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Asti strike action

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    #362
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,247 ✭✭✭✭km79


    MacGyver007 wrote: »
    The results are out:
    https://asti.ie/news/key-covid-issues-in-schools-must-be-addressed-asti-secures-m/

    Can’t check them
    Website appears to have crashed !


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    #363
    Random sample
    Registered Users Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Random sample


    I’m glad some of the nonsensical ones didn’t pass... I’m surprised at the demand for 24 hour return of results though, I don’t know if the labs have the personnel to guarantee that.


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    #364
    Polka_Dot
    Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭Polka_Dot


    Plenty of teacher bashing happening already, not helped by the fact that the media are honing in on the issue of pay equality (which I agree should be addressed particularly with there being 2 tiers in the new Covid supervision rates) and people conflating this with teachers all asking for more money.


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    #365
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Is the turnout for ASTI votes normally that low?Seems like around 60% are not overly pushed either way with what was being voted for?


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    #366
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Is the turnout for ASTI votes normally that low?Seems like around 60% are not overly pushed either way with what was being voted for?

    I was surprised by the turnout alright. I could only guess as to the reasons, but a combination of them having a very particular way to file the ballots, them being sent to home addresses as opposed to delivered to reps, and then the closeness to midterm might have had an impact. But not 60%woth.


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    #367
    wirelessdude01
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    Smacruairi wrote: »
    I was surprised by the turnout alright. I could only guess as to the reasons, but a combination of them having a very particular way to file the ballots, them being sent to home addresses as opposed to delivered to reps, and then the closeness to midterm might have had an impact. But not 60%woth.

    The turnout was pathetic. I know that circumstances would have had an impact but still.

    Myself and my Mrs are both INTO activists and think we can remember a turn out of about 36% for something at some stage but generally for us 60% would be the norm.


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    #368
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,247 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    I was surprised by the turnout alright. I could only guess as to the reasons, but a combination of them having a very particular way to file the ballots, them being sent to home addresses as opposed to delivered to reps, and then the closeness to midterm might have had an impact. But not 60%woth.

    There were too many items on the ballot
    People didnt bother
    Thats the long and the short it


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    #369
    Polka_Dot
    Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭Polka_Dot


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Is the turnout for ASTI votes normally that low?Seems like around 60% are not overly pushed either way with what was being voted for?

    I know mine never arrived despite ringing to confirm my address. Others I know are in similar positions/would have given a home address but are renting elsewhere and couldn't get back to get the ballot papers.


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    #370
    Iscreamkone
    Registered Users Posts: 915 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    The government should call a state of emergency and prevent public employees from striking. Anyone who strikes should then be sacked.
    In the style of Ronald Reagan and the air traffic controllers.


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    #371
    solerina
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    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Is the turnout for ASTI votes normally that low?Seems like around 60% are not overly pushed either way with what was being voted for?

    Yes it was that low when we used to have postal ballots in the past, a lot of people simply forget to return the ballot papers. When the ballot was held in school the turn out was a lot higher, this wasn’t possible this time round with COVID.


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    #372
    Treppen
    Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Iscreamkone wrote: »
    The government should call a state of emergency and prevent public employees from striking. Anyone who strikes should then be sacked.
    In the style of Ronald Reagan and the air traffic controllers.

    Which ballot do you disagree with?


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    #373
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,247 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Iscreamkone wrote: »
    The government should call a state of emergency and prevent public employees from striking. Anyone who strikes should then be sacked.
    In the style of Ronald Reagan and the air traffic controllers.

    They would probably have to close schools then right .......


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    #374
    History Queen
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    Iscreamkone wrote: »
    The government should call a state of emergency and prevent public employees from striking. Anyone who strikes should then be sacked.
    In the style of Ronald Reagan and the air traffic controllers.

    Great way of dealing with teacher shortages. Well done.


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    #375
    spurious
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    Please don't react to inflammatory posts.


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    #376
    Limpy
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    To the teacher's, you have voted. Let the democratic will of the ASTI prevail.

    The Nurses were laughed at by Leo before the Covid crisis and got nowhere, even with massive public support. The chickens came home to roost then When Covid came on the scene.

    The government is on the ropes, now is your time to deliver that uppercut.


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    #377
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Limpy wrote: »
    The Nurses were laughed at by Leo before the Covid crisis and got nowhere, even with massive public support. The chickens came home to roost then When Covid came on the scene..

    Just to touch on this point and wondering if it is a valid one. Is it a case that jobs which have become increasingly feminised, nursing, teaching (primary in particular), that their demands are dismissed and ignored, or just the body doesn't have the stomach for the long drawn out and dirty fight and public slandering?

    I ask just to gauge opinion as I can already see colleagues bemoaning the public opinion, whereas the males I know just don't seem to give a toss. I suppose I'm looking for reassurance that it's all in my head!


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    #378
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Just to touch on this point and wondering if it is a valid one. Is it a case that jobs which have become increasingly feminised, nursing, teaching (primary in particular), that their demands are dismissed and ignored, or just the body doesn't have the stomach for the long drawn out and dirty fight and public slandering?

    I ask just to gauge opinion as I can already see colleagues bemoaning the public opinion, whereas the males I know just don't seem to give a toss. I suppose I'm looking for reassurance that it's all in my head!

    I used to say this when I was nursing as the only union that held out was PNA or Psychiatric Nurses Association which had a huge number of male nurses in it.


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    #379
    wirelessdude01
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    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Just to touch on this point and wondering if it is a valid one. Is it a case that jobs which have become increasingly feminised, nursing, teaching (primary in particular), that their demands are dismissed and ignored, or just the body doesn't have the stomach for the long drawn out and dirty fight and public slandering?

    I ask just to gauge opinion as I can already see colleagues bemoaning the public opinion, whereas the males I know just don't seem to give a toss. I suppose I'm looking for reassurance that it's all in my head!

    Personally I don't think it's in your head.


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    #380
    Mardy Bum
    Registered Users Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Just to touch on this point and wondering if it is a valid one. Is it a case that jobs which have become increasingly feminised, nursing, teaching (primary in particular), that their demands are dismissed and ignored, or just the body doesn't have the stomach for the long drawn out and dirty fight and public slandering?

    I ask just to gauge opinion as I can already see colleagues bemoaning the public opinion, whereas the males I know just don't seem to give a toss. I suppose I'm looking for reassurance that it's all in my head!

    Considering what went on with regard to union jumping during industrial action I would say that the TUI leadership were complicit in the destruction of pay and conditions for a generation of teachers. I don't think it has anything to do with gender. Simply, union leadership and a large minority of members are centre right.

    With regards to this ballot, I think there were a multitude of reasons for the low turnout. The most significant being reticence about how the public would perceive it which caused a flight reaction from most members. Dreadful timing, disinterested shop stewards, general apathy and laziness, incorrect addresses and exhaustion combined to cause a low turnout as well.


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    #381
    Jerry Atrick
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    Does anyone know of any hard up teachers? Genuine question


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    #382
    wirelessdude01
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    Jerry Atrick wrote: »
    Does anyone know of any hard up teachers? Genuine question

    Define hard up.


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    #383
    Treppen
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    Jerry Atrick wrote: »
    Does anyone know of any hard up teachers? Genuine question

    What's your definition of hard up?
    Like on the streets homeless?


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    #384
    Treppen
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    Have to say (and I'm not often a Shinner supporter).
    But the education spokesman really put it up to Pat K this morning.
    Naturally enough Pat is taking the anti teacher line.


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    #385
    wirelessdude01
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    Ohh Jesus Colm O'Rourke on CB. The vendetta continues.


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    #386
    History Queen
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    Treppen wrote: »
    Have to say (and I'm not often a Shinner supporter).
    But the education spokesman really put it up to Pat K this morning.
    Naturally enough Pat is taking the anti teacher line.

    I was just about to post exactly the same thing. I follow him on Twitter too, he has been very tuned in to education matters.


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    #387
    km79
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    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Ohh Jesus Colm O'Rourke on CB. The vendetta continues.

    When ?


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    #388
    doc_17
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    I had to laugh when O’Rourke said now was not the time as we were in the middle of a national crisis and that he would pass the picket as he has before. So he passes the pickets when there’s no national crises too. I’d say the ASTI shop steward has a tough gig there.


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    #389
    wirelessdude01
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    km79 wrote: »
    When ?

    He was on this morning, approx 10:15. El Presidente was on as well and just kept referring to him as Mr O'Rourke.


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    #390
    wirelessdude01
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    doc_17 wrote: »
    I had to laugh when O’Rourke said now was not the time as we were in the middle of a national crisis and that he would pass the picket as he has before. So he passes the pickets when there’s no national crises too. I’d say the ASTI shop steward has a tough gig there.

    Think he also said that he has the height of respect for some of the ASTI members in his school. Important word there is some.


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    #391
    ngunners
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    doc_17 wrote: »
    I had to laugh when O’Rourke said now was not the time as we were in the middle of a national crisis and that he would pass the picket as he has before. So he passes the pickets when there’s no national crises too. I’d say the ASTI shop steward has a tough gig there.

    Imagine broadcasting you’re a scab to the whole country.


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