Terror incident in Paris

WrenBoy

emo72 wrote: »

There is no solution to this. Absolutely none. Unless you expel every Muslim from Europe. Which is impossible. This will go on forever now.

Well you could alway submit and convert , or else pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel yourself subdued. Then you'll get some semblance of peace living as a dhimmi.

Cordell

Cordell wrote: »

The beliefs are quite compatible, they are not the problem.
The incompatibility is between the European secular culture and the ideology of islam. Islam is not only a religion, it's a far right like ideology, but it can't be designated as such because it will be seen as inflicting on the freedom of religion, which is not true, because that freedom is not absolute.

Isnt it mad that the people who oppose the unfettered influx of Islam are usually branded far right too?

ambro25

biko wrote: »

Perhaps when islam has killed hundreds of people here I think the Irish will also be angry.

Just in the 2015–2018 timespan in France, 249 people been killed in terrorist attacks and 928 wounded in a total of 22 terrorist attacks. Including Bataclan and Bastille Day attacks.

The most secular country in Europe is taking the brunt of Islamist violence.

Cause and effect relationship, to a good extent. France has always been a prime target for fundies, because it proclaims (and enforces) its secularity loud and clear.

But there is also a strong politico-historical angle. The large muslim presence in France has far less to do with recent mass migration movements, than with historical ties, maintained post-colonisation for geopolitical reasons (see military interventions on African continent over the decades, not just recently in Mali).

In that context, proselyte fundamentalism is only a very recent development. Muslim terrorism, isn't - it goes back decades and longer.

Still, that's all for the chatty side of things. Pragmatically, though I'm all for due process and rule of law...for fundies I'd subscribe to the US doctrine of disproportionality of response: the only reliable way to stop terrorists (well, more of them, that is...stopping them all is unrealistic) is to out-terrorize them.

I'd sooner that, than still more civil liberties curfewed for everyone in the name of prevention.

TomSweeney

emo72 wrote: »

There is no solution to this. Absolutely none. Unless you expel every Muslim from Europe. Which is impossible. This will go on forever now.

There is a solution but it's long term, the solution is education and science, kids should have to attend secular schools with early science classes, if kids are given a basis in that, they won't fall for the bull****..


There should be no islamic schools, keep religion in the home.


And f*ck the lefties that will moan over that, they are enabling this ...

AlphaDelta1

Deleted User wrote: »

Damage limitation is possible through many ways. Strict control on EU borders, identifying those whose values don't align with western values and returning them to place of origin. Revoke citizenship if necessary.

That's not going to happen though is it. Take Ireland for example. We haven't got a single right leaning politician. Anyone who even attempts to start a conversation about it is labelled racist before the conversation even begins.

Cordell

Deleted User wrote: »

Isnt it mad that the people who oppose the unfettered influx of Islam are usually branded far right too?

It is, and I'm not sure I'll ever be able to understand that thought process

emo72

TomSweeney wrote: »

There is a solution but it's long term, the solution is education and science, kids should have to attend secular schools with early science classes, if kids are given a basis in that, they won't fall for the bull****..


There should be no islamic schools, keep religion in the home.


And f*ck the lefties that will moan over that, they are enabling this ...

Yeah, but, that won't be any use for the new immigrants coming over, already dogmatic, shocked at what they see in decadent Europe.

Really lads, we all know there will be no education, no compulsory sending kids to secular schools. Not going to happen. This is it forever.

DelaneyIn

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Europe should slowly wake up to the fact that over the last decades it has mass imported a population that, in many ways, is simply irreconcilable with its core understanding of values and civilisation. And it should think hard about what to do with this ever growing ticking demographic time bomb.

Considering that Europe itself is rapidly ageing (no European country has a fertility rate of 2.0+, many less than 1.5) and engaging in cultural suicide (moving away from tradition, nation, religion), it‘s only normal for a foreign ideology and therefore a foreign demographic to fill that vacuum.

If you simply look into the Western European world the picture changes quite drastically. Bigger cities and metros like Brussels, Marseille, Cologne, Antwerp, Amsterdam, Paris, Malmö, Birmingham or Vienna already do count Muslim populations of 10 up to 25%.

Also keep in mind that these numbers are drastically growing In Vienna, 40% of school children are Muslim.
With medium migration one would look at 20% in Sweden, 17% in France, 17% in Britain, 12% in Italy an 11% in Germany in 2050, according to pew.

With high migration it would be 30%, 18%, 17%, 14% & 19% respectively.

We live in very interesting times and will see more of these attacks. They will never cease.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

those are numbers that can lead to holding the balance of power in places, even if just locally at first

The Armenian Mirror-Spectator: Turkish Entry to Local French Elections.
https://mirrorspectator.com/2020/06/30/turkish-entry-to-local-french-elections/
Update, already making inroads I see.

Sand

SexBobomb wrote: »

Europe wont accept it's in a war.
Its acceptance and tolerance of those that hate her are its greatest weakness.

The EU is more likely to criminalize and attack the secondary effects of the problem, rather than the problem itself. As an example, the UK state was quite motivated and effective at dealing with Tommy Robinson, but not so much at protecting British girls. Still 19,000 girls groomed annually and a report into the issue memory holed.

SEPT 23 1989

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

such a brave warrior murdering unarmed people in their place of worship

It's most likely some elderly people the coward killed too.

amadangomor

TomSweeney wrote: »

There is a solution but it's long term, the solution is education and science, kids should have to attend secular schools with early science classes, if kids are given a basis in that, they won't fall for the bull****..


There should be no islamic schools, keep religion in the home.


And f*ck the lefties that will moan over that, they are enabling this ...

Was agreeing with your points and then you have to throw in that last sentence.

The way to influence people is not to moan about other peoples views.

jam_mac_jam

This is such a horrible attack. That it was in a place of worship makes it so much worse. No motivation, no reasoning.

It's so much worse and more frightening then terrorism of the past which at least had some aim or reason no matter how unfounded.

KennisWhale

TomSweeney wrote: »

There is a solution but it's long term, the solution is education and science, kids should have to attend secular schools with early science classes, if kids are given a basis in that, they won't fall for the bull****..


There should be no islamic schools, keep religion in the home.


And f*ck the lefties that will moan over that, they are enabling this ...

You won't be happy to hear that an education bill brought in in recent years allows for protection of minority religions when having to pick from students when the school is oversubscribed. They are allowed to show preference to the children of the minority faith but otherwise, if it was a Catholic school, the school would not be allowed to pick Catholic children when oversubscribed.

https://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2018-press-releases/PR18-05-09.html

This is exactly how the tentacles creep in; little things here and there. There is no big bad wolf at the door with an obvious presence. It is so important for people not to be passive and to engage with the system in order to push back against things they do not agree with.

jam_mac_jam

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

This is such a horrible attack. That it was in a place of worship makes it so much worse. No motivation, no reasoning.

It's so much worse and more frightening then terrorism of the past which at least had some aim or reason no matter how unfounded.

There was motivation and there was reasoning and it's shared by others in their community.

We need to face up to that as it enables us to take action

Mules

This is what Christians in the middle east have had to put up with for decades. Only Lebanon and Syria (before the jihadis) are safe for them. The European politicians and media have always ignored the persecution of Christians, they just invite the persecutors over to Europe instead.

minikin

Here’s a thought: a complete media blackout on such events.

Their aim is to terrorise the wider public of civilized nations, to incite a demand for an overwhelming response by government... they know that they can do minuscule physical damage in Europe, in real terms. If they can draw military forces into their own back yard they can achieve a lot more damage... which is great for their propaganda purposes.

They use our insatiable consumption of mass media against us... in order to propagate fear, anger and hatred. In much the same way advertising works they even brand their event ‘Allahu akbar’ so that they get maximum message penetration.

So, what about trying this: we switch off the tap on terrorising those who are not immediately impacted by an attack. One person is killed, their family, friends and those who deal with the aftermath of the attack are traumatised. It ends there... there is no media product for the terrorists to benefit from, so less incentive to commit these atrocities.

KennisWhale

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-avignon-man-shot-dead-22924296

Another incident in France, after the Nice one.

old_aussie

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

This is such a horrible attack. That it was in a place of worship makes it so much worse. No motivation, no reasoning.

It's so much worse and more frightening then terrorism of the past which at least had some aim or reason no matter how unfounded.

Motivation to islam is mocking the profit.

No Reasoning to islam is exactly what ist says, no reasoning.

old_aussie

Peter Sampson wrote: »

Imagine Christians emigrating to Japan, or claiming asylum in Japan, and then slaughtering Japanese people, beheading them.

Then imagine the Japanese establishment telling it's people that violence is just part and parcel of a multicultural society and that racism and Christianphobia are the real problems.

Ah Shintaro, where art thou

minikin

minikin wrote: »

Here’s a thought: a complete media blackout on such events.

Their aim is to terrorise the wider public of civilized nations, to incite a demand for an overwhelming response by government... they know that they can do minuscule physical damage in Europe, in real terms. If they can draw military forces into their own back yard they can achieve a lot more damage... which is great for their propaganda purposes.

They use our insatiable consumption of mass media against us... in order to propagate fear, anger and hatred. In much the same way advertising works they even brand their event ‘Allahu akbar’ so that they get maximum message penetration.

So, what about trying this: we switch off the tap on terrorising those who are not immediately impacted by an attack. One person is killed, their family, friends and those who deal with the aftermath of the attack are traumatised. It ends there... there is no media product for the terrorists to benefit from, so less incentive to commit these atrocities.

You can't do that. People need to see the atrocities carried out by people in the name of Islam in order to fight back against it.

I do see your point but sweeping all the horrific attacks under the carpet will only embolden them to carry out worse and worse attacks until you can't ignore them (Twin towers etc).

I dont know what the answer is, but ignoring it is absolutely crazy.

Manach

In the context of the ongoing Church burnings and the murder of Father Hamel this implies that France is not the safest location for Catholics.

Richard Hillman

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1321765256926949376?s=19

A 3rd one for the day

Richard Hillman

Richard Hillman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1321765256926949376?s=19

A 3rd one for the day

And not even noon.

This does have a bang of coordinated attacks and not just some random ****. Lets hope this doesn't escalate any more today.

Marcos

Deleted User wrote: »

It's most likely some elderly people the coward killed too.

Two beheaded according to reports. One is supposed to be a 70 year old woman. Also two other "knife attacks" reported in Avignon and at the French Embassy in Saudi Arabia.

jam_mac_jam

I am a bit surprised at how much this one has effected me. It's very upsetting to think of an old lady in a church getting decapitated. Almost the most inoffensive person you could find.

It's very upsetting.

WrenBoy

minikin wrote: »

Here’s a thought: a complete media blackout on such events.

Their aim is to terrorise the wider public of civilized nations, to incite a demand for an overwhelming response by government... they know that they can do minuscule physical damage in Europe, in real terms. If they can draw military forces into their own back yard they can achieve a lot more damage... which is great for their propaganda purposes.

They use our insatiable consumption of mass media against us... in order to propagate fear, anger and hatred. In much the same way advertising works they even brand their event ‘Allahu akbar’ so that they get maximum message penetration.

So, what about trying this: we switch off the tap on terrorising those who are not immediately impacted by an attack. One person is killed, their family, friends and those who deal with the aftermath of the attack are traumatised. It ends there... there is no media product for the terrorists to benefit from, so less incentive to commit these atrocities.

I agree there should be attempts to thwart the effects of such events but unfortunately I believe they achieve their goal regardless. Lets say the attack happens, the community of Nice will hear about how Christians were slaughtered in a Church by a muslim because of the insult given to islam (word of mouth if not media reportage) The effect is the people of Nice will be fearful of offending islam and muslims for fear they or their children will be caught in the next attack and will feel themselves unsafe in churches so may not even go. These are all wins for Islam the widespread reporting is a bonus this is intimidation and a show of dominance over the kuffar.

screamer

I’m pretty sure there are solutions to this, but it’s a case of self preservation over bleeding hearts, and that is not allowed under EU misguided rules.
It’ll be interesting to see what the UK may do freed from the shackles of the EU, perhaps something, perhaps nothing but that will let us see if a solution is possible or not

ChikiChiki

**** you Erdogan and your dog whistling you odious prick.

3 today, and its just gone midday is such a worry.

Richard Hillman

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I am a bit surprised at how much this one has effected me. It's very upsetting to think of an old lady in a church getting decapitated. Almost the most inoffensive person you could find.

It's very upsetting.

They always go for the easy targets. An elderly lady isn't going to fight back.

This is why they went after an Arianna Grande concert in Manchester but not a football match. If it goes wrong and the explosives don't go off, nothing. But at a football match he gets beaten to death.

screamer

There’ll be trouble in France in short unless they do something. Lockdown frustration, combined with anger over these incidents, and they could be in for some very bad times indeed.