Terror incident in Paris

Timberrrrrrrr

da_miser wrote: »

When you are next talking to these Muslims that you know, mention Israel, you will see their true colours come out then.

How would you know? It's not as if you know any Muslims or have had this (or any other) conversation with them.

suicide_circus

biko wrote: »

As I understand it - Pakistani undocumented unaccompanied child Ali Hassan tried to kill two people he believed were journalists for Charlie Hebdo.

Ali Hassan 18yo from Pakistan

Full kit wanker

Wibbs

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How would you know? It's not as if you know any Muslims or have had this (or any other) conversation with them.

I know a few Muslim lads. No women, beyond "the weather's nice today" kinda interactions. Now it's a tiny sample, not nearly representative of course. They're very sound and I've had all sorts of conversations with them over the years, including on subjects like Israel and war on terror etc. I'd share their negative attitude on America taking the piss with their overseas policies going back decades. They'd have more of a tangible angle to that of course and very much feel the umma/community of fellow Muslims.

Israel is not this particular set of guys fave place or politic. Of Jews themselves they're not exactly positive, though the majority of their ire is aimed at Israel and American Jews. There's a fair bit of Jews run the money vibe, though they'd be less overtly anti semitic as a general thing than quite a few Russians I know funny enough.

They have no issue with Europe, though France and the UK would stand out. When the Charlie Hebdo thing went down, their general attitude was "well what did they expect??" as it just didn't track for them why anyone would want to directly insult their religion, though it was mixed with condemnation of the attacks themselves. The attacks on the Parisian nightclub was condemned outright. On the more general suicide attacks in war zones the angle was well what options do fighters have fighting drones and cruise missiles.

They have spoken of hardliners within the faith and have a mixed attitude to them, but mostly feel they're doing nobody any good, though speaking up against them is not an option for the most part.

On religion I have noted that Allah is much more a being to be feared and appealed to for mercy. A much more old testament deity, rather than the generally more happy clappy Christian god.

da_miser

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How would you know? It's not as if you know any Muslims or have had this (or any other) conversation with them.

Know plenty of them, have worked with many over the years, had many a harmless conversation about football, a simple talk about who we could get in the Euro Draws, Israel mentioned , cue the bile and hatred pour out of the Muslims present, the mention of Israel is like flipping a switch, those who doubt this are the ones who have never had any contact with a Muslim, any one who has had contact with them can confirm what i stated is 100% the truth.
Try it, mention Israel in front of some muslims you know and report back here with the results.

Cordell

I had quite a few interactions as well with highly educated and skilled professionals. All sound until they drop something like the quran predicted the space exploration and I shower daily and wear clean clothes because quran says so - you see, with them that book cannot be wrong. I never brought the conversation around difficult subjects like Israel because I know better The only one that was actually sound and moderate in his beliefs was someone who came from a very old European muslim comunity.

Timberrrrrrrr

da_miser wrote: »

Know plenty of them, have worked with many over the years, had many a harmless conversation about football, a simple talk about who we could get in the Euro Draws, Israel mentioned , cue the bile and hatred pour out of the Muslims present, the mention of Israel is like flipping a switch, those who doubt this are the ones who have never had any contact with a Muslim, any one who has had contact with them can confirm what i stated is 100% the truth.
Try it, mention Israel in front of some muslims you know and report back here with the results.

I work for the M.O.D in England at the moment I have a muslim guy named Sharif working with me on an ongoing project for the last 8 months.

Asked him his thoughts today on Israel.and its people.in general

His reply (paraphraseing)

"Timberrrrrrrr, the Israeli people are the same as the English, Americans, The French, The Iraqis and every other nation. The people just want to live their lives and get on with it. The governments of every country fùcks things up for them and others"

When I asked him does he hate the Israelis he said no, but on the flip ide he would never buy a product from there.

So there you go, no "flip switched" no anger, vitriol or bile merely a shoulder shrug and "it is what it is"

And yes, this is a man that prays five times a day and his wife wears a hijab when outdoors.

Tea drinker

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How would you know? It's not as if you know any Muslims or have had this (or any other) conversation with them.

How do you know who he knows, are ye pals or something?

da_miser

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I work for the M.O.D in England at the moment I have a muslim guy named Sharif working with me on an ongoing project for the last 8 months.

Asked him his thoughts today on Israel.and its people.in general

His reply (paraphraseing)

"Timberrrrrrrr, the Israeli people are the same as the English, Americans, The French, The Iraqis and every other nation. The people just want to live their lives and get on with it. The governments of every country fùcks things up for them and others"

When I asked him does he hate the Israelis he said no, but on the flip ide he would never buy a product from there.

So there you go, no "flip switched" no anger, vitriol or bile merely a shoulder shrug and "it is what it is"

And yes, this is a man that prays five times a day and his wife wears a hijab when outdoors.

Conversely a Algerian and Moroccan i knew, during a conversation both stated that if their governments did not put a halt to it there would be millions marching across North Africa to go fight Israel.

suicide_circus

Lads stop name dropping your colleagues in the Ministry of Defence.

Timberrrrrrrr

suicide_circus wrote: »

Lads stop name dropping your colleagues in the Ministry of Defence.

Why?

4068ac1elhodqr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Why?

Isn't there some Official Secrets Act 1989?

Know a chap who worked as a Postie in the uk, had to sign this, just for delivering manila letters in letterboxes for a couple of hours in the mornings.

Was not allowed to say whether or not some Joe Bloggs (sample name), got a brown envelope or a white one, or could face reprimand.

Timberrrrrrrr

Lylah Late Minibus wrote: »

Isn't there some Official Secrets Act 1989?

Know a chap who worked as a Postie in the uk, had to sign this, just for delivering manila letters in letterboxes for a couple of hours in the mornings.

Was not allowed to say whether or not some Joe Bloggs (sample name), got a brown envelope or a white one, or could face reprimand.

So from me posting the first name of someone who works in the MOD you think I would be breaking the official secrets act :rolleyes:

Trust me, no laws, rules or regulations have been broken :pac:

Tea drinker

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So from me posting the first name of someone who works in the MOD you think I would be breaking the official secrets act :rolleyes:

Trust me, no laws, rules or regulations have been broken :pac:

You shouldn't be drawing attention to your associastion with MOD here , but that's just my opinion. I also think it's a bit naive to think that a Muslim guy employed by MOD would express negative sentimets about Israel.
You and he surely were vetted before employment.

You also didn't explain how you "knew" the other poster didn't know any muslims.

jmayo

Have we found a new Aonghus von Bismarck or a new donegalfella ?

At least they never claimed to be working for the Brits.

Montage of Feck

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

When was the last time you felt the need to be armed in Ireland due to "imported violent people"?

1969, .

Timberrrrrrrr

Tea drinker wrote: »

You shouldn't be drawing attention to your associastion with MOD here , but that's just my opinion. I also think it's a bit naive to think that a Muslim guy employed by MOD would express negative sentimets about Israel.
You and he surely were vetted before employment.

You also didn't explain how you "knew" the other poster didn't know any muslims.

Its no secret on here that I am ex British army personnel and ive never hidden the fact I now work for the M.O.D

Ah so you think my associate is "hiding" his true feelings about Israel?

Tea drinker

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Its no secret on here that I am ex British army personnel and ive never hidden the fact I now work for the M.O.D

Ah so you think my associate is "hiding" his true feelings about Israel?

He *might* to some extent, but IMHO a bigger factor is the MOD are simply not going to employ radical elements. A lot (not all) of UK Muslims are very chilled people who occassionaly dabble in the demon drink.

By the way am not sniping (jesus poor choice of words) at you for your employment but at least the people I came across working for MOD can be a little reticent about revealing their employer.

TheBlackPill

Cordell wrote: »

I had quite a few interactions as well with highly educated and skilled professionals. All sound until they drop something like the quran predicted the space exploration and I shower daily and wear clean clothes because quran says so - you see, with them that book cannot be wrong. I never brought the conversation around difficult subjects like Israel because I know better The only one that was actually sound and moderate in his beliefs was someone who came from a very old European muslim comunity.

Sorry ranting

biko

biko wrote: »

As I understand it - Pakistani undocumented unaccompanied child Ali Hassan tried to kill two people he believed were journalists for Charlie Hebdo.

Ali Hassan 18yo from Pakistan

Meet Zaher Hassan Mahmood, 25
A photo of his passport was found in his mobile phone...
https://apnews.com/article/counterterrorism-paris-france-terrorism-archive-a9efb47d621c6a3ef5736438196ed419
Not undocumented nor a child.

jmayo

biko wrote: »

As I understand it - Pakistani undocumented unaccompanied child Ali Hassan tried to kill two people he believed were journalists for Charlie Hebdo.

Ali Hassan 18yo from Pakistan

And a Man City fan to boot.

DelaneyIn

biko wrote: »

As I understand it - Pakistani undocumented unaccompanied child Ali Hassan tried to kill two people he believed were journalists for Charlie Hebdo.

Ali Hassan 18yo from Pakistan

Not a chance that lad is 18. A lot of them lie about their age as “undocumented minors” get treated better. Shave the children and all that.

Tea drinker

Latest round:
French police fatally shoot man who killed teacher on Paris street
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/french-police-fatally-shoot-man-who-killed-teacher-on-paris-street-1.4383194?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Feurope%2Ffrench-police-fatally-shoot-man-who-killed-teacher-on-paris-street-1.4383194

Teacher showed a cartoon of Mo.

4068ac1elhodqr

The week just before this a cop shop also in Paris was stormed by dozens (40) armed with metal bars, fireworks, projectiles, tried to force entry. Could have been nasty.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/11/paris-police-station-stormed-by-mob-with-metal-bars-and-fireworks

Pkiernan

Tea drinker wrote: »

Latest round:
French police fatally shoot man who killed teacher on Paris street
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/french-police-fatally-shoot-man-who-killed-teacher-on-paris-street-1.4383194?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Feurope%2Ffrench-police-fatally-shoot-man-who-killed-teacher-on-paris-street-1.4383194

Teacher showed a cartoon of Mo.

The teacher was beheaded.

More ordinary people paying the price for hard left white guilt.
But I'm sure he will have had a history of mental illness.
Funny how white racists in the US are evil, and never mentally ill eh?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54573356

Well456

Well456 wrote: »

Don't lose the head mate lol

I lost my temper once and couldn't find it anywhere.

1800_Ladladlad

Pkiernan wrote: »

The teacher was beheaded.

More ordinary people paying the price for hard left white guilt.
But I'm sure he will have had a history of mental illness.
Funny how white racists in the US are evil, and never mentally ill eh?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54573356

Mentally ill man with tanned complexion has a disagreement with citizen and is shot dead by brutal racist police.

Thelonious Monk

Pkiernan wrote: »

The teacher was beheaded.

More ordinary people paying the price for hard left white guilt.
But I'm sure he will have had a history of mental illness.
Funny how white racists in the US are evil, and never mentally ill eh?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54573356

More like all religious people are nutjobs. Hundreds of dead babies being excavated in Ireland, every second priest a paedo, and Irish people still go to mass. Down with all religion!

Snake Plisken

RIP to the brave History teacher. No doubt the old mentally ill excuse will be rolled out here! 18year old Chechen Immigrant. At least the cops in france put the scum down! Apparently the victim had enraged Muslim parents by showing students cartoons of the prophet Mohammed. I doubt Christian parents would have been as enraged if the teacher had shown the kiddies cartoons of Jesus!

Snake Plisken

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

More like all religious people are nutjobs. Hundreds of dead babies being excavated in Ireland, every second priest a paedo, and Irish people still go to mass. Down with all religion!

Excuses excuses

Hotblack Desiato

Well456 wrote: »

The behaeder was born in Moscow
Ergo a rucssian
Not a Muslim

Utterly ignorant. Chechnya is part of Russia, predominantly muslim, has been for centuries.

Hotblack Desiato

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

More like all religious people are nutjobs. Hundreds of dead babies being excavated in Ireland, every second priest a paedo, and Irish people still go to mass. Down with all religion!

The only real difference between Christianity and Islam is time. Witch hunts only ended in Europe in the 18th century. "Enlightened Europe" is only a couple of centuries away from barbarism. It also gave humanity two world wars fought between ostensibly Christian countries.

A pox on all religion.

Hego Damask

mcmoustache wrote: »

Back when the Hebdo massacre happened, publications around the world could have helped out by printing the pictures. If you had all major Western media publishing them, it would have made it more difficult to see this as just a Charlie Hebdo thing and moved the target off them somewhat. I understand their fears for their journalists but I think capitulating like that sent the wrong message. That and those cnuts could hardly go after everyone.

Exactly, I remember thinking it at the time, that every newspaper should have had those cartoons headlined around the world.

They can't go after everyone, the fact that Sky News and others grovelled and apologized to any "offence" caused when someone tried to show the cartoons whilst being interviewed just emboldens these fanatics.

Also the reaction from some of the RTE "journalists" was a disgrace ...

Chris_Heilong

splashuum wrote: »

Four people attacked with a meat cleaver in Paris by the old Charlie Hebdo offices. Sad to see how regular this type of crime has become. Pictures of the suspect are already online along with the bludgeoned cleaver.

Not again, maybe a ban on organized religion would sort some of that.

Hego Damask

TheBlackPill wrote: »

The majority tacitly support the islamists. Check out Pew polling and you find majorities support their medieval BS

https://markhumphrys.com/polls.islam.html

Hego Damask

riffmongous wrote: »

I'm calling bull**** on this, there is some amazing Islamic art out there, even any basic carpet will have a detailed design on it. It's just a different style, mostly geometric or calligraphy

I've seen better down at Des Kelly carpets ....

Cordell

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

The only real difference between Christianity and Islam is time. Witch hunts only ended in Europe in the 18th century. "Enlightened Europe" is only a couple of centuries away from barbarism. It also gave humanity two world wars fought between ostensibly Christian countries.

A pox on all religion.

It doesn't look good to say they're behind us by 300 years, that is if you're trying to defend them.
And while there is common stuff between all Abrahamic religions, this one is the worst. It seeks to control a lot of the day to day life, from food to finance, and their warrior pedo prophet is the ultimate prophet, their direct link to god and the last prophet there will ever be. Try to reform that.

Thelonious Monk

Cordell wrote: »

It doesn't look good to say they're behind us by 300 years, that is if you're trying to defend them.
And while there is common stuff between all Abrahamic religions, this one is the worst. It seeks to control a lot of the day to day life, from food to finance, and their warrior pedo prophet is the ultimate prophet, their direct link to god and the last prophet there will ever be. Try to reform that.

We were raping and killing kids in Ireland while wearing priest garb until very recently. All religion is bad and takes advantage of people.

Pkiernan

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

We were raping and killing kids in Ireland while wearing priest garb until very recently. All religion is bad and takes advantage of people.

So why do western countries import so many religious fanatics?

ThunbergsAreGo

Mostly peaceful beheading results in death

Hotblack Desiato

Cordell wrote: »

It doesn't look good to say they're behind us by 300 years, that is if you're trying to defend them.
And while there is common stuff between all Abrahamic religions, this one is the worst. It seeks to control a lot of the day to day life, from food to finance, and their warrior pedo prophet is the ultimate prophet, their direct link to god and the last prophet there will ever be. Try to reform that.

I've posted on Boards before my view - Islam is the worst idea in human history. But Christianity is in second place.

Strictly speaking it's 600 years, as it was founded that much later - but today even in the islamic world modernity cannot be shut out, the internet gets through despite censorship, illegal satellite TV in Iran, etc. so it should "only" take about 100 years for most of them to realise it's all a load of bollox, especially the perverse sexual morality which is there to control people. Exact same as we had here not very long ago, buying rubbers in the Virgin Megastore was illegal, while priests were getting up to all sorts of abuse.

jam_mac_jam

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

We were raping and killing kids in Ireland while wearing priest garb until very recently. All religion is bad and takes advantage of people.

Yes, all religions area bad. However some are worse then others and some are more dangerous then others.

Widdensushi

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

We were raping and killing kids in Ireland while wearing priest garb until very recently. All religion is bad and takes advantage of people.

And still objecting to sites being searched for bodies wtf, go and treat these murders/ childmolesters as heroes

Cluedo Monopoly

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Yes, all religions area bad. However some are worse then others and some are more dangerous then others.

It depends on the century you are in too.

Snake Plisken

Seriously the mental gymnastics the apologists are going through on this thread is hilarious "Oh but go back 600 years the Catholics were just as bad brutal"
Yeah in case you hadn't noticed it's the 21st century and in your little warped minds you are trying to blame Christianity for the violent religion this headhacker was a part of!

1800_Ladladlad

The irony in this is saddening


nbv

comedown

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

The irony in this is saddening


nbv

This guy is not the victim.

seenitall

I did the quick Google search in French on the above, the victim hasn’t been named yet. And Raphael Liogier seems to be a big name in the sociology of religion and what-not, so highly unlikely he would be teaching history in a secondary school.

Sounds like fake news.

JustAThought

Horrifyimg beyond imagining.

An 18 year old did this - not parent of a child - because he was ‘offended’ at hearing the class discussion in the school. He was
on a high risk watch list
for violene and extreme radacalised behaviour

-ALONG WITH 20,000 OTHERS

Mother of God.
and there have been 230 radical
violent attacks in France in the past 3
years alone.

Damn right I havn’t heard any talk of this in mainstream Iriah media. But Fungi
is missing amd the Kinehans gf is under
police protection.

W.T.F

Graham

JustAThought wrote: »

there have been 230 radical
violent attacks in France in the past 3
years alone.

Damn right I havn’t heard any talk of this in mainstream Iriah media. But Fungi
is missing amd the Kinehans gf is under
police protection.

W.T.F

I'd imagine there's not much Irish news in French media either

Quantum Erasure

Maybe Fungie went to France...