Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

is_that_so

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Dr Nolan's is proveably false. The mortality rate for those under 30 is close to zero.

That's with the restrictions we've had. The answer was in relation to unfettered virus spread to achieve herd immunity and we don't know if that is true or false but we could probably have a lot more deaths to get there.

caveat emptor

Fauci getting the Sweden question and answering it well.


https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1308803782587879426?s=20

Polar101

Zebra3 wrote: »

As we have seen young people aren't vulnerable, yet we are now meant to believe that they are gonna start dropping like flies despite there being no evidence that this will happen?

No, but the young people aren't isolated from the rest of the population. That's the point.

Jim_Hodge

Santy2015 wrote: »

Go back and curtain twitch for yourself. Goodman

Is that kind of childish jibe the standard response when your fake positivity is shown as flawed? If so, it just doesn't work. Regardless of anybody's outlook the numbers in ICU are not holding steady in the slightest.

Arghus

Santy2015 wrote: »

Go back and curtain twitch for yourself. Goodman

Sorry to remind you of of basic facts.

Harry Palmr

Imagine being Paul Rand and discovering from the afterlife that you share your names with Sen. Rand Paul.

MerlinSouthDub

is_that_so wrote: »

That's with the restrictions we've had. The answer was in relation to unfettered virus spread to achieve herd immunity and we don't know if that is true or false but we could probably have a lot more deaths to get there.

? No it's not based on our restrictions. It's based on the mortality rate in those under 30 who have been infected by Covid, as shown by every serological study everywhere in the world

MerlinSouthDub

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Everyone who wants the young to be exposed to Covid 19 should hand their children over to be infected.

Presumably you keep your children under lock and key throughout the year to avoid them being infected by all the other infectious diseases, many of which are more dangerous than Covid (to children)

bb1234567

Gruffalox wrote: »

A good 95 % or more of people under 30 have never had Covid so how do you know?

Well even if not a huge amount of young Irish people have caught it, a lot of young Swedish people have for sure and the death rate among that group is still very low. Although this seems to only apply to young Europeans, this high level of dfence to the virus. 1/3-1/2 of deaths in the developing world have been aged below 60. Even in the USA 20% of deaths have been below 60. In Europe almost no young people have died, for whatever reason, good health perhaps.

Funsterdelux

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I think big fines are needed, if some clown with symptoms or awaiting test results doesn't self isolate and infects others a €5k fine should be issued.

Humiliation is needed plus fines

In 2020, during the COVID-19 pandemic, police in Chinu, Colombia, placed residents who broke quarantine in stocks

UsBus

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I think big fines are needed, if some clown with symptoms or awaiting test results doesn't self isolate and infects others a €5k fine should be issued.

If they came out with a realistic fine of a grand and said it will be followed through by revenue or held back from welfare payments that would ensure compliance. They would need to start communicating that fines are being dished out so the message sinks in.
The only law that is followed here is Revenue. Its long past time, the liberal soft touch approach to everything was abandoned in this country. There will never be widespread compliance otherwise and we are facing years of this virus.

Harry Palmr

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Presumably you keep your children under lock and key throughout the year to avoid them being infected by all the other infectious diseases, many of which are more dangerous than Covid (to children)

Children are inoculated against almost everything that has the measurable potential to kill them in terms of viral infection.

I'm positing that your child isn't going to get Covid 19 by chance rather that your child is going to be very deliberately given a potentially fatal virus to prove an ideological point

Santy2015

Santy2015 wrote: »

Go back and curtain twitch for yourself. Goodman

So funny, so so funny. Come up with that one all on your own

Funsterdelux

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well even if not a huge amount of young Irish people have caught it, a lot of young Swedish people have for sure and the death rate among that group is still very low. Although this seems to only apply to young Europeans, this high level of dfence to the virus. 1/3-1/2 of deaths in the developing world have been aged below 60. Even in the USA 20% of deaths have been below 60. In Europe almost no young people have died, for whatever reason, good health perhaps.

Any links to this information

;)

MerlinSouthDub

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Children are inoculated against almost everything that has the measurable potential to kill them in terms of viral infection.

I'm positing that your child isn't going to get Covid 19 by chance rather that your child is going to be very deliberately given a potentially fatal virus to prove an ideological point

Not really. The flu vaccine is typically 50% effective, and children die from it every year.

Non solum non ambulabit

screamer wrote: »

Sweden is so different to Ireland, lower population density, .

You do know that most Swedish people live in urban areas that are more dense than Ireland? They don't all live in individual houses every 50m across the entire landmass.

Goldengirl

DAVID QUINN talking about Ireland being an Outlier on the briefing,

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Funsterdelux wrote: »

Humiliation is needed plus fines

If they placed people in stocks here, friends would join them with a bag of cans.

Funsterdelux

Sweden and Ireland, so many similarities.

Sweden: ABBA, Ibrahimovic
Ireland: Johnny Logan, Niall Quinn

Gael23

The number of cares in Donegal today would be like Dublin reporting 1000 cases a day in proportion of population

Frightening statistic

Quantum Erasure

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Sweden and Ireland, so many similarities.

Sweden: ABBA
Ireland: Johnny Logan

Hold me now, this could be our Waterloo....

Polar101

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Sweden and Ireland, so many similarities.

Sweden: ABBA
Ireland: Johnny Logan

Both are about as quick at forming governments after elections, too.

But we might be running out of similarities soon, especially with Covid.

Harry Palmr

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Not really. The flu vaccine is typically 50% effective, and children die from it every year.

50% of children 0-17 get the flu jab in the USA and it's up to 60% effective.

So many who get the flu clearly never got inoculated, others were but got the flu before it became effective (two weeks).

In 2017 374 died between 0 and 15 years of age. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf

Would you deliberately infect your children with seasonal flu if there was no vaccine

caveat emptor

Sweden changing tune regarding lockdowns.
Why would they need them if they are immune?


https://twitter.com/thereal_truther/status/1308830873425506306?s=20

polesheep

screamer wrote: »

Sweden is so different to Ireland, lower population density, single occupancy houses and a population who follow the instructions of their government/ health experts.
Now had we followed the Swedish models , and given that we are lacking in those vital parameters that Sweden have, I think our death toll would have been vastly inflated.

In truth, it's actually the reverse. Sweden has vast areas of land that are almost uninhabited. The number of Swedes living in an urban environment is 86%, compared the the number of Irish living in an urban environment at just 47%.

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Children are inoculated against almost everything that has the measurable potential to kill them in terms of viral infection.

I'm positing that your child isn't going to get Covid 19 by chance rather that your child is going to be very deliberately given a potentially fatal virus to prove an ideological point

No one wants their child to get sick, but for the average healthy child is going to be far less impacted by Covid than multiple other infections

screamer

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

You do know that most Swedish people live in urban areas that are more dense than Ireland? They don't all live in individual houses every 50m across the entire landmass.

Yes, but your whataboutery doesn’t change the facts on their population density and single occupancy homes.

Besides, I really believe the biggest differentiator is their attitude to the expert advise, which they follow to the last. Not like Ireland where everyone knows better

rob316

Harry Palmr wrote: »

After Covid 19 no one should view the Swedes as anything other than dangerously arrogant.

Why?

They took an approach and stuck with it and they are in a better place than most of Europe now. The kind of decision making and forward thinking I wish our leaders would make.

Gruffalux

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Not really. The flu vaccine is typically 50% effective, and children die from it every year.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M19-3075

The flu vaccine has been found to not reduce deaths or hospitalisations in the over 65s. Coupled with the idea to cocoon indefinitely those over 60, for which Covid has a far higher IFR that flu, we may as well skip the line about herd immunity and go full Logan's Run.

Harry Palmr

rob316 wrote: »

Why?

They took an approach and stuck with it and they are in a better place than most of Europe now. The kind of decision making and forward thinking I wish our leaders would make.

Just above you

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