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Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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    #662
    Harry Palmr
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    Was this posted earlier?

    https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1308867364843335688


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    #663
    Plumbthedepths
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    plodder wrote: »
    So, complete garbage from the national broadcaster then .. wonderful

    Honestly, are you surprised?


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    #664
    timmy_mallet
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    plodder wrote: »
    So, complete garbage from the national broadcaster then .. wonderful

    The budget's gone on Dustin's return, sorry.


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    #665
    ACitizenErased
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    So you are ok with people just shooting down confirmed research with just a throwaway dismissive comment ?

    Oh yes , I suppose you are ......forgot for a minute there
    I can't believe it's September and people still cannot grasp, despite how many times scientists (and NPHET) say it, that 99.9999999% of children will be perfectly fine.
    Per HPSC there has been 0 deaths under the age of 15 in Ireland.


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    #666
    kevthegaff
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    Wheres Tony Houlihan gone to?


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    #667
    Gods Gift
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    kevthegaff wrote: »
    Wheres Tony Houlihan gone to?

    Looking after his wife who is very ill with cancer.


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    #668
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    plodder wrote: »
    So, the blue is 0-19 and the orange/gold is 20-64. Makes sense if fairly craply shown.

    Shows how teenagers been unfairly targeted going back several weeks.

    While I think it is necessary that the schools are open I question the need for the colleges to be open, people travel far greater distance for college, a cluster in college could travel in many directions on a weekend when they head home, people of that age should be able to avail of online learning, if they don't have good enough Internet it should be possible to download it to watch later.


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    #669
    Non solum non ambulabit
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    plodder wrote: »
    Can anyone explain this graph from the RTE 9 oclock news this evening? It makes no sense to me.

    527237.jpeg

    Despite the fear over schools. No uptick on young.

    Over 65s is increasing.

    They should really be line graphs not filled in.


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    #670
    Arghus
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    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Stabilisation of numbers means it is getting better as the recent trend was rising numbers.

    You can't read definitively into that if it's just been a short amount of days, Professor Nolan was at pains to point that out. And it has been a short amount of days. It could just be a blip, it takes a longer period of time than just 3-4 days to ascertain if there is a genuine trend at play. The 7 and 14 day instance are still rising. It's been too short a time to call it a stabilisation.

    We have had periods like this before where the numbers have steadied for a few days before rising again. Back when they made the first announcement of pubs staying shut the numbers stayed steady enough for the few days that followed, but then eventually started to rise again.


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    #671
    Roger_007
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    Does anyone know what the age breakdown is for those currently in hospital/ICU?
    We keep hearing of younger people being increasingly getting serious complications from Covid but we never get a proper age analysis of those who are hospitalised.


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    #672
    Non solum non ambulabit
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    They've mixed up the ages, it's the other way around

    I don't think they did. Over 65s growing faster than under 19. Discussed at press conference earlier.


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    #673
    plodder
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    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    I don't think they did. Over 65s growing faster than under 19. Discussed at press conference earlier.
    But that interpretation would have the over 65s as the major driver of infection since mid July. That can't be true surely?


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    #674
    bloopy
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Was this posted earlier?

    https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1308867364843335688

    What is this. This is a twisting of the mans words. In the interview he was suggesting that the Sweden route may be one to look at, not that it should be conducted in the exact same way. To portray it as him backtracking is incredibly dishonest reporting. The Drivetime presenter didn't even bother to have a proper interview with the man - just kept throwing odd accusations and mentioning slightly larger class sizes.

    What the hell is going on here - is this a setup or something?
    What the f*** are the Irish media up to?


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    #675
    Goldengirl
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    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    I’ve no idea what you are asking me to prove. It’s clear that COVID is less dangerous to children. The mortality data in every country in the world shows this.

    No . You didn't say that .
    What I replied to was you saying in a number of posts that there was " zero evidence " of Covid causing any harm more than any infectious disease .
    I said that wasn't so .
    I supplied the link to the study in the Lancet .
    You and your pals then dismiss it out of hand with no reason or debate ...
    Spookwoman asked you to show or prove why you dismiss it out of hand .
    ACS then rushes to defend the frankly indefensible with more non debate.
    Now you are trying to say you said something different to start with .
    I think you all need to think whether you want to discuss anything for real or just not .


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    #676
    Non solum non ambulabit
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    plodder wrote: »
    But that interpretation would have the over 65s as the major driver of infection since mid July. That can't be true surely?

    No. It's the incidence per 100k in each age group. Independent of other age groups. If they put in 20 to 40 yr it would be off that chart.


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    #677
    spookwoman
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    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Take a look at excess death stats on euromomo. There are no excess deaths in 2020 in children in any country in Europe.

    I didn't mention children when talking about numbers not always reported properly by countries. It was a general statement, but sure you will probably twist that as well.


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    #678
    Goldengirl
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I can't believe it's September and people still cannot grasp, despite how many times scientists (and NPHET) say it, that 99.9999999% of children will be perfectly fine.
    Per HPSC there has been 0 deaths under the age of 15 in Ireland.

    Not talking about deaths here , as you know quite well .
    If you don't then read the link posted about PIMS


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    #679
    MerlinSouthDub
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    No . You didn't say that .
    What I replied to was you saying in a number of posts that there was " zero evidence " of Covid causing any harm more than any infectious disease .
    I said that wasn't so .
    I supplied the link to the study in the Lancet .
    You and your pals then dismiss it out of hand with no reason or debate ...
    Spookwoman asked you to show or prove why you dismiss it out of hand .
    ACS then rushes to defend the frankly indefensible with more non debate.
    Now you are trying to say you said something different to start with .
    I think you all need to think whether you want to discuss anything for real or just not .

    When you send me a link to a paper which supports your contention that COVID is more dangerous to children that other infectious diseases, I will happily discuss it with you.


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    #680
    Non solum non ambulabit
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    plodder wrote: »
    Can anyone explain this graph from the RTE 9 oclock news this evening? It makes no sense to me.

    527237.jpeg

    Missing all other age groups. UK had a similar chart the other day but included all ages.

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    #681
    ACitizenErased
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Not talking about deaths here , as you know quite well .
    If you don't then read the link posted about PIMS
    You mean the study that was inconclusive?
    Although there has been an increasing number of case reports and case series, the global and population-specific incidence of MIS-C remains unknown, and the causal relationship and pathogenesis of Kawasaki disease and MIS-C remain unclear.


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    #682
    [Deleted User]
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    Are we actually suggesting that Covid is dangerous to young people... despite only having 1 death under 25.


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    #683
    eagle eye
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    Goldengirl wrote:
    Must have missed that? So it was lies about those people that we have read so far that have been reinfected?
    He doesn't have the qualifications to debunk anything either.


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    #684
    ACitizenErased
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    I must have missed the signup option for Boards where you attach your degree


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    #685
    timmy_mallet
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Are we actually suggesting that Covid is dangerous to young people... despite only having 1 death under 25.

    Essentially, yes.


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    #686
    Plumbthedepths
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    The journey to the Covid test centre is the dangerous part for the under 25's.


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    #687
    fritzelly
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    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    No. It's the incidence per 100k in each age group. Independent of other age groups. If they put in 20 to 40 yr it would be off that chart.

    Today was 28 cases for 65+ so that would be put them at about 5 per 100,000

    Under 64 is way higher

    So the chart is wrong


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    #688
    TonyMaloney
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    Right, so if flu is more dangerous for kids than covid - what happens if kids catch both at the same time?


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    #689
    timmy_mallet
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    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Right, so if flu is more dangerous for kids than covid - what happens if kids catch both at the same time?

    Are you asking a hypothetical?

    Edit: for over 65s, increases in comorbidity deaths, very small sample size.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/22/flu-and-covid-19-at-same-time-significantly-increases-risk-of-death


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    #690
    Goldrickssan
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    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Right, so if flu is more dangerous for kids than covid - what happens if kids catch both at the same time?

    They blow up


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    #691
    ACitizenErased
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    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Right, so if flu is more dangerous for kids than covid - what happens if kids catch both at the same time?
    it's probably not good for anybody to catch both, not just kids


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