Beef price tracker 2

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117720087#Comment_117720087

The factories couldn’t give a damn about the Irish Uk price difference. they never have.

It’s the same old story. Cattle will be 30 months and will have to go. They couldn’t care less about attention being drawn on them about the cartel either. How many times have complaints being made to the competition authority without success?

Also, lads will still fill their sheds this winter and feed away. I’d say this chat comes up every year on this thread.

The risk of missing out on making money always seems to be greater than the risk of losing it.

DukeCaboom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117721203#Comment_117721203

Absolutely spot on.

Jjameson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117721203#Comment_117721203

This is the first time in many a year they have to take notice as fat and forward cattle are moving northwards and even reports of going across the water. Independent abbatoirs are gaining traction here, ballon meats and Kavanagh’s combined would equal more than half Slaney weekly kill. Another half a days kill moving from Carnew every Saturday. They put out word of a 5 cent cut last Friday week. And not a chance had they!

taking Precedent years as an indicator of future behaviour I’d be inclined to agree with you but for the short term at least this year looks a bit better?

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117721458#Comment_117721458

Where are they going to from carnew? The boat?

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117720715#Comment_117720715

I do not think that any processor's gives a fook about anything.....except to what they can get away with. Processor's have shown an ability to adapt to any situation. They have been challenged over the February price pull and put it down to Brexit. The government is in the mind to put a beef ombudsman as opposed to s regulator.

John Gotti did not give a fook he was in prison by the time he was 53 and spend the rest of his life in prison. Add in Sean Quinn, Sean Dunne and Sean Quinn the last downturn was hard on the Sean's.

There is a political saying when you are explaining you are losing. MII were explaining after February ......the processors will not want them explaining again.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117721203#Comment_117721203

I am not too sure about lads filling sheds if they feel the rug will be pulled from under them. The economics of winter finishing has changed. You are risking 10k's now not a few thousand. It has become very technical. Buying skill around the ring will only take you so far and that swallow's time. I saw a lad having a stool at one of the cubicles around the ring yesterday....just on that they can no longer hope to squeeze in if they go away for a break whether it's a p!SS or a sandwich.

There a lot of U30 month cattle gone already

Good loser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117719120#Comment_117719120

In your efforts to demonize the factories (or the cartel as you call them) and link the IFJ into the conspiracy theories your own analysis is woefully lacking in logic. As the judge (Declan Costello) once said, it does violence at once to the English language and commonsense.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722206#Comment_117722206

I think that is s bit harsh. I bought the rag for the third time this year. The other two times were also because of CAP headline.

It's really a redtop now sorry yellow top. A whole front page consigned to selling the paper. The only real insight was on suckler's the rest about CAP was recycled news.

What was frightening was it continual pushing if a suckler agenda.

As well I hear that the IFA had a crisis meeting in Portlaois regarding finances. Wrangler can you give an update. It was for selected attendee's only so you may not have been invited. I heard they wanted solutions not wafflers.

On the rag itself when you throw the machinery section in the recycling bin and give the better half the country/living section there is not much left for 3.30 euro, there is more in the FI now for 2.20 and you get s bit of general news as well.

Jjameson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117721706#Comment_117721706

Northern buyers is all the mart says.

Jjameson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722206#Comment_117722206

so I’m wrong about that particular journal 2 page article but yet you have no insight as to how I’m wrong.

Did you or do you know anyone get €5.00 a kg for r grade cattle yet? Do you believe Charlie McConalogue owns or dictates our entire cap budget? The red top on the ifj is quite fitting.

I have two kill sheet of underage Angus and Hereford steers24months apart. There’s €1.30 average per kilo in the difference.

€486 on a 360kg plain animal. And there is no consumer index showing the exponential rise. It’s not just €1.30 per kg. Beef has to be boned out so each eurocarcass price requires 30 to 40% more in sales, €1.30 becomes €2.00 at retail across all cuts.

I wasn’t aware judge Declan Costello took such interest in my postings as I haven’t the fist idea who is is!

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722293#Comment_117722293

I haven't been to a meeting in years, thankfully Irish Agriculture doesn't affect me much now apart from my hobby.

I can't see IFA surviving now with the way it's losing money and the lack of importance of agiculture politically or economically to this country.

There's a few that IFA've hired that I wouldn't have agreed with, and they let some go, apart from the retirees, that were good operators

I'm always amused by farmers that are and have to be subsidised up to the hilt criticising a successful business such as IFJ, Like all businesses IFJ have to produce what sells, It must be working for them if they can waste money the way they are in Tullamore

Jjameson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722483#Comment_117722483

So what was happening at that meeting and who was at it?

I says

Killed 10 during all grass no meal the week ave 1.3kgs a day from going to grass 13th March(weighed getting out of the shed)to last Wednesday. All hex and aax all under 30 months. Best did from 430kgsLW on 13th March to killing out at 350kgsDW hex thrived from 1st day at grass and lightest did from 450kgsLW to kill out at 299kgsDW. Graded Os happy out.

Jjameson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722604#Comment_117722604

Divide average weight by average gross price and what price per kg did you average?

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722600#Comment_117722600

From what I understand it was an ad-hoc group, selected elected officers, some senior staff and a small group if so called ordinary members.

Even after the cull of staff last year they are still hemorrhaging cash. From the look of it the beef farmers were paying a sh!t load of money in for poor representation. Now that they have stopped paying the levy and many no longer being members those that the IFA represent will have to pay for IFA lobbying out of there own pocket not your or mine Jjamenson.

When they actively went against convergence they lost the west of Ireland to the INHFA, they lost beef farmers through neglect so the larger lad they represent will now have to finally stump up and pay fir there own lobby group

cute geoge

I am chair in local ifa ,all the small farmers all pay thier due and are happy with their representation but all the lads well able to pay and get most benefit wont pay their membership .5 big local beef finisher who all got 100/finished animal from ifa lobbying none renewed their membership .I really think it is a sinking ship but when it is gone the big farmers will lose the most .It just shows greed by alot of farmers not paying a couple of hundred for all the representation they get .By the talk on here you would swear every ifa officer is on a wage ,I wonder how long more alot of them will bother with the great support they get from fellow farmers .I think Ifa have some of the most forward thinking farmers in their ranks the likes of harold Kingston really impress me

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722600#Comment_117722600

IFA would often co opt an ad hoc project team for specific issues, People who'd have an interest and talent forthe problems at the time...... I wouldn't put much credence on it. They'd employ top professionals on itas well. I wouldn't be surprised if IFAs' problems were terminal at this stage

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723115#Comment_117723115

When Pat Smith went to Connaught and west of Ireland meeting threatening Regionalisation to those looking for Convergence in 2014 it was a disgrace. The IFA opened a door for farmers west of Athlone from Mizen Head to Mallen Head who duly exited in droves. They also pulled there levies from marts. The IFA membership numbers do not show the true decline as they now encourage members to register there spouses and family to hide loss of numbers

cute geoge

Bad and all the ifa have been but who the fuk is going to replace them .from what i see in other farm org. they have fairly dim respresentation like how many dairy farmers could name the leader of the icmsa .This is not an attack on them they probably do there own bit of good but the ifa could still have sway if farmers would row with it not lambasting them at every turn on legacy issues

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722604#Comment_117722604

That’s good going weight wise,you must of having good grass in front of them all year,I am just wondering what should cattle put on a day over the summer if good quality grass is in front of them? Would your figures be the norm or did yours do exceptionally well?

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723249#Comment_117723249

I've often said here on Boards that for the majority of us national IFA officers then, it didn't make a bit of difference if IFA went, as we all had farms that needed us and maybe we should've been looking after them anyway..

Farmers have beef Plan now and maybe they deserve each other, As you say farmers are losing 100s on cattle in teh marts and it's purely because Beef Plan has them brainwashed into not dealing with the factories....... you couldn't make it up

Jjameson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117724552#Comment_117724552

The ifa would do well to disconnect your WiFi or even you thumbs to stop you antagonising farmers on this with your ridiculous narrative.

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723249#Comment_117723249

I wouldn't put much credibility on any reports you heard from conaught, I was invited down to a meeting that marian harkin held then and she thought she was going to take my entitlements FFS. I know some of our officers left it but I stayed to the end, She was playing to the audience and they couldn't see it, Is it any wonder I used to come out of those meetings saying ''f..kem

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117724620#Comment_117724620

Farmers not paying the levy aren't in the real world, you wouldn't run a hockey club on a €100 - €150 membership

Cavanjack

What are ye paying for feed these days. Getting a good barley maize mix for €270. Wouldn’t say it’s coming down anytime soon.

Jjameson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117724676#Comment_117724676

we wouldn’t understand what it takes to keep a large building in Bluebell Dublin!

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117723287#Comment_117723287

An organisation is no good to you if it will not represent all members interests fairly. What were west of Ireland members to do after that. They left and formed the INHFA. That was not the only issue. SAC farmers and those on commonages were hard done by during REPS and GLAS deals. No provision was made for decent payments on these lands if you were not in an environment scheme, you payment was capped much the same as non SAC land and payment made no allowance for amount of land involved.

Upward only convergence mantra during the last negotiation showed these farmers that IFA had no interest in representing them not only that they actively lobbied against these farmers interest. It was INHFA and the likes of Ming in Brussels that pushed the convergence.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117724639#Comment_117724639

It was reported in the rag at the time that is where I got the story from.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117725099#Comment_117725099

Much the same 260/ ton but was quoted 280 as well for maize/ Barley/ hulls

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117725376#Comment_117725376

I doubt it, IFA were opposed to regionalisation.

As it was going to affect me so much I made sure to be at all the meetings

Good loser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117722293#Comment_117722293

The IFJ is a seriously good paper and always has been. The editor is outstanding. Nowhere else comes near to providing the day-to-day commentary and analysis on the CAP negotiations that it does. This country missed the ball bigtime in not having an active Minister of Ag while critical decisions were made Spring/Summer 2020. Plus I suspect the current team of officials is not as good as that that went before . [Also losing Big Phil was disastrous. As are Ming Flanagan's views on the CAP.]

Apart from the EU stuff the info on schemes, deadlines, entitlements etc in invaluable.

Every farmer should get it every week imo. Apart from anything else it's tax deductible!