Beef price tracker 2

morphy87

Bass Reeves wrote: »

No they would not be as fit as this time last year. But I nearly always move from end of June on. I move in groups of 4-8. If I do not move some I cannot add others into the finishing bunch. As well the most forward cattle in a bunch are eating the most ration.

I have 25 in the bunch being fed 3 kg/ head. The best 6-8 are probably averaging 4 kgs or maybe a tad with it, that means the lighter ones are back at or below 2 kgs.

Take 6 out and the next 6-8 start to come faster.

How long do you feed them for?

Hershall

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I hoping to move a bunch next week. There is a couple of three year old bullocks and a few underage FR's. Have not priced around yet so we will see.

I be moving mine as they are fairly fit as I find Friesians struggle to put on weight from September on. I do not see it as hot as this in September or even August either. As I said there is probably 6 weeks in it.

Cattle will remain scarce for another two weeks. Even then I do not expect a flood of cattle. I put up about those AA bullocks in Listowel. They should not be moving untill late August by right( the oldest had 60 day before overage the youngest 100+) but if I owned them I do the same. It was a flaking price for them.

If you are getting a good price keep anything you can moving

Probably kill some week after next 4.25 to be got for blks at the moment

morphy87

Hershall wrote: »

Probably kill some week after next 4.25 to be got for blks at the moment

Is 4.25 easily got now? Are cattle scarce back your way?

MIKEKC

49801 wrote: »

Contract rearing. Brother running it as well as working full time.

I lost interest when our own stock were sold.

As Michael Fitzmaurice (he is a TD in the west)said short term gain for long term pain

Hershall

morphy87 wrote: »

Is 4.25 easily got now? Are cattle scarce back your way?

Scarce enuf ya 4.25 to be got for bks next week

Bass Reeves

morphy87 wrote: »

How long do you feed them for?

Depends on the market. I have a friesian and a Hereford that have never saw meal and of I got a good price for them now they in the trailer.

Generally I feed from 4-8 weeks maybe more. Grass can go horrible wrong for me. You have to know the land and cattle.

Base price

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Depends on the market. I have a friesian and a Hereford that have never saw meal and of I got a good price for them now they in the trailer.

Generally I feed from 4-8 weeks maybe more. Grass can go horrible wrong for me. You have to know the land and cattle.

:eek:

memorystick

I’m feeding 3 kgs to a mix of bullocks. A good few AA in the mix. Not great cattle but middling stock but thriving. All over 26 months + What’s a good price for AA at the moment?

Bass Reeves

memorystick wrote: »

I’m feeding 3 kgs to a mix of bullocks. A good few AA in the mix. Not great cattle but middling stock but thriving. All over 26 months + What’s a good price for AA at the moment?

Is that over 36 not 26?

If AA are under 30 months they are on fire in the marts. Have only heard rumours but flat prices for plain AA are being done at 4.5+/kg. Factories are supposed to be giving 20c bonus instead of 10c and a good base price as well for them. Saw a bunch in Listowel 565kgs LW made 1500 euro. That's 5.1/kg.
If you have numbers I say in the one bunch in the mart.

memorystick

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Jjameson

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Is that over 36 not 26?

If AA are under 30 months they are on fire in the marts. Have only heard rumours but flat prices for plain AA are being done at 4.5+/kg. Factories are supposed to be giving 20c bonus instead of 10c and a good base price as well for them. Saw a bunch in Listowel 565kgs LW made 1500 euro. That's 5.1/kg.
If you have numbers I say in the one bunch in the mart.

They are a good trade in the right marts if the right buyers are there. the big high price flate quotes seem to be illusive.
The plants with the bonus payments don’t buy flat from mortals, and trying to hit all the specs is like crash bandicoot level 22.
4.40 or even 4.30 flat for middle of road o= Underage bullocks is not bad considering the pitfalls like fatscore 5.

grange mac

Bass Reeves wrote: »

He might be a better judge of cattle than we think. At 850 kgs and it being mart weight he should killout 55/56%. He be 475DW at 56%. He should grade U-/U=. By the look of it next week's base will be 4.25/kg

U30 months that bullock should make 4.57/4.63per kg he would make 2150-2220
Over 30 months he should make a price of 4.45-4.5/kg he make 2100euro

He may know his own cattle, there grading and killout

This man was a better judge of cattle than I thought well done Bass, your logic was correct.
They topped out at 2020 as they are hitting 30 months on Friday. Next buyer wouldn't get QA so he best person to bring them to factory this week as he is QA. And he should do better than the 2020 even after the weight loss of Mart for a day.

Bass Reeves

Jjameson wrote: »

They are a good trade in the right marts if the right buyers are there. the big high price flate quotes seem to be illusive.
The plants with the bonus payments don’t buy flat from mortals, and trying to hit all the specs is like crash bandicoot level 22.
4.40 or even 4.30 flat for middle of road o= Underage bullocks is not bad considering the pitfalls like fatscore 5.

4.3 would be a poor price. For an O= grading animal it's a base of 4.18 with standard bonus. I know where you are at with FS but on a bunch unless they are very plain you would expect O+ cattle as well and maybe an R grade. It probably a bit early yet to be worrying about FS on cattle coming off grass unless on very good grass and ration for over 6 weeks

Jjameson

Bass Reeves wrote: »

4.3 would be a poor price. For an O= grading animal it's a base of 4.18 with standard bonus. I know where you are at with FS but on a bunch unless they are very plain you would expect O+ cattle as well and maybe an R grade. It probably a bit early yet to be worrying about FS on cattle coming off grass unless on very good grass and ration for over 6 weeks

O- is still the preferred grade on a monkey operated grading machine. It’s never a case of what the cattle are, it’s a case of what they decide they are.

blue5000

I hope England has a good run in the footy, had a few cows to go this morning and they wanted them in early yesterday instead. 3.50 for Os, I don't think I'll be appealing the grade as I'd say they were on the ferry yesterday evening. Australian beef suppliers will hardly be able to compete with that.

cute geoge

E3.60 is available I heard in one of the munster plants anyway for o cows ,I remember I got 3.70 back in 2012 and it was got again a few years ago for 3 or 4 fr cows

cute geoge

Jjameson wrote: »

O- is still the preferred grade on a monkey operated grading machine. It’s never a case of what the cattle are, it’s a case of what they decide they are.

You can hum that I had 10 plain wh heifer under 30 months last Feb some were superior then others yet every one of them graded o- missed out on the 20 cent qa and he bonus only got the 8 cent q.a. so back 22 cent on every one of them

Duke92

What are quotes this week for bullocks and heifers

locha

Duke92 wrote: »

What are quotes this week for bullocks and heifers

4.25 bullocks

Water John

locha wrote: »

4.25 bullocks

Cripes, there were a few here a year or two ago telling us the consumer would never pay that sort of money for beef, ever again.

Dunedin

Water John wrote: »

Cripes, there were a few here a year or two ago telling us the consumer would never pay that sort of money for beef, ever again.

Has beef gone up much in the shops?

amacca

Dunedin wrote: »

Has beef gone up much in the shops?

I don't think so. It's always supply and demand. There's restricted supply or increased demand somewhere.

Is beef not moving from UK into NI and they're taking it from us instead?

memorystick

Water John wrote: »

Cripes, there were a few here a year or two ago telling us the consumer would never pay that sort of money for beef, ever again.

Blaming brexit if memory serves me well

Duke92

Only offering me €4:20 in Waterford

Jjameson

Dunedin wrote: »

Has beef gone up much in the shops?

A great question.
Even at the seemingly impossible €5 a kg the actual boned out beef on a dairy cross o- heifer would only cost around 8€ a kg after boning, remember at that the cheeks, tongue tail offal aren’t paid for.
Try buy back your heifer in Tesco uk for less than €12 a kg across all cuts. You’d have to get it on the near date discount shelf to better it.

At the minute at 4.40 and a poor bone out of 63% it’s standing €7.10 a kg boned out. Excluding 5th quarter.

In 2019 an o- heifer at 3.30 a kg stood them €5.20 a kg.
A retail price index isn’t there but I suspect retail price to uk and European consumers hasn’t risen.
I would love to know though!

Good loser

Water John wrote: »

Cripes, there were a few here a year or two ago telling us the consumer would never pay that sort of money for beef, ever again.

That claim was never made in this forum.

What was said (by myself and others) was that the price paid by the factories, or by Larry Goodman as some liked to say, was based on supply and demand. As the current boom in prices demonstrates.

Jjameson

Good loser wrote: »

That claim was never made in this forum.

What was said (by myself and others) was that the price paid by the factories, or by Larry Goodman as some liked to say, was based on supply and demand. As the current boom in prices demonstrates.

The claim was that it’s a high volume low margin business. That they couldn’t give more. There’s 3 to 500 per animal after appearing to farmers from somewhere in this business.
So who was benefiting in 19?

wrangler

Jjameson wrote: »

The claim was that it’s a high volume low margin business. That they couldn’t give more. There’s 3 to 500 per animal after appearing to farmers from somewhere in this business.
So who was benefiting in 19?

I wouldn't be celebrating yet, look at the lamb price being reeled in, price down a euro/kg in a fortnight. As less farmers are finshing cattle in the frirst six months will surely mean higher supply in the autumn. It'll be interesting to see will it exceed the demand that's out there. There seems to bemore cattle in the system too

blue5000

Exchange rate might account for 20c kg more per kg since Christmas. If restaurants are open in UK, that creates a higher demand for steak cuts. Lots of bbqs now too with the good weather and football. Enjoy it while it lasts lads.

Anto_Meath

While I would agree that there is more cattle in the system, I would guess with more smaller animals coming from the dairy sector, the overall tonnage of beef could be coming in around the same, however the factories would have more 5th quarters as a result. The beef game is like any casino - you win the odd time but the "house" is always winning.