Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

JP Liz V1

polesheep wrote: »

Almost every citizen in the country is helping to spread it, that's how the virus works. Can you honestly say that you have stuck rigidly to the restrictions?

Yes as best I can, I have avoided any large gatherings, had close confirmations and weddings cancelled, is it too much for everyone to play their part and cop on during a deadly virus pandemic

HeyV

So, apart from what coverage this gets on the 6 o’clock news this evening, there is no brief being shown today?

spookwoman

Someone has some serious delusions of grandeur if they think just because they are a good little so and so that everyone else is doing the exact same thing.

I keep seeing that meme Set of encyclopedias for sale, no longer needed , the husband know f*cking everything.

nimrod86

tails_naf wrote: »

Actually we have pulled back from it. Doesn't stop it from happening though...

Ah right, fair enough! We'd be in a far better situation all round if more people did the same and took personal responsibility over things! Not involved in the GAA or sports myself, but from what I'm hearing coming out over the past few days it seems they really need to get their act together and start hammering local clubs not following the guidelines!

AdamD

Blondini wrote: »

So a bunch of non-medical suits have ignored doctors orders on our behalf?

Sounds great.

Yeah because the suits actually have to think of a wide range of consequences. If anything the doctors have an easier brief here - if in doubt, lock down.

However that's no way to run a country. The government has done exactly what was asked of them here - considered the medical recommendations, considered the wider impact and met somewhere in between.

Some people seem genuinely annoyed we aren't locking down. Rather weird, though not an attitude you'd encounter offline.

caveat emptor

Wow

https://twitter.com/RoKhanna/status/1313145421657640962?s=20

Goldrickssan

TexasTornado wrote: »

Huge questions now about this government. If they can't accept the advice of NPHET they aren't fit for office.

They answer to us not NPHET

Happydays2020

nacho libre wrote: »

So Tony wanted to let everyone know he is back:D The people getting upset earlier should have realised the government would reject the advice to go to level 5. Those recommending the restrictions probably knew well the government would do so, but are now happy that a compromise has been reached. It also means people who were complaining about the Government previously, will now side with it, and be a bit more accepting of level 3 restrictions nationwide, which was probably the plan all along.

Tony has damaged himself and NPHET. He was too impatient to make a statement. All he had to do was to highlight serious concerns all week and he would have got his greater enforcement and probably a mix of level 3 and level 4.

polesheep

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Yes as best I can, I have avoided any large gatherings, had close confirmations and weddings cancelled, is it too much for everyone to play their part and cop on during a deadly virus pandemic

As I said, we're all in glass houses.

Coybig_

billybonkers wrote: »

Yes but people could have died from it and not known that was the cause of death if they were not tested....

My god.

People have died with it but been counted as having died from it. If anything the deaths are overblown.

We are now operating under the assumption that people who died could have had Covid, and that being a cause for fear. This is beyond all levels of sanity.

MerlinSouthDub

Raphael Damaged Timer wrote: »

As we were told last week this is the "plan" for 9 months. utter carnage.

And, what is the alternative? Zero covid? Impossible unless the UK do the same. Let the virus rip? Hardly palatable. We are approaching it the same way as the rest of Europe, and I guess every country is hoping that a vaccine will arrive sooner rather than later.

billybonkers

HeyV wrote: »

So, apart from what coverage this gets on the 6 o’clock news this evening, there is no brief being shown today?

No but expect something on 9 o clock news from MM. Only way they can get the message out if no briefing

tails_naf

Raphael Damaged Timer wrote: »

Your kids are in poorly ventilated overcrowded classrooms 8hrs a day. Outdoor training is a lot safer.

I completely agree, schools are not handing this well. Within 2 weeks of kids being back everyone in our house had a cold/cough/sniffles. Even got tested - it was negative, so just plain old back to school cold, but goes to show how weak and exposed the back to school plan is.

eagle eye

Plumbthedepths wrote:

Nphet's job is to offer advice it is the job of government to weigh up that advice with other factors. You seem to be confusing the meaning of advice and an order.

If a group of experts give a recommendation and you aren't going along with it you better have a damn good reason.

titan18

polesheep wrote: »

You should hold that to a mirror.

You can socialise without having house parties.

Vinnie222

GooglePlus wrote: »

I can't even get a book from the student library, I don't think students are where we should be looking.

Cause they are 2 busy holding parties

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

If a group of experts give a recommendation and you aren't going along with it you better have a damn good reason.

A group of experts providing only one data point for consideration by the government. If the government blindly followed NPHET then they aren’t fit for office

Given that NPHET have only one agenda, their advice should not be public IMO. It is just sowing more fear and division

Boggles

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Tony has damaged himself and NPHET. He was too impatient to make a statement. All he had to do was to highlight serious concerns all week and he would have got his greater enforcement and probably a mix of level 3 and level 4.

Tony doesn't make the decisions.

A whole panel of people do.

The narrative that Tony was dancing around a cauldron naked last night plotting Level 5 for the country is absolute bat shít.

CalamariFritti

This thread is descending into a car crash.

Funsterdelux

caveat emptor wrote: »

Wow

https://twitter.com/RoKhanna/status/1313145421657640962?s=20

But but but the White House cant close its borders....

caveat emptor

So if the government can discount NPHET's advice, can we not follow the gov's advice?
Advice is advice right. Take it or leave it by nature.

GeorgeBailey

Miike wrote: »

If Zara King brings up weddings I'm going to have a conniption :pac:

I know, right. Absolutely nobody cares about weddings. Nobody. Well ok, maybe the couples. And maybe their guests. And maybe people who rely on weddings for income. But other than that, definitely nobody.

JP Liz V1

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Your constant posts about house parties and students suggest otherwise, but okay.

Students are not innocent here, the amount of house parties in college university cities is shocking, while I'm sure there is some students acting responsible others are not

Dayor Knight

Goldrickssan wrote: »

They answer to us not NPHET

Yes, they will have to answer to us.

They will have to account to us for their inaction and the deaths and personal devastation that will occur over their dithering.

Goldrickssan

20 hours since the NPHET leak and no communication from the government. It's turning into a farce.

ACitizenErased

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Students are not innocent here, the amount of house parties in college university cities is shocking, while I'm sure there is some students acting responsible others are not

Neither is anyone else.

Funsterdelux

CalamariFritti wrote: »

This thread is descending into a car crash.

Widdensushi

caveat emptor wrote: »

So if the government can discount NPHET's advice, can we not follow the gov's advice?
Advice is advice right. Take it or leave it by nature.

You can follow nphtet s advice

SleetAndSnow

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Students are not innocent here, the amount of house parties in college university cities is shocking, while I'm sure there is some students acting responsible others are not

Nobody is saying students are innocent, but you can't just keep using them (us) as an example when it is the same across all the age groups. Adults planning parties for the kids etc is nearly the exact same... as has been the cause for Donegal being so high if I remember

There are people in each part of society acting irresponsible, so if students can stop being used as the one example by people it would be great.

begbysback

Yay - fcuk level 5

iamwhoiam

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Yes as best I can, I have avoided any large gatherings, had close confirmations and weddings cancelled, is it too much for everyone to play their part and cop on during a deadly virus pandemic

Me too . Have kept well away from any crowds , avoided busy times in shops
Have been very careful who is in my house and played my part .
As have my friends and my siblings .

MerlinSouthDub

Dayor Knight wrote: »

Yes, they will have to answer to us.

They will have to account to us for their inaction and the deaths and personal devastation that will occur over their dithering.

Dithering? They made a decision within hours of the NPHET recommendation.

Yes, the government will have to answer to us. They have made a balanced and appropriate decision.

GT89

John O.Groats wrote: »

And what about the anti vaxxer nutjobs that will refuse to take a vaccine should one be developed? What then?

If you get the vaccine it should be nothing to worry about for you. You are vaccinated = you are safe surely. If theyncatch covid that's their problem why do you even care?

JP Liz V1

polesheep wrote: »

As I said, we're all in glass houses.

Well I'm not throwing large parties in my glass house or attending any

Renjit

Goldrickssan wrote: »

20 hours since the NPHET leak and no communication from the government. It's turning into a farce.

Caught between a rock and a hard place

Strumms

tails_naf wrote: »

On the topic of the GAA, my kids do camogie and while the local club and coaches are amazing, social distancing is nowhere in sight. While we're all avoiding one another like the (literal) plague, training sessions are full on, contact, group huddles, the works. It seems so strange my wife is spaced 2 meters apart, limited to 6 doing non contact dancing while GAA is a free for all.

Video it on your phone. Bring it to your local Garda station. Although they’d be all over it if it was the soccer lads but the GAA are usually a law unto themselves.

Sardonicat

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Nobody is saying students are innocent, but you can't just keep using them (us) as an example when it is the same across all the age groups. Adults planning parties for the kids etc is nearly the exact same... as has been the cause for Donegal being so high if I remember

There are people in each part of society acting irresponsible, so if students can stop being used as the one example by people it would be great.

Communion/confirmation parties are playing a significant role in the spread.

Renjit

polesheep wrote: »

As I said, we're all in glass houses.

Plan is as good as the weakest link of a chain.

eagle eye

Deleted User wrote:

A group of experts providing only one data point for consideration by the government. If the government blindly followed NPHET then they aren’t fit for office

They've all been in government before and already proven they are unfit for office.

Deleted User wrote:

Given that NPHET have only one agenda, their advice should not be public IMO. It is just sowing more fear and division

This fear thing keeps getting mentioned by the anti-lockdown types.
I know loads of people who are very careful and have kept their kids a home and I don't see fear in any of them.
It seems to me that all the fear is on the anti-lockdown side of things. They get upset at bad news, get upset at any suggestion if restrictions and keep talking about people's mental health.
Well all I can tell you is that the people in in touch with who have remained in a lockdown is that they are all in good mental health, happy people with happy children.

Widdensushi

NPHET were acting too erratically to be blindly followed, can't go from saying level 3 is not needed on Thursday to level 5 on Sunday without adequately backing it up.

JP Liz V1

titan18 wrote: »

You can socialise without having house parties.

Yes and there is more to college life than house parties, on the sesh etc.,

caveat emptor

Data suggesting people want more restrains not fewer.

https://twitter.com/SiCarswell/status/1313094541717762050?s=20

John O.Groats

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Yes as best I can, I have avoided any large gatherings, had close confirmations and weddings cancelled, is it too much for everyone to play their part and cop on during a deadly virus pandemic

Unfortunately the answer to that would appear to be yes.

rob316

No more guidelines, strict enforcement from gardai. No one likes their liberties been impeded on but we need to protect people, jobs and businesses. We can avoid a further escalation if we get tough on enforcement.

rob316

caveat emptor wrote: »

Data suggesting people want more restrains not fewer.

https://twitter.com/SiCarswell/status/1313094541717762050?s=20

We all know the accuracy of polls :rolleyes:

Dayor Knight

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Dithering? They made a decision within hours of the NPHET recommendation.

Yes, the government will have to answer to us. They have made a balanced and appropriate decision.

In your opinion. Not in mine.

And then let's see what happens next, like by the end of the week, and you'll see what I mean about dithering. Dithering over moving Dublin to a higher level when it's warranted by the available medical information. Waiting until we have a really serious situation before acting. Dithering about Dublin.

spookwoman

https://twitter.com/PaulQuinnNews/status/1313154822514839553?s=20

Drumpot

One thing that this has done is actually given the government the opportunity to bring in more stringent penalties for individuals flaunting the rules. They can Spin it that “it was either penalties or lockdown”.

SleetAndSnow

Drumpot wrote: »

One thing that this has done is actually given the government the opportunity to bring in more stringent penalties for individuals flaunting the rules. They can Spin it that “it was either penalties or lockdown”.

Will they though? Probably not

landofthetree

eagle eye wrote: »

They've all been in government before and already proven they are unfit for office.


This fear thing keeps getting mentioned by the anti-lockdown types.
I know loads of people who are very careful and have kept their kids a home and I don't see fear in any of them.
It seems to me that all the fear is on the anti-lockdown side of things. They get upset at bad news, get upset at any suggestion if restrictions and keep talking about people's mental health.
Well all I can tell you is that the people in in touch with who have remained in a lockdown is that they are all in good mental health, happy people with happy children.

A lot of people are in a bad way.

Not everyone can work from home. Not everyone had a garden to access during lockdown


Small businesses are really struggling. A second lockdown would finish off many.

Lockdown has been not so bad for many. If you can work from home you have a lot to be grateful for.