Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Looney1

Any predicitions on what nphet will come up with today

bush

US2 wrote: »

If it does, the whole level system was a complete waste of time

The system went out the window the first week sure

billybonkers

Looney1 wrote: »

Any predicitions on what nphet will come up with today

Whole country to level 8

quokula

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

He offered none. The problem is at the early stages government admitted that it was the elderly and vulnerable who were most at risk from the virus. In other words a disease that has little impact on the young. Now they are trying to row back on this information because clearly the youth don't give a shiny one and have decided to carry on with their lives.

In New York City (population about 25% higher than Ireland), as of early May, over 600 young people had died of coronavirus. If Ireland were to get the rate of infection that they did, we'd see similar numbers.

Source

I know you're going to say their lives don't matter because a lot of them were overweight or had asthma or diabetes, but these are all things you can and should be able to live with for many decades.

Hawthorn Tree

Looney1 wrote: »

Any predicitions on what nphet will come up with today

A white rabbit

JP Liz V1

Looney1 wrote: »

Any predicitions on what nphet will come up with today

Dublin level 4 with the rest of ROI level 3?

B.A._Baracus

Zebra3 wrote: »

The whole level system has been a waste of time since day one.

There'd be five levels we were told. Five minutes later Dublin was going to Level 2 and a bit.

But we need to lap up every word from these experts.

I get what you're saying. We're either level 2 or 3. No such thing as 2.5, that's using poorly choiced words. Should have said we are level 2 but coming to matching the criteria for level 3.

But the level system is grand. All it is is a system to convey information to people in a simple way.
I say simple because could there be any other way besides counting to 5?

Could have used colours like the weather but you would have people saying 'what does blue mean again?" Lol.

Plumbthedepths

quokula wrote: »

In New York City (population about 25% higher than Ireland), as of early May, over 600 young people had died of coronavirus. If Ireland were to get the rate of infection that they did, we'd see similar numbers.

Source

I know you're going to say their lives don't matter because a lot of them were overweight or had asthma or diabetes, but these are all things you can and should be able to live with for many decades.

You know what i'm going to say? That's some astounding arrogance and ignorance all at the same time. I'm impressed.
Your link still doesn't change the fact young people don't really care here . They are not going back to March lockdown that ship has sailed.
The incedences mentioned in the media throughout the last several months will confirm this.
Btw NYC pop almost 9 million, densely populated. Ireland pop almost 5 million much less densely populated.

Kimbot

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Dublin level 4 with the rest of ROI level 3?

That would be a disgrace if true, some counties have had 1 or 2 cases per day so they should not be moved to level 3 along with others that have 100+ per day.

robbiezero

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Dublin level 4 with the rest of ROI level 3?

Why would Dublin be going up a level when there is a possibilty of numbers stabilizing even before the impact of the latest restrictions?

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

There wasn't an increase of 6% in July.

It's an annual 6.4% increase on last year.

On July last year, not on YTD total

ixoy

robbiezero wrote: »

Why would Dublin be going up a level when there is a possibilty of numbers stabilizing even before the impact of the latest restrictions?

I suspect NPHET recommended Level 4 already but it was seen as too much of a jump - easier to go from 3 to 4, than 2 to 4.

Boggles

Looney1 wrote: »

Any predicitions on what nphet will come up with today

"Fúck it let's do a Sweden"

Jim_Hodge

robbiezero wrote: »

Why would Dublin be going up a level when there is a possibilty of numbers stabilizing even before the impact of the latest restrictions?

Where are you getting this possibility if numbers stabilising? And the numbers need to come down considerably, not hold at current levels. The R0 is just too high.

JDD

Is this whole threat of "we have two weeks to get our house in order to avoid national lockdown" actually realistic? Or helpful?

I mean, "national lockdown" does not mean April/May type lockdown. We know that. What it probably means is Level 3 across the country. I wish they wouldn't use such emotive, vague language and treat us all like adults.

And this thing of "the majority of admissions to ICU in the last week are under 65, and a number are in younger age groups". A number? One is a number. So if one person in the 45-54 age group was admitted to the ICU, you could accurately say that a number are in younger age groups. Why can't they be more specific?

If I was 15-24, well, I probably wouldn't be reading the newspapers anyway so I wouldn't actually hear this sentence, but if I did I'd be like "whatever, that number is tiny, and "young people" could mean anything, won't happen to me" and go on worrying about whether my friends are talking about me behind my back.

If NPHET are deliberately being unclear because they want to frighten young people into compliance, it certainly isn't working. Could they not be honest, give accurate figures, and appeal directly to teenagers/twentysomethings saying that it is unlikely that they'll die from this disease, it appears that most recover without lingering symptoms BUT there is still research into that, and really the main reason why we don't want young people to catch it is because we don't want them to spread it. Just be honest.

JP Liz V1

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Dublin level 4 with the rest of ROI level 3?

This is what Level 4 looks like in Western Australia


all existing gathering limits and the 100/300 rule removed
gathering limits only determined by WA’s reduced 2 square metre rule
the 2 square metre rule will only include staff at venues that hold more than 500 patrons
removal of seated service requirements at food businesses and licensed premises
no requirement to maintain patron register at food businesses and licensed premises
alcohol can be served as part of unseated service arrangements
major events permitted, subject to having an approved COVID Event Plan
unseated performances permitted at venues such as concert halls, live music venues, bars, pubs and nightclubs
gyms operating unstaffed, but regular cleaning must be maintained
the casino gaming floor reopening under agreed temporary restrictions.
For WA’s major sport and entertainment venues, a 50 per cent capacity rule applies. Therefore, under Phase 4, the temporary capacity of major stadiums is:

Optus Stadium
Sport: 30,633
Concerts: 35,000

HBF Park
Sport: 10,150
Concerts: 16,500

HBF Stadium
Sport: 2218
Concerts: 2945

RAC Arena
Sport: 7150
Concerts: 8250

sp00k

Dr. Anthony Fauci on the Late Late tomorrow night. I wonder will Tubridy question him about the virus, or make him list the things he loves about Ireland and give him a GAA jersey. I'm thinking the latter.

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manniot2 wrote: »

To give an indication of the fear out there - my uncle is in his late 50s. Had cancer 20 years ago but is healthy as a rhino now. he is out of his mind with fear. he has moved into the garage to distance himself from the family (daughters a teacher). he has meals at different times to them and when entering the house he goes in the window. this is not a joke.

That's absolute lunacy and more to do with your uncle than the fear out there. For the most part, people are the exact opposite outside of this forum. Life is going on as normal as it can but if you're following things here and keeping an eye on the news, you may get the impression that everyone is fearful.

All you have to do is take a walk into Dublin City to see that it's all go really, not that different at all bar the masks on faces. I live near a restaurant that has provided outdoor seating and its seats are never empty walking by, although today's rain might change that.

Your uncles fear is irrational but definitely not a reflection of too many others.

Zebra3

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I get what you're saying. We're either level 2 or 3. No such thing as 2.5, that's using poorly choiced words. Should have said we are level 2 but coming to matching the criteria for level 3.

But the level system is grand. All it is is a system to convey information to people in a simple way.
I say simple because could there be any other way besides counting to 5?

Could have used colours like the weather but you would have people saying 'what does blue mean again?" Lol.

Yep, the system itself makes sense but when those who come up with the idea move away from it almost instantaneously, you begin to wonder what's the point and people start to lose faith in them.

JP Liz V1

sp00k wrote: »

Dr. Anthony Fauci on the Late Late tomorrow night. I wonder will Tubridy question him about the virus, or make him list the things he loves about Ireland and give him a GAA jersey. I'm thinking the latter.

Or about Brad Pitt

Funsterdelux

sp00k wrote: »

Dr. Anthony Fauci on the Late Late tomorrow night. I wonder will Tubridy question him about the virus, or make him list the things he loves about Ireland and give him a GAA jersey. I'm thinking the latter.

Give him a hurley. Ask him can he call him Tony, Ask him why he thinks Trumps so orange and did he ever meet JFK

Edit: post him a hurley

Jim_Hodge

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

This is what Level 4 looks like in Western Australia


all existing gathering limits and the 100/300 rule removed
gathering limits only determined by WA’s reduced 2 square metre rule
the 2 square metre rule will only include staff at venues that hold more than 500 patrons
removal of seated service requirements at food businesses and licensed premises
no requirement to maintain patron register at food businesses and licensed premises
alcohol can be served as part of unseated service arrangements
major events permitted, subject to having an approved COVID Event Plan
unseated performances permitted at venues such as concert halls, live music venues, bars, pubs and nightclubs
gyms operating unstaffed, but regular cleaning must be maintained
the casino gaming floor reopening under agreed temporary restrictions.
For WA’s major sport and entertainment venues, a 50 per cent capacity rule applies. Therefore, under Phase 4, the temporary capacity of major stadiums is:

Optus Stadium
Sport: 30,633
Concerts: 35,000

HBF Park
Sport: 10,150
Concerts: 16,500

HBF Stadium
Sport: 2218
Concerts: 2945

RAC Arena
Sport: 7150
Concerts: 8250

Apples and Oranges. They have a six level plan for a start. They're not comparable.

JP Liz V1

Kimbot wrote: »

That would be a disgrace if true, some counties have had 1 or 2 cases per day so they should not be moved to level 3 along with others that have 100+ per day.

robbiezero wrote: »

Why would Dublin be going up a level when there is a possibilty of numbers stabilizing even before the impact of the latest restrictions?

I'm just guessing but with rising numbers could happen

Benimar

JDD wrote: »

Is this whole threat of "we have two weeks to get our house in order to avoid national lockdown" actually realistic? Or helpful?

I mean, "national lockdown" does not mean April/May type lockdown. We know that. What it probably means is Level 3 across the country. I wish they wouldn't use such emotive, vague language and treat us all like adults.

And this thing of "the majority of admissions to ICU in the last week are under 65, and a number are in younger age groups". A number? One is a number. So if one person in the 45-54 age group was admitted to the ICU, you could accurately say that a number are in younger age groups. Why can't they be more specific?

If I was 15-24, well, I probably wouldn't be reading the newspapers anyway so I wouldn't actually hear this sentence, but if I did I'd be like "whatever, that number is tiny, and "young people" could mean anything, won't happen to me" and go on worrying about whether my friends are talking about me behind my back.

If NPHET are deliberately being unclear because they want to frighten young people into compliance, it certainly isn't working. Could they not be honest, give accurate figures, and appeal directly to teenagers/twentysomethings saying that it is unlikely that they'll die from this disease, it appears that most recover without lingering symptoms BUT there is still research into that, and really the main reason why we don't want young people to catch it is because we don't want them to spread it. Just be honest.

It was mentioned last night at the briefing that there are 7 under 45s after being admitted to ICU in recent times (can't remember exact time span but was either the last 2 or 3 weeks)

funnydoggy

sp00k wrote: »

Dr. Anthony Fauci on the Late Late tomorrow night. I wonder will Tubridy question him about the virus, or make him list the things he loves about Ireland and give him a GAA jersey. I'm thinking the latter.

How in the name of all that is holy did he get the time for an interview with an Irish broadcaster? :pac::pac:

Jim_Hodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Apples and Oranges. They have a six level plan for a start. They're not comparable.

I just wish I was there

seamus

Zebra3 wrote: »

Yep, the system itself makes sense but when those who come up with the idea move away from it almost instantaneously, you begin to wonder what's the point and people start to lose faith in them.

And this is why a move to level 4 is not on the cards for Dublin.

No matter how much NPHET want it, moving Dublin to level 4 less than a week after moving to level 3 (without a drastic explosion in cases) will just prove to people that the tail is wagging the dog and the government literally haven't a clue what they're doing.

Dublin will remain on level 3 until Sunday 4th October at the earliest. Any move before then will make this worse, not better.

JP Liz V1

funnydoggy wrote: »

How in the name of all that is holy did he get the time for an interview with an Irish broadcaster? :pac::pac:

Has Trump benched / sidelined Fauci?

caveat emptor

Not sure if this was posted.

Seems dogs are rather good at detecting the virus. Rolling them out at Helsinki airport.

:eek:

It follows a study by the University of Helsinki's Veterinary Faculty, which suggested trained dogs can detect COVID-19 with close to 100% certainty.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1308724533415772160?s=20

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caveat emptor wrote: »

Not sure if this was posted.

Seems dogs are rather good at detecting the virus. Rolling them out at Helsinki airport.

:eek:


https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1308724533415772160?s=20

I wonder if the dogs caught it, would they be smelling Covid everywhere with it in their own nose? The whole place shut down.