New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

MisterAnarchy · 27-07-2021 7:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670005#Comment_117670005

Yes, and you will note I swiftly corrected my post , I cant seem to delete it completely.

27-07-2021 7:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670062#Comment_117670062

Calm down, watch the Farage show, and then offer your opinions on the broadcast.

https://www.gbnews.uk/watchlive

27-07-2021 7:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670053#Comment_117670053

He's a specialist who got called out a fair bit for misrepresenting a study to push an anti mask stance. I'm sure Nigel will call him out on that, ya? Or bring on another medical expert to counter balance the position? He's pretty clearly being used to push a contrarian position rather than for a discussion..

listermint · 27-07-2021 7:25pm

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Horse,

Id prefer to drill down through the best past its date food in my fridge and freezer . Microwave it together in a jumbalaya for 3 minutes and consume it over gone off milk than listen to your supposed bastion of racist prehistoric critical thinking Anne crazy widdecome.

27-07-2021 7:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670080#Comment_117670080

Farage did precisely that; an expert immediately followed Heneghan with an opposing view, balancing the discussion (and she was given the same air time).

Burt Renaults · 27-07-2021 7:27pm

I'm watching it right now for the first time since it started (they're broadcasting live on YouTube now, like Sky News, which is a smart move. It'd be great if more channels used YouTube as a method of broadcasting). The frame rate isn't great, but they appear to have fixed the sound and brightened the studio up a bit.

I hate the politics of many involved, but I don't necessarily want it to fail. Despite not liking Andrew Neil, I used to enjoy This Week on BBC1.

ancapailldorcha · 27-07-2021 7:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670053#Comment_117670053

I can get specialists talking about covid from a myriad of sources. Anne Widdecombe is a withered, worthlesss, hateful old bigot. Nothing more.

27-07-2021 7:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670120#Comment_117670120

A bigot?

Can you substantiate that?

L1011 · 27-07-2021 7:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670140#Comment_117670140

Reknownedly homophobic, supporter of completely scientifically disproven (and increasingly illegal in the western world) conversion therapy, supporter of Section 28.

There is nothing she can say that is worth listening to.

listermint · 27-07-2021 7:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670140#Comment_117670140

Well , ya.

http://eusci.org.uk/2019/06/19/will-we-be-changed-the-dark-possibilities-of-gay-conversion-therapy/

27-07-2021 7:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670140#Comment_117670140

She has previously backed conversion therapy and opposed the repeal of section 28(granted, a fair few tories absolutely were bigots on that front). Her voting record in relation to all things LGBT has been abysmal, she's voted against their rights with the exception of partial decriminalisation in 1967. She even opposed same sex couples being in strictly come dancing... So way more proof of her being a bigot over your Rashford claims...

https://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpid=1701&dmp=826

ancapailldorcha · 27-07-2021 7:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670140#Comment_117670140

@L1011 has done that.

Frankly, it's hypocritical of you to demand evidence while not honouring a single such request yourself.

27-07-2021 7:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670189#Comment_117670189

I'm homosexual and I have no problems with her Christian views.

Iain Dale, the LBC broadcaster, is a personal friend of Widdecombe's for the past 10-15 years.

This idea that you cannot be friends with people (or refuse to listen to people) because political and social views do not align is absurd.

It's very weak minded and juvenile.

L1011 · 27-07-2021 7:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670208#Comment_117670208

Supporting conversion therapy and Section 28 are not "Christian views", they are the actions of a bigot. You can't try hide them behind that defence.

listermint · 27-07-2021 7:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670208#Comment_117670208

So you accept she's a bigot then ?

27-07-2021 7:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670214#Comment_117670214

I don't accept the premise that just because a Christian believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman, that they are homophobic.

It's not my personal view, but I don't find it hostile. It's a personal view; it harms nobody. Some gay people are against gay marriage. They are not homophobic either.

Also, she was misquoted on the conversion therapy point.

On Section 28, that was a product of the times. We can't live retrospectively condemning people for all eternity.

Again, it's simplistic and dedicated to finding outrage and offense at absolutely everything.

ancapailldorcha · 27-07-2021 7:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670208#Comment_117670208

Funny how Christians only seem to care about the parts of their faith that justify their abuse of other people. A gay person defending her this vigorously is like a black person supporting the KKK.

27-07-2021 7:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670208#Comment_117670208

And you don't decide what's homophobic, if she actively opposed gay rights for decades and has backed conversion therapy which actively places the mental health of young people at risk. That's both homophobic and dangerous. So announcing "I'm a homosexual" in a desperate attempt to lend credibility to your argument doesn't do it. She's a bigot and has attempted to enforce her bigoted views in law. She also branded same sex couples on Strictly Come Dancing as "offensive". It might be a flowery way of being a homophobe but it doesn't change the reality that she is.

L1011 · 27-07-2021 8:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670229#Comment_117670229

Your last line there pretty much sums up a lot of the content on GB News.

ancapailldorcha · 27-07-2021 8:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670229#Comment_117670229

You can prove she was misquoted?

27-07-2021 8:21pm

Also just to point out, her stance on section 28 was 2003 and she fought hard on it. So it was not in some far and away time. She's also never indicated that her position has changed.

27-07-2021 8:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670232#Comment_117670232

I'm against same-sex couples on Strictly Come Dancing, too. Am I a homophobic homosexual now?

Can't you see how absurd all these labels are? All they do is cause unnecessary division in society.

Male and female performance lend itself to certain routines. Throwing in gay couples just to appease a vocal minority is unjustified.

27-07-2021 8:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670431#Comment_117670431

It's possible for a gay person to hold a homophobic position. This was pretty much illustrated by the marriage referendum. I don't see why it's "offensive" to have same sex couples in a dance contest. So ya, you're denying bigotry that she has been pretty vocal about and most prominently in her voting record. She voted to limit the rights of gay people.

breezy1985 · 27-07-2021 8:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670154#Comment_117670154

Ha I read this and was full sure we were talking about Foster again until I read up.

breezy1985 · 27-07-2021 9:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670431#Comment_117670431

The fact you are defending someone like Widdecombe makes me believe that yes you are a homophobe.

mcmoustache · 27-07-2021 9:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670551#Comment_117670551

And not the bit about how gays shouldn't be allowed on a dancing reality tv show? That's a clear cut desire for a denial of rights to a class of people. The same logic, if you could call it that, could be used to exclude any class of people from roles that were previously only open to some other, dare I say, appropriate, classes.

Weepsie · 27-07-2021 9:17pm

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It goes well beyond Strictly.

You need to educate yourself to some of her claims in 2006 when gay people, and particularly couples were finally getting some rights granted to them by the UK parliament. Made some very unsubstantiated (right up your alley) that all other rights are not considered if a bill for gay rights comes up. Her beliefs are already protected and enshrined in law, yet she has repeatedly tried to shamefully deny some of the most basic rights to a whole raft of people based on little other than bitterness

Gentlemanne · 27-07-2021 10:12pm

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Unbelievable the amount of self hatred you have. As a straight person, gay couples are just as valid and can dance together just we well. I don't even watch those shows but the fact you think nobody like you should be allowed to be on them is really strange. Do you refuse to kiss your partner in public (in case the kids might see)

Penn · 27-07-2021 10:21pm

After having made fun of GBN for having Merrill Osmond on last night, I said to be fair, I'll switch over again tonight and see what's happening.

Dan Wootton's "The Big Question" section, with his guest Janice Dickenson, via webcam, where he asked her a question from a viewer... "Is it true Julie Andrews once refused to take a selfie with you?"

Mother of God....

Timberrrrrrrr · 27-07-2021 10:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117670940#Comment_117670940

Hard hitting news that, who hasn't always wanted to know the answer to that question?

MisterAnarchy · 27-07-2021 10:43pm

Too many people today act as if no one can honestly disagree with them. If you have a difference of opinion with them, you are considered to be not merely in error but in sin. You are a racist, a homophobe or whatever the villain of the day happens to be.

Thomas Sowell

The last few pages of bile are testament to this statement.

Weepsie · 27-07-2021 10:50pm

There's no bile. There's calling a spade a spade. Cheap shots at athletes in the tennis thread is bile.

Widdicombe has a history of the most opposing any remotely progressive legislation and supported the continued dehumanizing of a vast number of population.

It's another deflection tactic you're employing here. Presented with the varied and coloured history of a person's character, it's hard to not judge them as anything but what she's been labelled as. You can't argue any differently so have to resort to calling it name calling.

27-07-2021 10:59pm

Looks like my previous observation as to the audience that the channel is trying to be appealing to, has been right on the money so far.

MisterAnarchy · 27-07-2021 11:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671047#Comment_117671047

Im not talking about Widdicombe and you know that.

Insult after insult has been thrown in this thread by people who are supposedly having a great laugh at GB News.

They arent having a laugh, they are spewing bile and being hostile towards posters with differing opinions.

There is no need for the nastiness or character assassination.

Cheap shots at athletes in the tennis thread is bile.

You should know better being a Sports moderator than to be posting cross forums and my comment over there is fair comment and the populist view on that forum.

But because you disagree with it its bile.

Too many people today act as if no one can honestly disagree with them. If you have a difference of opinion with them, you are considered to be not merely in error but in sin. You are a racist, a homophobe or whatever the villain of the day happens to be.

Weepsie · 27-07-2021 11:13pm

I can honestly disagree with people and they me. It happens everyday. This thread is fun of a small number of disingenuous people making wholly unsubstantiated claims and very carefully editing viewing figures and other stats to suit a very biased agenda.

The bile is coming the other direction, given the wholly unsubstantiated and borderline illegal comments being made about Rashford.

People are backing up their comments with stuff that is on the record and factual when describing the likes of Widdicombe and Farage. It's not bile whatsoever, and this is nothing more than deflecting.

I'm not a mod in tennis. Boards new platform has messed up. I'm a mod in one subforun only. I'm a poster anywhere else. I happened to be reading the thread, it's fair game. Just because that thread has it as a general consensus, doesn't make it any less crass a statement either.

martingriff · 27-07-2021 11:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117668920#Comment_117668920

There is that abuse button now though whatever it does. I pressed it just to see what it did there, It showed a 1 beside but then pressed it again and it went away (I hope if not I am very sorry)

27-07-2021 11:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671023#Comment_117671023

I agree, it's bile to target gay people due to their orientation. It's bile to actively campaign to limit their rights. It's most definitely bile to say they shouldn't be allowed on dancing TV shows due to being "offensive". But as a person who favours free speech, you must surely support calling out homophobia etc? Cause atm it seems like you're opposed to calling out homophobia, you're opposed to gestures against racism. It's almost as if you only want to support bigots getting their voices heard?

Timberrrrrrrr · 27-07-2021 11:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671113#Comment_117671113

There is no need for the nastiness or character assassination.

And yet the most prolific poster and GBnews fan wrongly called me a racist. He is the only one to do this, wheres your anger at him?

Christy42 · 28-07-2021 12:14am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671113#Comment_117671113

You say someone thinks a comment is bile because they disagree with it and yet consider the last few pages bile because you disagree with it.

Remember it is all about free speech and hearing others views. Except the views that they don't like like taking a knee. Anti PC is the biggest lie out there, there is no anti pc side, just people who want to define what is pc and what isn't.

breezy1985 · 28-07-2021 12:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671262#Comment_117671262

Maybe it is for throwing abuse at people :)

breezy1985 · 28-07-2021 12:32am

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He tried to steer me down alleys on a number of occasions where I would catch myself out and look the racist

28-07-2021 7:11am

I never suggested that it is "offensive" to see gay people on Strictly Come Dancing. Plenty of gay people have appeared on the show; they just happened to be partnered to a woman. What's wrong with that? Dance couples aren't put together based on sexual orientation.

But that professional association has nothing to do with sexual orientation, so there is no reason to include gay couples just because a vocal minority are making themselves heard. It doesn't matter whether it's a straight woman or a gay woman, a straight man or a gay man. Couples aren't put together on Strictly because of sexual orientation, so why the demand to include gay couples? It's absurd.

There are physical differences between men and women, and this is why dance lends itself complimentary for both to work together. Again, it has nothing to do with sexual preference why they are dancing together.

So, why do people force sexual orientation onto the question as if it were relevant?

I completely reject allegations of being a self-hating homophobic homosexual. I am in favour of gay marriage, but that doesn't mean I should sit back and find offensive Anne Widdecombe's perspective on the matter. That's her personal view. I couldn't give a damn about it. The opinion doesn't affect my work. She's not in a majority in parliament. She's not Prime Minister. Her view will not become reality in 2025. It's just an OPINION.

Here is Iain Dale, an openly gay LBC presenter talking to Anne Widdecombe about her views on gay rights and their friendship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C5jImccAes

listermint · 28-07-2021 7:22am

She is just an all round delightful person.

https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1420136814321577985?s=20

28-07-2021 7:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671622#Comment_117671622

I have no issues with her whatsoever.

Her piece on conversion therapy was about a gay Christian who, because of his religious beliefs, went to a psychotherapist to try and become heterosexual. The psychotherapist accepted the client, and she was then barred from practicing in future. Anne Widdecombe argued that the psychotherapist should not have been barred and that, if the gay Christian wants to become heterosexual, he should be allowed to do so.

I agree with her: the psychotherapist should not have been barred. This was a private agreement made between psychotherapist and a gay Christian. And as it's private, it has nothing to do with me or anyone else. The State should not get involved.

I don't support the practice because it doesn't work.

So, if anything, I find comical the idea that a gay Christian can believe that he can become a heterosexual Christian by talking to a therapist. But, as I say, it has nothing to do with me. I'm an atheist, and find the practice bonkers.

That said, individuals have the right to make their own decisions about what path they want to take in life. I have no right to tell them what to do. Anne Widdecombe was making that broader point and, insofar as that point is concerned, I agree with her.

28-07-2021 7:47am

A psychotherapist has a duty of care so they were putting a patient's well being at risk and putting the profession into disrepute... Qualifications granted by professional bodies are something that can be removed if you fail to uphold the requirements of the qualification.

Anyway, so far she's coming across as a bigot... Like the amount of evidence is huge in contrast to your Rashford claims which you literally had no evidence of. Rashford has also done more good than she ever managed as a politician... Fair play to him.

ancapailldorcha · 28-07-2021 7:50am

We wouldn't even have mentioned sexuality had you not decided to promote and defend one of the most homophobic politicians in Britain.

I genuinely wonder if there is any sort of vile bigot you won't do this for if they appear on GB News. They must he really desperate if this is how low they need to stoop.