Mr. Karate

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Cortez's Green New Deal was pretty left. It is the kind of thing Saoirse McHugh endorses, what she in terviews calls eco-socialism. Sanders also described himself as socialist. He has always endorsed socialist states. he had his honeymoon in the USSR. I am not sure if you can be centre if you call yourself socialist? Maybe if they use the word social democrat but not socialist.

Social Democrat is a bull**** term. Socialism is Socialism no matter they want to dress it up. And the end goal to Socialism is always full blown Communism.

SchrodingersCat

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Social Democrat is a bull**** term. Socialism is Socialism no matter they want to dress it up. And the end goal to Socialism is always full blown Communism.

Socialism is compatible with liberty and democracy whereas Communism involves creating an equal society through an authoritarian state, which denies basic liberties.

How you describe socialism is how Trump describes socialism, i.e. wrong. Think more Scandinavian countries and not USSR.

Tony EH

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Social Democrat is a bull**** term. Socialism is Socialism no matter they want to dress it up. And the end goal to Socialism is always full blown Communism.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Tell me how

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Social Democrat is a bull**** term. Socialism is Socialism no matter they want to dress it up. And the end goal to Socialism is always full blown Communism.

This is complete and utter nonsense.