Wearing a white Poppy

ShatterAlan

Gatling wrote: »

Never heard of the swastika laundry that used to operate here , there ww2 style vans were painted black ,white ,red and a swastika on it .
Up until a few years ago you could still see a chimney with the logo on it in Dublin.

Punk rockers in temple bar used to wear it for fecks sake

The Swastika Laundries preceded Nazism FFS.



It was founded in 1912 and used the "svastika" as a symbol of health and wellbeing.


And that chimney was gotten rid of in the 70's....hardly a "few years ago". Try a few decades ago.

ShatterAlan

Graces7 wrote: »

Sigh. BIG sigh. All countries honour their dead. As is right and good and fitting. Mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters; we all need to honour the dead who died in war. Death has no politics or nationality.

If you were a German woman would you "honour" your sons and husbands who blitzed London, razed Warsaw to the ground and then gunned millions of Russians into the blood soaked snow?

ILoveYourVibes

ShatterAlan wrote: »

The Swastika Laundries preceded Nazism FFS.



It was founded in 1912 and used the "svastika" as a symbol of health and wellbeing.


And that chimney was gotten rid of in the 70's....hardly a "few years ago". Try a few decades ago.

Its still bizarre.

Hercule Poirot

Does it really matter one iota?

If someone wants to wear a poppy let them, if they don't it's not a big deal either

Why do we have the same ground being trampled every year with poppies - to me it's no different if someone wears a red jumper or a yellow jumper, doesn't affect me in the slightest and I certainly won't pass comment on whether or not someone wears one

I don't wear one. It's not a statement of any kind, I just don't see the point of it.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

I think I'll wear a peace symbol, with the words "born to kill" underneath!

To display my deep perspective on the perplexing duality of man... or my love of the movie full metal jacket!

Timberrrrrrrr

ShatterAlan wrote: »

The Swastika Laundries preceded Nazism FFS.



It was founded in 1912 and used the "svastika" as a symbol of health and wellbeing.


And that chimney was gotten rid of in the 70's....hardly a "few years ago". Try a few decades ago.

The chimney is still there, the swastika was painted over in 1987.

super_furry

How about let people wear what they want to wear and go about your day?

Gregor Samsa

I wear this Poppy proudly:

Graces7

ShatterAlan wrote: »

So what?


They didn't have to "serve". Why should anyone be pressured into marching in lockstep by wearing a poppy to "remember" the fallen? Incidentally they're not "fallen", they were were killed, shot, burnt, blown to bits.


It's just another example of browbeating and emotional blackmail.

:rolleyes:

Yester

I like puppies.

Hamsterchops

I do think the white poppy is an interesting compromise for those who dwell more on the future peace aspect of remembrance, rather than the symbolism of the red poppy itself, which grows naturally on Flanders Fields, where so many fell . . .

The memory of their loss is slowly falling away, specially since the one hundred year anniversary of the 1918 armistice has passed.

Kylta

Yester wrote: »

I like puppies.

I like womens puppies

Feisar

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I think I'll wear a peace symbol, with the words "born to kill" underneath!

To display my deep perspective on the perplexing duality of man... or my love of the movie full metal jacket!

You are too beaucoup for this thread!

indioblack

ShatterAlan wrote: »

What's your opinion on war criminals?


Maybe you don't like the dirty news and cling on to the good stuff but Iraq was a complete war crime and all those who took part were/are complicit.



As I mentioned, the guy can wear whatever he wants to celebrate whatever he wants. But don't bluff out the rest of us by trying to maintain that it is to honour the great defenders of women, children, the elderly and the defenseless.



The British Army are and always have been a body to impose colonial threat in order to maintain a monetary advantage back at home for the upper echelons. If you think that Tommy Atkins who was gassed to death in the trenches of the Somme was defending anyone then I suggest you go back to your comic books.

Life is seldom black and white, good or bad. Mostly it's a combination of both in varying amounts.
Simplistic notions like that are the stuff of comic books.

Treppen

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

I wear this Poppy proudly:

Now I know you're trolling

JasonStatham

This is only an issue for well known Irish people in the UK, whos careers depend on Brits.

Jimmy Twotimes

You know the people who complain about being 'compelled' to wear the poppy are the same people who will demand you kneel before blm.

endacl

Treppen wrote: »

I for one think this is a good compromise.

Cool. I’ll go along when Boris pins on a red lily at Easter*.

* I won’t be wearing a whit lily though. Not a knuckle dragging shinner.

ShatterAlan

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

Does it really matter one iota?

If someone wants to wear a poppy let them, if they don't it's not a big deal either

Why do we have the same ground being trampled every year with poppies - to me it's no different if someone wears a red jumper or a yellow jumper, doesn't affect me in the slightest and I certainly won't pass comment on whether or not someone wears one

I don't wear one. It's not a statement of any kind, I just don't see the point of it.

They can wear what they want but I get the sense that they enjoy the offence it causes. And the hypocrisy gets me. They have this notion of British military sacrifice and gallantry and fighting for people's freedom when in reality the British military have always been killing inncoent people to maintain empire or more recently to march in lockstep with the US in order to maintain American empire.

They don't like to think of these uncomfortable facts. You get the same thing from the Americans. They blindly "support the troops" because they are too afraid to be called a traitor if they don't toe the line.

I also get the sense that a lot of these poppy wearers would have a lot to say if someone wore a Chariman Mao cap, or a t-shirt with a hammer and sickle or Fidel Castro on it.

ShatterAlan

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I do think the white poppy is an interesting compromise for those who dwell more on the future peace aspect of remembrance, rather than the symbolism of the red poppy itself, which grows naturally on Flanders Fields, where so many fell died. . .

The memory of their loss is slowly falling away, specially since the one hundred year anniversary of the 1918 armistice has passed.

fyp.

ShatterAlan

Jimmy Twotimes wrote: »

You know the people who complain about being 'compelled' to wear the poppy are the same people who will demand you kneel before blm.

Hardly. BLM is a movement that decries police brutality against black people. That's something upon which everyone should agree. You don't have to attend marches or wear a t-shirt or anything but opposing the message of the movement is something incomprehensible to me.

Timberrrrrrrr

ShatterAlan wrote: »

They can wear what they want but I get the sense that they enjoy the offence it causes. And the hypocrisy gets me. They have this notion of British military sacrifice and gallantry and fighting for people's freedom when in reality the British military have always been killing inncoent people to maintain empire or more recently to march in lockstep with the US in order to maintain American empire.

How can someone "enjoy the offence it causes" when offence has never been witnessed? This "offence" is in your mind and you are part of a tiny minority

They don't like to think of these uncomfortable facts. You get the same thing from the Americans. They blindly "support the troops" because they are too afraid to be called a traitor if they don't toe the line.

I also get the sense that a lot of these poppy wearers would have a lot to say if someone wore a Chariman Mao cap, or a t-shirt with a hammer and sickle or Fidel Castro on it.

And again, more made up outrage, why would I care if someone wore those clothes? Shìt man you could wallpaper your house, decal your car and name your kids Mao, Stalin and Fidel and I wouldn’t give a tiny shiny shìte.

Kylta

A tiny shiny sh!te, that's my answer to everything that I don't agree with today. Its.alittle bit lighter than go fu¢k yourself, or ask my bollix, or does it look like I give a flying fu¢k

indioblack

ShatterAlan wrote: »

They can wear what they want but I get the sense that they enjoy the offence it causes. And the hypocrisy gets me. They have this notion of British military sacrifice and gallantry and fighting for people's freedom when in reality the British military have always been killing inncoent people to maintain empire or more recently to march in lockstep with the US in order to maintain American empire.

They don't like to think of these uncomfortable facts. You get the same thing from the Americans. They blindly "support the troops" because they are too afraid to be called a traitor if they don't toe the line.

I also get the sense that a lot of these poppy wearers would have a lot to say if someone wore a Chariman Mao cap, or a t-shirt with a hammer and sickle or Fidel Castro on it.

In my locality I have never met anyone expressing an opinion for or against wearing or not wearing a poppy flower. If you buy one and wear it, that's your choice - if you don't, that's your choice also. I've never heard a comment from someone wearing one about those who don't and vice versa. It's there, it's that time of year and that's it.
The only sense I get is that you enjoy the feeling of self-generated offence. It's probable that the overwhelming majority aren't even thinking about you with regard to this matter. It's mostly a personal choice.

fonecrusher1

Is it poppy worship season already across the water? What a load of oul cliche saturated ****e.

indioblack

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Is it poppy worship season already across the water? What a load of oul cliche saturated ****e.

It's a psychological phenomenon akin to moving statues........

Hamsterchops

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Is it poppy worship season already across the water?

I hope not, far too early.

indioblack

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I hope not, far too early.

There's always time on AH for some healthy outrage.

Feisar

Kylta wrote: »

A tiny shiny sh!te, that's my answer to everything that I don't agree with today. Its.alittle bit lighter than go fu¢k yourself, or ask my bollix, or does it look like I give a flying fu¢k

It's a great one, deffo nicking it.

El_Duderino 09

Ah, whatever about the rights and wrongs of it, I think people often forget the pageantry some British people enjoy. Some of them revel in the fact that they won two world wars. I'm ambivalent about it. Part of me thinks 'fair play, their ancestors were involved in some pretty bid world events' and I know the Irish would be similarly proud if our military was a leader in such big operations.

Another part of me thinks it's ridiculous that people like MP Mark Francois say "we won the war". While he's right that Britain was part of winning the war, he wasn't even alive during the war and he contributed nothing towards winnings the war.

A bit of patriotism is no harm. But when people start thinking they deserve credit for things their ancestors achieved, then it becomes ridiculous.

I wouldn't wear a poppy but can't bring myself to get upset at anyone who wants to wear one.