Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

nacho libre

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Tony has damaged himself and NPHET. He was too impatient to make a statement. All he had to do was to highlight serious concerns all week and he would have got his greater enforcement and probably a mix of level 3 and level 4.

I think he knew what he was doing, and has got what he wanted. Also the Government can say they are taking the pandemic seriously, but have to balance other concerns so opted for level 3 restrictions as the best solution. The problem for the Government is if these restrictions fail, but they will probably succeed as we have seen in Kildare. So in the medium terms both sides are placated, until we open up again and cases start to rise again.

Strumms

boggerman1 wrote: »

Sick of the gaa bashing by the usual anti gaa/soccer crowd.any gaa thing I’ve been at locally everything done to the best of ways possible.plenty of crap going on all over and it’s not all the gaa fault.

It’s not bashing, it’s criticism.

If it was the local hockey team same thing.

We are not hearing funnily enough about basketball, hockey, etc...

It’s the GAA’s fault when it’s happening on their property or their watch as organized by them.

Blondini

howsshenow wrote: »

ALDI Castletroy Limerick allowing Adult shoppers in without a facemask..
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I thought Dunnes were Ott but this is Totally unacceptable.

The game is up. We're letting it rip whether we like it or not.

iamwhoiam

polesheep wrote: »

We could just go to the market. Ask the private hospitals to provide ICU beds and pay for them as needed.

As far as I know when they handed back the private hospitals it was specified that they could take some or all back if needed

titan18

polesheep wrote: »

We could just go to the market. Ask the private hospitals to provide ICU beds and pay for them as needed.

If I give someone 50 euro and they burn in front of my face, I feel like giving them another 50 euro is retarded. Why do and why should we keep on giving the HSE (and feckload of other public services) the money to burn in front of our face.

MerlinSouthDub

Blondini wrote: »

Probably won't even take the three weeks unfortunately.

Why such pessimism? Last week, Philip Nolan said he was cautiously optimistic about Dublin, and that the R in Dublin was getting close to 1. If the whole country moves to level 3, then I think there is every chance of getting R to 1 or a bit below. That's all we need to get stability.

ChikiChiki

Mad virus altogether. The graphs emerging from different countries showing it going through the roof everywhere. (except nz)

wes

howsshenow wrote: »

ALDI Castletroy Limerick allowing Adult shoppers in without a facemask..
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I thought Dunnes were Ott but this is Totally unacceptable.

My local Spar is the same. I tend to only go later in the evening after work and after my daily walk, so not many out and about then, but you will always get one damn fool coming in without a mask. Honestly, we have far too many idiots who don't care if they kill someone else.

SleetAndSnow

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1313160434938195968?s=20

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As a people, we all need to become more aware of the role the media has played in all of this.

Never forget that they're out there to make money off your lack of judgement and tendancy to draw towards shock headlines.

I was only watching the VM half 5 news and they obviously selected a certain type to interview on the street of Dublin. I'd say in editing, they choose the most entertaining to watch.

Just be aware that your sources of information are there to make money from you and are designed to draw you in like a fly to ****.

The media aren't reliable and haven't been in a long time.

polesheep

iamwhoiam wrote: »

As far as I know when they handed back the private hospitals it was specified that they could take some or all back if needed

I'm suggesting buying ICU bed space as needed.

caveat emptor

Someone posted this earlier in the thread.
If there have been 254 cases in the 65 + age bracket in the last week there will be a serious demand on ICU.
Currently the 65 - 74 age cohort has a 5% lCU admission rate.

5% of 254 is 12.

10% fatality rate also which would translate to 24 deaths.



https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313097460152139782?s=20

wirelessdude01

518 cases

SleetAndSnow

134 in Dublin, 53 in Cork, 49 in Limerick, 34 in Donegal, 32 in Meath.

Remaining 216 cases are spread across 20 counties.

Sierra Oscar

polesheep wrote: »

I'm suggesting buying ICU bed space as needed.

You can't just buy ICU capacity though. The issue is a lack of trained professionals needed to run the ICU's. That's a medium to long term problem that the Government can't solve overnight.

TexasTornado

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

518 cases

Ah no. Another huge number

Tenzor07

518 more positive PCR results


Zero deaths..

Plumbthedepths

GooglePlus wrote: »

As a people, we all need to become more aware of the role the media has played in all of this.

Never forget that they're out there to make money off your lack of judgement and tendancy to draw towards shock headlines.

I was only watching the VM half 5 news and they obviously selected a certain type to interview on the street of Dublin. I'd say in editing, they choose the most entertaining to watch.

Just be aware that your sources of information are there to make money from you and are designed to draw you in like a fly to ****.

The media aren't reliable and haven't been in a long time.

You mean the likes of RTE is not trustworthy despite their shiny new ad saying they are?

Sierra Oscar

Dr Tony Holohan commenting now.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313160990826037248

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SleetAndSnow wrote: »

134 in Dublin, 53 in Cork, 49 in Limerick, 34 in Donegal, 32 in Meath.

Remaining 216 cases are spread across 20 counties.

Countrywide spread is a disaster. The country has become a macro version of Dublin.

Pretzill

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

134 in Dublin, 53 in Cork, 49 in Limerick, 34 in Donegal, 32 in Meath.

Remaining 216 cases are spread across 20 counties.

Seems to be getting more widespread now - up here in Sligo the numbers were low for weeks but when they're rising in the lower areas it's not a good sign

SEPT 23 1989

Can see where they were coming from now alright

alentejo

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

134 in Dublin, 53 in Cork, 49 in Limerick, 34 in Donegal, 32 in Meath.

Remaining 216 cases are spread across 20 counties.

Hopefully are seeking a peaking (or even small decrease) in Dublin. This is offset by larger increases outside Dublin

MerlinSouthDub

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

134 in Dublin, 53 in Cork, 49 in Limerick, 34 in Donegal, 32 in Meath.

Remaining 216 cases are spread across 20 counties.

Great news re Dublin - definite signs cases number are dropping there.

ElTel

Drumpot wrote: »

One thing that this has done is actually given the government the opportunity to bring in more stringent penalties for individuals flaunting the rules. They can Spin it that “it was either penalties or lockdown”.

I suppose but I'm more concerned with the whole testing of close contacts and sick pay etc. A poster mentioned the system in Poland which while tough gives more assurance that they tackle the spread more thoroughly.

Once a disease is notifiable it should not be discretionary as a close contact to be tested and/or isolate and some sort of reference no should be given to individuals that trumps all red tape around sick pay/social welfare payments.

Ohmeha

howsshenow wrote: »

ALDI Castletroy Limerick allowing Adult shoppers in without a facemask..
.
I thought Dunnes were Ott but this is Totally unacceptable.

All of the main supermarket retailers Dunnes/Tesco/Supervalu/Aldi/Lidl in Dublin are failing to enforce customers wearing masks or their staff wearing visors properly. This weekend I watched people in Tesco with masks worn below their chin eating fast-food in the store and sniffing into Shampoo bottles

Derek Zoolander

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

You can't just buy ICU capacity though. The issue is a lack of trained professionals needed to run the ICU's. That's a medium to long term problem that the Government can't solve overnight.

if only the HSE had some sort of a warning or alert to train people or recruit people from overseas (ex-pats maybe) to cover while they were training staff......

Seamai

I can't see the move up to level 3 having any major impact on the upward trajectory. I wonder in a few weeks time will NPHET be saying "I told you so" to the government if we have 1000+ new cases a day.
Level 3 might have some chance if a few holes got kicked for flouting recommendations, but we all know that's not going to happen.

BringBackMick

OMG is that Paul Murphy on RTE1 talking garbage,

Going against the decisions just for the sake of it..

If choice was the opposite,,,,he would be giving out! Insufferable


DUBLIN stabilising

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MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Great news re Dublin - definite signs cases number are dropping there.

No, they're pretty much the same. The rest of the country is just catching up but they don't have the population density to blame.

Deshawn

polesheep wrote: »

We could just go to the market. Ask the private hospitals to provide ICU beds and pay for them as needed.

Private hospitals shouldn't have to make up for the failings of the hse.

Let the fallout of the triple whammy of the Coronavirus pandemic, the winter flu and the backlog of hse cases be on the heads of Martin, Varadkar and the other clown.

4 weeks of maximum restrictions could be an opportunity lost. Shortsighted

Goldrickssan

alentejo wrote: »

Hopefully are seeking a peaking (or even small decrease) in Dublin. This is offset by larger increases outside Dublin

It shows level 3 actually works though.

And it will be more effective when it's country wide.

niallo27

Zero deaths again, will they ever go away and **** off.

thelad95

This is an absolute cop out by the government, there will be some virtue signalling Gardai checkpoints this weekend and the October bank holiday and that'll be it. Meanwhile our hospitality sector will be absolutely crippled again for no reason whatsoever.

It's never been businesses that can be blamed, it's personal responsibility. And that's non existent in a significant minority unfortunately. We don't have a government or a police force with the horlocks to actually fine or enforce anything.

Meanwhile we're perfectly happy to allow a bunch of left wing loonies march down Grafton Street putting innocent civilians who were caught up in it along with workers on Grafton Street at risk.

Any mass gathering should be dispersed as allowing it is endangering public health. People have a constitutional right to protest but they don't have a constitutional right to gather in large groups. Again, we don't have a police force with the horlocks to enforce this.

So the hospitality sector has been crippled and yet again family members won't be allowed into funerals all the while students in Cork, Galway, Limerick, Dublin will continue to have rave like gatherings which the Gardai will do nothing about.

Yeah there's some wishy washy nonsense about gatherings and visitor numbers but nobody will pay any attention. A quick drive through Dublin city will show you this.

hynesie08

Dublin gone from near 60% of cases to a little under 25% is really good news anyway....

Tenzor07

caveat emptor wrote: »

Someone posted this earlier in the thread.
If there have been 254 cases in the 65 + age bracket in the last week there will be a serious demand on ICU.
Currently the 65 - 74 age cohort has a 5% lCU admission rate.
5% of 254 is 12.

An increase in the vulnerable age groups, in the Homeless, Travellers and those trapped in Government DP homes...
All neglected groups by this Government...

bennyl10

niallo27 wrote: »

Zero deaths again, will they ever go away and **** off.

If only there was other also important metrics

BobbyMalone

TexasTornado wrote: »

Ah no. Another huge number

Zero deaths, though - can't get much smaller than that.

landofthetree

BringBackMick wrote: »

OMG is that Paul Murphy on RTE1 talking garbage,

Going against the decisions just for the sake of it..

If choice was the opposite,,,,he would be giving out! Insufferable


DUBLIN stabilising

Paul Murphy thinks we can close everything bar a few shops and pay everyone 100k a year till a vaccine comes along.

Beasty

Last Orders Please

Thread XXV beckons

CIARAN_BOYLE

Goldrickssan wrote: »

It shows level 3 actually works though.

And it will be more effective when it's country wide.

It works to flatten the curve. Not to cut cases.

BringBackMick

Richard Boyd Barett = Paul Murphy

TexasTornado

hynesie08 wrote: »

Dublin gone from near 60% of cases to a little under 25% is really good news anyway....

Not for the rest of the country it isn't.

Goldrickssan

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

It works to flatten the curve. Not to cut cases.

That's the goal.
Covid 0 isn't the goal.

John O.Groats

niallo27 wrote: »

Zero deaths again, will they ever go away and **** off.

I know it doesn`t suit your agenda but thankfully no they won`t.

landofthetree

Deshawn wrote: »

Private hospitals shouldn't have to make up for the failings of the hse.

Let the fallout of the triple whammy of the Coronavirus pandemic, the winter flu and the backlog of hse cases be on the heads of Martin, Varadkar and the other clown.

4 weeks of maximum restrictions could be an opportunity lost. Shortsighted

The best health system in Europe is the German one.

They use private hospitals a lot.

SleetAndSnow

hynesie08 wrote: »

Dublin gone from near 60% of cases to a little under 25% is really good news anyway....

Is this not just because everywhere else has had an uptick of cases? Dublin has been fairly stable in the 120s-140s with the occasional higher/lower from the start, unless I am just getting confused

Tenzor07

Ohmeha wrote: »

All of the main supermarket retailers Dunnes/Tesco/Supervalu/Aldi/Lidl in Dublin are failing to enforce customers wearing masks or their staff wearing visors properly. This weekend I watched people in Tesco with masks worn below their chin eating fast-food in the store and sniffing into Shampoo bottles

Supermarkets aren't there to enforce the law, they can request customers wear them but it's up to the Gardai like it or not to enforce the laws.

Apart from the fact that the Mandatory wearing of Face masks provision in law expired today, so it's no longer Mandatory to wear them...

dzsfah2xoynme9

thelad95 wrote: »

Meanwhile we're perfectly happy to allow a bunch of left wing loonies march down Grafton Street putting innocent civilians who were caught up in it along with workers on Grafton Street at risk.

Left wing? Think you're well off there pal..

Deshawn

landofthetree wrote: »

The best health system in Europe is the German one.

They use private hospitals a lot.

Hse isn't fit for purpose covid or no covid. Are we going to pretend different