Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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caveat emptor wrote: »

Sweden changing tune regarding lockdowns.
Why would they need them if they are immune?


https://twitter.com/thereal_truther/status/1308830873425506306?s=20

That twitter post reads a bit like a spiteful 'I told you so' moment

The last few months have been rather peaceful for Sweden COVID wise, so this is upsetting news

ACitizenErased

pjohnson wrote: »

But not like the time you were telling people to ignore "outliers" as they made things bad.

Not exactly a paragon of facts and truth.

Point me to where I said ignore an outlier.
If you followed the conversation, I pointed out that outliers skew averages. A fact. Am i wrong?

ACitizenErased

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Why do you think that COVID will cause more long term health problems than other infectious diseases (many of which are more deadly than COVID to children)? There is zero evidence to support that view.

COVID has been here for years, long term effects are already known, don't ya know?

caveat emptor

CiarraiManc wrote: »

So I guess that torpedoes the magic vaccine by the year's end then? Lockdown and restrictions are here to stay?

I don't proclaim to know. Sorry. Hopefully a vaccine will work or we can suppress to a level where no need to worry about it. The long term morbidity is not well understood but most experts agree it hasn't spread near the levels that we would have immunity. Very tricky situation for most countries at the moment.

Meanwhile. Here's a funny video. "Assumption is the mother of all ****ups"

AdamD

Arghus wrote: »

The next ten days are critical.

As will be the ten days after that.

Every period of time will be critical until the situation fundamentally changes.

It loses its meaning. If you constantly say the next 2 weeks is critical, the message is gone.

Drumpot wrote: »

Yeh and he’s frustrated at people constantly focusing on what we don’t have as opposed to things we can do. Most people are working, most children in schools , most pubs open outside of Dublin and most hospital services available.

There is a lot of truth to it.

Yes I can continue working all week but my social life is destroyed, brilliant. I'll focus on the fact I can still do the unenjoyable parts of life.

froog

the let it rip crowd seem to have an awful lot of confidence in our health system for some reason. bizarre.

spookwoman

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Why do you think that COVID will cause more long term health problems than other infectious diseases (many of which are more deadly than COVID to children)? There is zero evidence to support that view.

Where have I said that I think there may be more long term health problems in children?
I was replying to Raind's reply

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes we do. Thankfully children are less impacted by Covid than even flu.

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Goldengirl wrote: »

No.
You don't know that.

If even 0.5% of children infected develop longterm complications it is too much of a risk.

What impact is OK for anybody?
Who is to say it is alright for any body's child to become infected?

We are the adults here I hope and surely we should be first trying to protect our children and then our loved ones and ourselves from an illness we still know very little about.

and how do you know they won't? There is no published peer reviewed data on it. There are some articles saying limited data but "May" does not mean
"it will not".

normanoffside

screamer wrote: »

Yes, but your whataboutery doesn’t change the facts on their population density and single occupancy homes.

Besides, I really believe the biggest differentiator is their attitude to the expert advise, which they follow to the last. Not like Ireland where everyone knows better

Yeah but their expert advice tells them to be careful and get on with it responsibly.
Our expert advisors wag their fingers at us and don't trust us.

If I've learned one thing in life it's that if you explain things to people and trust them to make the right decisions they will generally react positively.
If you treat them like children and tell them what they can't do, they will generally rebel.

caveat emptor

She's mutating....positve or negative you ask. Not sure.
Read that thread for more info.

edit: don't read into the chart "first wave" had less samples than "second wave"
Could be good, could be bad. Would love to know.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1308838668883419139?s=20

Boggles

Why are our elective officials spending time and money on the gauging the opinion of the likes of McConkey and Giesecke?

Completely undermines our own public health and emergency response team.

Michael McNamara is acting like a complete fúcking dickhead, akin to one of these anti mask dribblers marching around with a flag.

timmy_mallet

caveat emptor wrote: »

She's mutating....positve or negative you ask. Not sure.
Read that thread for more info.

edit: don't read into the chart "first wave" had less samples than "second wave"
Could be good, could be bad. Would love to know.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1308838668883419139?s=20

In summary, mask wearing is likely to have caused the virus to mutate, to be more transmissible, increasing its viral load, and ultimately being more deadly.

AdamD

AdamD wrote: »

It loses its meaning. If you constantly say the next 2 weeks is critical, the message is gone.


Yes I can continue working all week but my social life is destroyed, brilliant. I'll focus on the fact I can still do the unenjoyable parts of life.

This. Most people I know have completely stopped listening to the message. It’s just background noise. Glynn can rant until he is blue in the face, but the only people listening are those who are already obeying the rules. He’s not getting through at all any more to those who are not. Telling people that being able to work is a positive on which they should focus.....Jesus Christ.....not a good message

billybonkers

These threads in the last few days have been nothing but tit for tat between a few posters. Absolutely no discussion what so ever just trying to one up each other.

Used to be a place for open discussion about what's going on, sharing interesting findings, insights etc

Now you have to travel through so much crap to find the interesting posts.

Bit of a shame

spookwoman

spookwoman wrote: »

It's not that simple.
Using 2016 numbers 0-18 there would be 6258.98 with long term complications. We already have a system where children are waiting years to see specialists etc for existing problems. Dump that number on an existing overstretched service and there will be deaths.
Even with .05% having complications that does not take into account the lack of existing icu beds for children that would need them while they are infected and needing medical treatment.

0.3% is the actual icu rate in under 24s. Data isn’t refined enough to go to 0-18. But where is the evidence for long term complications in children?

It’s a serious disease in adults and the older you get the more serious it gets, but in children it is minor

Roots 2020

Will Halloween have social distancing trick or treating?!

I'm happy if that sh*te isn't on this year.

caveat emptor

timmy_mallet wrote: »

In summary, mask wearing is likely to have caused the virus to mutate, to be more transmissible, increasing its viral load, and ultimately being more deadly.

Not necessarily bad. Looks like more transmissible (small change) so maybe harder to control but no change in severity.

Yes,
Yes,
maybe,
no thankfully.



https://twitter.com/CovidGenomicsUK/status/1279044327075917824?s=20

spookwoman

Deleted User wrote: »

0.3% is the actual icu rate in under 24s. Data isn’t refined enough to go to 0-18. But where is the evidence for long term complications in children?

It’s a serious disease in adults and the older you get the more serious it gets, but in children it is minor

Did you read my post? I said there was no peer reviewed proof that it is or is not more minor in children. I also said "may" is not a definitive yes or no.

at 0.3% of 0-18 it's 3755.388. Our system can't even handle our existing sick children.

majcos

Deleted User wrote: »

Massive outbreak in lifford was nothing to do with border. Heard annecdotely girl came back from Dublin and was at a party there then went home to a small party of 8 in lifford infected all 8 and spread to all those households in the area. All 8 were locals. House parties seem to horrendous for this.

Lifford is sitting right on the border. It’s a twin town with Strabane in Tyrone. They are practically two halves of one town. An outbreak there would inevitably be cross-border outbreak.

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

She's mutating....positve or negative you ask. Not sure.
Read that thread for more info.

edit: don't read into the chart "first wave" had less samples than "second wave"
Could be good, could be bad. Would love to know.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1308838668883419139?s=20

I was waiting to see what the nutritionist had to say

DangerScouse

froog wrote: »

the let it rip crowd seem to have an awful lot of confidence in our health system for some reason. bizarre.

They don't give a sh1t about the health system or the people who will suffer. It's the Me generation.

Goldengirl

AUDI20 wrote: »

So True I have yet to see a positive post on here yet from any poster

NPHET said while still too early to be certain, numbers have been more stable in the last few days.

Sconsey

timmy_mallet wrote: »

In summary, mask wearing is likely to have caused the virus to mutate, to be more transmissible, increasing its viral load, and ultimately being more deadly.

Hey Timmy, why did you twist the quote to focus on masks?....

the actual quote:

Morens noted that this is a single paper, and “you don’t want to over-interpret what this means.” But the virus, he said, could potentially be responding — through random mutations — to such interventions as mask-wearing and social distancing, Morens said Wednesday.

“Wearing masks, washing our hands, all those things are barriers to transmissibility, or contagion, but as the virus becomes more contagious it statistically is better at getting around those barriers,” said Morens, senior adviser to Anthony S. Fauci, the director of NIAID.

Are you not capable of comprehending the full statements? Guess not.

caveat emptor

Deleted User wrote: »

I was waiting to see what the nutritionist had to say

Says the physicist. Yeah I just asked the plumber. He says we are grand although the electrician is not so sure. I'll ask the baker in the morning.

I've given up asking the randomer on the internet. Not very reliable.

Here's an article discussing it although it predates that US study referenced in the tweet.

My random review of the facts are it's been around ages. Probably doesn't mean much.
At the risk of sounding negative this doesn't mean we can depend on the next genetic change being benign.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6

Goldengirl

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Ah yes like the lies they posted about reinfection which I eventually debunked. Facts, right.

Must have missed that?
So it was lies about those people that we have read so far that have been reinfected?

DevilsHaircut

Good article on Gupta/Heneghan/Sikora and the rest, and their murky connections.

'this group’s claims about the Coronavirus have no basis in peer-reviewed scientific literature. Instead, it represents what one top British epidemiologist has described as “a fringe group of scientists”, out of sync with “most of the public health experts in the world”.'

https://twitter.com/BylineTimes/status/1308787363053797381

Goldengirl

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes we do. Thankfully children are less impacted by Covid than even flu.

Except for those that are very ill with it and develop further complications or die, yes.
So you think that is a risk worth taking?
I don't.

Non solum non ambulabit

Goldengirl wrote: »

Must have missed that?
So it was lies about those people that we have read so far that have been reinfected?

And off we go again.....yawn

Goldengirl

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Our children get infected with all sorts of bugs and viruses all the time. Many of these may be new stains, and we know as little (or less) about them as COVID. We do know that COVID has a tiny mortality rate in children. It is lower risk for children than many other infections.

That is total rubbish.

John O.Groats

Santy2015 wrote: »

Go back and curtain twitch for yourself. Goodman

Hilarious ........... not. Any more pearls of wisdom to offer?

spookwoman

Goldengirl wrote: »

Must have missed that?
So it was lies about those people that we have read so far that have been reinfected?

Strange that ecdc would so a threat assessment brief 2 days ago.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/Re-infection-and-viral-shedding-threat-assessment-brief.pdf