New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118212572#Comment_118212572

If it's indisputable, then you can't dispute it anyway, so why the need to post it?

TooTired123

Stephen Dixon is the latest Sky anchor to jump ship in favour of GBNews. He’s a happy member of the LGBTQ community.

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118212537#Comment_118212537

They you would know that it isn't a "snapshot in time". So which is it?

Giving an average isn't an extreme interpretation nor is it a weapon.

If the channel had any proper viewing numbers you wouldn't be constantly outraged by people claiming otherwise.

Double-dose of Nigel Farage tonight; he's appearing on Dan Wootton Tonight to discuss the migrant crisis across the English Channel.

He's just confirmed that he won't be leaving GB News, even if he does return to front-line politics.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118213284#Comment_118213284

Whats he doing going to a right wing homophobic channel thats closing down next month ?

They will probably tar and feather him live on air .

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118213458#Comment_118213458

The outrage isnt coming from Eskimohunt.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118213536#Comment_118213536

It's very revealing. So many openly gay presenters on GB News - Dan Wootton, Stephen Dixon, Andrew Doyle (and others).

There's this horrible myth spewed by the hard-left that right-leaning people must be angry old white religious hate-filled heterosexuals. How could LGBT people possibly support GB News, kind of thing.

If anything, that's a form of homophobia itself; saying that you can only really be a "proper" gay if you oppose right-wing opinions.

GB News also has an enormous number of black presenters, too - despite the nonsense you see that the channel is some eternal font of ethno-nationalist racism. That's an insult to right-wing black conservative presenters. It's pigeonholing black people and gays and trans that they are effectively ordered by their superiors to hold the "right opinions" for their social grouping. If they don't, they'll be labelled as Quislings to the wider cause.

There comes a point when this kind of sneering attitude has to stop, and an acceptance that diversity of opinion exists within diverse groups in society. That includes GB News.

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118213558#Comment_118213558

Unfortunately this thread doesn't back up that statement. But nice try.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118213720#Comment_118213720

The outrage is against Eskimohunt - and GB News.

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118213728#Comment_118213728

This might shock you but A. You aren't important enough and B. Nobody is outraged over a failing news station.

pjohnson

"Outrage" is another word the GBeebies STILL dont understand

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118213728#Comment_118213728

Most of the outrage surrounded people with nothing to do with GBnews.

Like Marcus Rashford and Owen Jones

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118213284#Comment_118213284

Are GBN offering good money? Slightly surprised to see him and Darren McCaffrey on the channel.....seems like they can match Sky News and Euronews at a minimum.

Tony EH

It's very revealing.

It's not revealing of anything.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118212786#Comment_118212786

Further on in that tweet Guido provides this link to the source of the data https://barb.co.uk/about-us/how-to-subscribe/

I guess it's a paid service to provide the exact data comparisons one is looking for.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118213284#Comment_118213284

I think they're going a bit OTT on this tokenism thing.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118212454#Comment_118212454

If they were "facts" there'd be a source.

Where are those numbers from ???

The last time Guido Fawkes blew his trumpet about GB News the figures he published had no correlation with any information published by any of the recognised TV viewing groups.

Also - Once again you display a tenuous at best grasp of mathematics.

No - a "snapshot" and an average are NOT the same thing, at all.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118213728#Comment_118213728

There's no "outrage" - There's plenty of bemusement though.

Bemusement at your rabid, blind adulation of a channel that it objectively struggling.

Bemusement at your ability to deflect and defend anyone and anything associated with GB News.

Take for example your latest defence of a Farage guest - When it was pointed out that Erik Prince has a pretty terrible history with direct involvement in War Crimes your response was "I don't know much about him , but I'm sure that stuff isn't true". Something that 5 seconds on Google would provide all the information you need..

It's the blind loyalty we all can't understand, beyond that most of us really couldn't care less about GB News.

Hoop66

"GB News also has an enormous number of black presenters"

Could you provide that "enormous number" please?

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118214388#Comment_118214388

We were always at war with Eastasia...

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118214115#Comment_118214115

Yep. Just seems @MisterAnarchy and @eskimohunt don't understand that big word "outrage"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118214115#Comment_118214115

• Dehumanisation of GB News presenters, often comparing them to vermin. That's your definition of "bemusement"?
• Righteous indignation expressed at the presence of almost all Talking Pints guests. That's your definition of "bemusement"?
• The incessant pushing of the view that many GB News guests should be cancelled, or their cancellation has been justified. That's your definition of "bemusement"?
• The regular comments that GB News viewers are somehow too stupid to see how bad the channel is. That's your definition of "bemusement"?
• The lengthy screeds we see published about Conservatism itself, peppered with expressions of contempt. That's your definition of "bemusement"?

None of this is bemusement; it's sheer loathing of the mere existence of the channel, for the temerity of being a right-leaning channel.

The reason that outrage or loathing or contempt isn't agreed with isn't because of "bemusement", it's because it would be considered a sign of weakness to admit being outraged by something you don't actually watch. It also falls into the stereotype that left-leaning types are prone to fits of outrage and moral indignation.

So rather than admit outrage, just pivot to, "Well, we're all just here for the humour, really...hmm...yeah!".

A cursory glance at any of the last 240+ pages does not show "bemusement". Don't take my word for it, go and check. It shows anger, contempt, loathing, hatred - and every other synonym of every other word associated with any of these.

Go to Twitter or other social media platforms and you see precisely the same thing. The levels of outrage, anger, and abuse that GB News presenters receive is extraordinary. Of course, that's probably just a little of the auld bemusement, right?

Not so. It's consistent no matter where you go - here or there.

@Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118214020#Comment_118214020

@Quin_Dub this question has already been answered: re: Media Guido's reference for GB News recent successful viewing figures.

Honestly, I've seen barely any mention of GBN on social media since it launched... It's largely been ignored even when they try to generate controversy.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215114#Comment_118215114

You do realize that the whole time you were banned (with the tiny exception of the time Anne Widdecombe who sounds a lot like you graced us) this thread was dead. Practically nobody once you were gone was on here screaming and crying about presenters or cancelling anyone.

We are just getting a laugh off you. I actually don't care about the station itself at this stage as it has proven to be a niche channel converting nobody but the already converted

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215114#Comment_118215114

Can you provide quotes instead of expecting other people to research your arguments for you?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215149#Comment_118215149

I most certainly can. Here are some of hundreds of possible examples throughout this thread alone.

Exactly what I've argued above. It isn't about "bemusement" of GB News.

It's about moral indignation, loathing of the mere existence of the channel for the crime of being right-wing, dehumanisation of presenters, conservative bashing, and - yes - outrage.

Humour? Give me a break...

breezy1985

I think dehumanisation is another one of these words he just learned and doesn't understand

Ahwell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215114#Comment_118215114

You just don't get it. This thread has long since stopped being about GB News, it's all about you. People tune into this thread to take the piss out of the nonsense you post. I've stopped posting here because it began to feel like mocking the afflicted...and the fact that I couldn't care less about GB News.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215237#Comment_118215237

So....

• Dehumanisation of GB News presenters, often comparing them to vermin. That's your definition of "bemusement"?
• Righteous indignation expressed at the presence of almost all Talking Pints guests. That's your definition of "bemusement"?
• The incessant pushing of the view that many GB News guests should be cancelled, or their cancellation has been justified. That's your definition of "bemusement"?
• The regular comments that GB News viewers are somehow too stupid to see how bad the channel is. That's your definition of "bemusement"?
• The lengthy screeds we see published about Conservatism itself, peppered with expressions of contempt. That's your definition of "bemusement"?

I haven't dehumanised anyone though you call leftwingers "creatures". I haven't compared anyone to vermin. I have no issue using vitriolic language about some GB News presenters. I have not once called for or supported the cancellation of GB News. I have not called GB News' viewers stupid.

Conservatism in its current form is a vile ideology based on hatred, oppression and venality. I see no problem in calling that out but nice attempt at changing the goalposts.

As usual you have nothing except accusations directed at others of things of which you are guilty. As before, if you can back up your own argument with quotes, do so. All I see here is meaningless wailing based on your victimhood fantasies.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215263#Comment_118215263

No people dont tune in to take the piss.

They tune in to spew bile, vent anger and to put it politely try to shut posters of a differing opinion down.

Ahwell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215351#Comment_118215351

This thread is all about the absurdity of one poster, without him it would of faded away months ago. Like it did when he was on his "break" from the site.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215351#Comment_118215351

Not really, posters have repeatedly responded to Eskimos posts with reasonable responses. Yes, they have been honest on their feelings on Farage for example but that's a pretty mainstream view on Farage cause he is hateful. Meanwhile Eskimo chooses to misrepresent and has even accused posters of slander in an effort to shut them down. He's even gone off and likened charitable footballers to paedophiles which is ironic given the fact that he's accused others of slander.

It's a bit like trying to debate a COVID denier. They'll rarely address the responses. Eg Eskimo can't directly point to Guido's primary source but has assumed it's accurate as it supports his view. He will claim their viewing figures are increasing but also can't back that. The fact that Guido chose to compare bbc news rather than bbc1, once again, nobody will address that fact. It's like you're trying to build a narrative that doesn't reflect the reality.

I would also say that Eskimo is very much so keeping this thread going via outlandish claims... It's always an amusing read.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215439#Comment_118215439

If the thread fades away then the perpetually outraged will find another outlet to spew their bile in.

Its a never ending cycle.

Ahwell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215595#Comment_118215595

Outrage and bile spewing is just dripping from your own post history. You seem to be as lacking in self-awareness as eskimohunt is.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215722#Comment_118215722

It's pretty factual. Modern day conservatism includes preventing people from voting, trying to limit the rights of multiple groups and in the case of the UK engaging in the delusion of empire being some wonderful part of their history. Then you've got more blatantly horrifying examples such as the desire to exit the court of human rights... So far from a conspiracy tbh.

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118212819#Comment_118212819

The fact that EH thinks that a screenshot of a number a RW grifter is relying upon to present a point is a source?

Only highlights what is at its very best outright dishonesty, at its worst?

It's a sign that they don't actually have a clue what a source is, what evidence is or how to source actual numbers rather than parrot others claims.

Snake Plisken

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215722#Comment_118215722

I thought being a moderator of boards.ie would have to be somebody with moderate beliefs and be able to see both sides of the argument, clearly that's not the case any more with boards.ie. It's a shame really what has become of the site.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215133#Comment_118215133

Didn't change their selective use of said metrics and ignoring all the other data provided by BARB that shows a channel in continuous decline. Individual temporary upward blips on an overall downward trajectory aren't evidence of a resurgence.

The term often used for these little bumps is "Dead cat bounce"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215781#Comment_118215781

Do you think gbn and Nigel Farage are moderate? Capaill's point might not hold for all conservative parties but it does for the US and UK... Also fyi there's been loads of mods over the years with far right and left wing views and they've expressed them on site. Would be a bit weird to base mods based on their political position...

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215826#Comment_118215826

I live in the UK so that's where my opinion comes from. Mainstream conservatives in the US fomented a fascist insurrection only this year. The ad hominem attacks and attempts to shut me down are just vindication more than anything else.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215776#Comment_118215776

This is now the third time (and final time) I've posted the source.

In fact, Media Guido himself posted the source yesterday.

He is quoting BARB figures, which are available daily on its official website.

https://twitter.com/MediaGuido/status/1463278559716331523

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215932#Comment_118215932

Criticising an ideology is perfectly fine.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215943#Comment_118215943

Figures available to subscribers only, so the vast majority of people have no idea if they're true.

Nigel Farage ventured out to the English Channel to observe the migrant crisis this morning, and expecting a special report on the issue tonight at 7pm.

And he's spot on when he says that no other TV channel is reporting on the matter sufficiently. GB News is leading this issue in ways that other channels are singularly failing to do.

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1463497915196919810

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215943#Comment_118215943

And now for the 3rd time you will be told that those snapshots don't accurately tell the picture as those are not the figures for BBC news or show anything more than a tiny glimpse of a wider poorer picture for GBNews

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215984#Comment_118215984

You've asked about a dozen times for the source. Source has since been provided.

Now the goalposts shift, predictably.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118216019#Comment_118216019

No nothing has changed. We have seen the Barb figures many times before. I never said his were fake but they should not be used to show GBnews is outperforming BBC or is on a successful trajectory

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215957#Comment_118215957

I'm sure they are true, but they are isolated data points for a single evening last week and as such don't tell anything like the full story.

Also incredibly misleading and disengenuous is the selective use of language to suggest to the casual reader that the GB News show at 6pm attracted numbers comparable to the BBC 6pm news bulletin when in fact all they managed was to get about 2/3rds of the viewers who watched that program on the BBC News channel and not its primary broadcast outlet BBC1 which has at least 25 times more viewers.

If that tweet was an advert it would be the subject of many complaints to Advertising Standards, which would be upheld.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118216045#Comment_118216045

Also needs to be taken into consideration that GB News' biggest show Farage beats BBC News in the hour after BBC News' biggest show (the news at 6pm).

It's like celebrating that you can run faster than Usain Bolt who is just walking back to the locker room after having completed his run.