Trump's tax info is out

lawrencesummers

Wanderer78 wrote: »

biden is dreadful, he just happens to be less dreadful than himself!

It’s an awful pity that there isn’t a stronger candidate against him which would have removed or at least reduced the chances of Trump maintaining the middle ground.

Wanderer78

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s an awful pity that there isn’t a stronger candidate against him which would have removed or at least reduced the chances of Trump maintaining the middle ground.

ah shur look, American politics is wrecked

Eric Cartman

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s an awful pity that there isn’t a stronger candidate against him which would have removed or at least reduced the chances of Trump maintaining the middle ground.

I think this is an understated point of view. The man is not a brilliant politician, by any means.

The democrats really have struggled to groom a decent candidate since Obamas term was coming to an end. On inauguration day 2012 somebody should have held a meeting and said 'we have 4 years to actually have somebody decent' and this may never have happened.

It seems like they're not even trying anymore.

flynnlives

Just how ****ty are his businesses if the Banks wanted personal Guarantees on $421m in loans?

This guy is a supposed Billionaire.

To you think Bezos, Musk and other real Billionaires are using their own wealth as collateral?
Or has any bank said, nahh Amazon or Tesla aint enough as collateral, we want your personal wealth too.

Id say Trumps personal fortune is worth less then $150m. There is zero chance he was ever a billionaire.

Id say there will be calls on those 421m if he loses because the feds and States will be lining up with indictments.

Wanderer78

flynnlives wrote: »

Just how ****ty are his businesses if the Banks wanted personal Guarantees on $421m in loans?

This guy is a supposed Billionaire.

To you think Bezos, Musk and other real Billionaires are using their own wealth as collateral?
Or has any bank said, nahh Amazon or Tesla aint enough as collateral, we want your personal wealth too.

Id say Trumps personal fortune is worth less then $150m. There is zero chance he was ever a billionaire.

Id say there will be calls on those 421m if he loses because the feds and States will be lining up with indictments.

...and id say he hasnt stuck his own hands into his own pockets, ever!

Leroy42

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think this is an understated point of view. The man is not a brilliant politician, by any means.

The democrats really have struggled to groom a decent candidate since Obamas term was coming to an end. On inauguration day 2012 somebody should have held a meeting and said 'we have 4 years to actually have somebody decent' and this may never have happened.

It seems like they're not even trying anymore.

Both HC and now Biden are perfectly fine and reasonable candidates. They just aren't what you like. But in any normal sphere they would be very strong front runners, as in fact they both are/were.

There is no way that the Democrats could have foreseen that just a large portion of the electorate would actually not only accept being lied to but actually welcome it.

They prepared politicians with experience (which was a massive issue levelled at Obama) and a history of strong positions and service. That that was all to be thrown back against them as being 'part of the swamp' rather than having experience (which funnily Trump now seem to deem as a good thing)

Wanderer78

Leroy42 wrote: »

Both HC and now Biden are perfectly fine and reasonable candidates. They just aren't what you like. But in any normal sphere they would be very strong front runners, as in fact they both are/were.

There is no way that the Democrats could have foreseen that just a large portion of the electorate would actually not only accept being lied to but actually welcome it.

They prepared politicians with experience (which was a massive issue levelled at Obama) and a history of strong positions and service. That that was all to be thrown back against them as being 'part of the swamp' rather than having experience (which funnily Trump now seem to deem as a good thing)

strongly disagree there, many American's simply dont connect with either, hence himself, and calling folks 'deplorables' really isnt all that intelligent!

Timberrrrrrrr

Wanderer78 wrote: »

strongly disagree there, many American's simply dont connect with either, hence himself, and calling folks 'deplorables' really isnt all that intelligent!

And yet Clinton got more votes than Trump so she was more popular than him.

Wanderer78

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And yet Clinton got more votes than Trump so she was more popular than him.

true, but the american system isnt exactly democratic, this hasnt changed either

Eric Cartman

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And yet Clinton got more votes than Trump so she was more popular than him.

but she didn't get the votes in the right places. She won checkers but the game was chess.

irishblessing

blinding wrote: »

Ya gotta love the Guy. And when the Commies are crying again after Election Night ya just Love the Guy More ! !

Maybe he can send you his boots to lick after he's done with them!

I'll remember your username come Nov 3rd, when hopefully you'll be eating crow.

Penn

Regardless of how electable Clinton or Biden were/are, none of that changes what this thread is about; Donald Trump is a liar who is in serious debt stemming from numerous failed businesses and has likely broken numerous tax laws. He has repeatedly used his Presidency to shore up his own businesses through his incredible number of golf trips or holding events at his own businesses (including trying to hold the G7 meeting at his own business), and has lied to the American public numerous times about it. Not only that, but he has actively used the Justice Department to try and shield his personal tax returns and accounts from being investigated.

The man is a liar, a cheat, and a true hoax.

Quin_Dub

Wanderer78 wrote: »

strongly disagree there, many American's simply dont connect with either, hence himself, and calling folks 'deplorables' really isnt all that intelligent!

Trump called people that don't support him "Human Scum".

"Basket of Deplorables" is positively quaint in comparison.

Timberrrrrrrr

irishblessing wrote: »

Maybe he can send you his boots to lick after he's done with them!

I'll remember your username come Nov 3rd, when hopefully you'll be eating crow.

Lol, If Biden wins on Nov 3rd you will see a lot of accounts disappear over night, a few days later a lot of new accounts will spout up telling us how terrible Biden is as president.

Billy Mays

blinding wrote: »

For all this tittle tattle about Donald Trump he is a Great President and Improving all the Time.

He has actually found the Job that suits him best and still improving = = Its all good.

His Next great Achievement will be to keep out the Antifa communist terrorists / BLM communist terrorists / bog standard communists.

America has hit the Jack-Pot.

Wanderer78

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Trump called people that don't support him "Human Scum".

"Basket of Deplorables" is positively quaint in comparison.

shur hes a prick, and so is she, biden is dreadful, in other ways

irishblessing

blinding wrote: »

Donald is definitely One of the Good Guys. A Great Guy in Fact.

So long as Donald stops the Antifa Terrorist Communists / the BLM Terrorist Communists and the other Communists then Donald is a Great Guy.

None of those groups are labeled as terrorists, except by the orange con man because, agenda. You can't just label a group as anything you want because you don't agree with them. And who are the "Communists" anyway.

Quin_Dub

Wanderer78 wrote: »

shur hes a prick, and so is she, biden is dreadful, in other ways

I don't think Biden is "dreadful" at all.. He's dull , boring and milquetoast but that's kind of the point right now..

It's like after a week-long bender drinking shots and eating Vindaloo , what you really need is a glass of milk and a cheese sandwich.

Yes , the quinoa salad and mung-bean smoothie are probably better for you , but for now you just want a bit of plain.

Joe Biden is political Comfort food.

Wanderer78

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I don't think Biden is "dreadful" at all.. He's dull , boring and milquetoast but that's kind of the point right now..

It's like after a week-long bender drinking shots and eating Vindaloo , what you really need is a glass of milk and a cheese sandwich.

Yes , the quinoa salad and mung-bean smoothie are probably better for you , but for now you just want a bit of plain.

Joe Biden is political Comfort food.

im starving now!

listermint

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think this is an understated point of view. The man is not a brilliant politician, by any means.

The democrats really have struggled to groom a decent candidate since Obamas term was coming to an end. On inauguration day 2012 somebody should have held a meeting and said 'we have 4 years to actually have somebody decent' and this may never have happened.

It seems like they're not even trying anymore.

It wouldnt matter what level of calibre the dems put forward for the 2020 election. The likes of yourself would still be blindly lauding trump for his skill and prowess as a human being.

I mean its nothing short of amusing. Adults will go to the levels they go to put a tv star on such a pedestal as something to aspire to.

Its nothing short of boy band teenage crush nonsense in all its glory.

breezy1985

irishblessing wrote: »

None of those groups are labeled as terrorists, except by the orange con man because, agenda. You can't just label a group as anything you want because you don't agree with them. And who are the "Communists" anyway.

Well there's rumours that Trump is backed by an ex communist

steddyeddy

The "billionaire" who hides his taxes.
The "genius" who hides his college grades.
The "business man" who bankrupted a casino.
The "playboy" who pays for sex.
The "Christian" who doesn't go to church.
The "philanthropist" who defrauds charity.
The "patriot" who dodged the draft.
The "innocent man" who refuses to testify and fires people who are investigating him.

Wanderer78

steddyeddy wrote: »

The "billionaire" who hides his taxes.
The "genius" who hides his college grades.
The "business man" who bankrupted a casino.
The "playboy" who pays for sex.
The "Christian" who doesn't go to church.
The "philanthropist" who defrauds charity.
The "patriot" who dodged the draft.
The "innocent man" who refuses to testify and fires people who are investigating him.

the second term pres!

listermint

steddyeddy wrote: »

The "billionaire" who hides his taxes.
The "genius" who hides his college grades.
The "business man" who bankrupted a casino.
The "playboy" who pays for sex.
The "Christian" who doesn't go to church.
The "philanthropist" who defrauds charity.
The "patriot" who dodged the draft.
The "innocent man" who refuses to testify and fires people who are investigating him.

The 'Stable' Genius who has more lean on him than the tower in pisa

irishblessing

3xh wrote: »

Two questions, OP;

1) Why now? Because of the election. It’s all political. Not about right from wrong with the media and the Democrats.

And by the way, offsetting losses against actual gains isn’t tax evasion.

2) Why refer to the last 15yrs? Because by going further back, it’ll have been shown he paid X tax beyond that period. So now it’d become ‘Trump paid income tax in 10 of the last 20 years’ or whatever. Not as sexy anymore for the media.

Don’t get sucked into their game.

1) I disagree. People have been trying to get their hands on these documents for years. Every other presidential candidate has released them. This has been a very long time coming. Further to your timing point, if Trump doesn't like it, he could have released them when he said he would. He never did and stalled the ball, and will continue to (until now that is) and still cover up what he can.

2) Because those are the records they obtained? There's far more to the story than just income tax paid, plenty sexy on it's own merits. :pac:

R.F.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I don't think Biden is "dreadful" at all.. He's dull , boring and milquetoast but that's kind of the point right now..

It's like after a week-long bender drinking shots and eating Vindaloo , what you really need is a glass of milk and a cheese sandwich.

Yes , the quinoa salad and mung-bean smoothie are probably better for you , but for now you just want a bit of plain.

Joe Biden is political Comfort food.

Just not having the leader of the free world being a narcissistic, deranged, racist buffoon would be lovely for 4 years.

Quin_Dub

3xh wrote: »

Two questions, OP;

1) Why now? Because of the election. It’s all political. Not about right from wrong with the media and the Democrats.

And by the way, offsetting losses against actual gains isn’t tax evasion.

2) Why refer to the last 15yrs? Because by going further back, it’ll have been shown he paid X tax beyond that period. So now it’d become ‘Trump paid income tax in 10 of the last 20 years’ or whatever. Not as sexy anymore for the media.

Don’t get sucked into their game.

You are correct - But it's the scale of the losses that are significant and hugely damaging to "Brand Trump".

What it shows is that his actual businesses - Hotels , Golf Courses , Real Estate are all consistently losing money , year after year after year.

His ENTIRE persona and also the only thing that he actually makes money off it would seem, is the myth that he is a super successful deal-making Business maven.

This information shows that in reality , he is a very very poor business man and without the hundreds of millions of dollars he inherited from his father he'd be penniless.

If proven true (and I have no reason to believe that the NYT would risk everything on a fake) this utterly destroys "Donald Trump" the brand and likely signals the end of Donald Trump the man as without the brand no one is going to give him a penny nor will they forgive him his debts.

Timberrrrrrrr

Quin_Dub wrote: »

You are correct - But it's the scale of the losses that are significant and hugely damaging to "Brand Trump".

What it shows is that his actual businesses - Hotels , Golf Courses , Real Estate are all consistently losing money , year after year after year.

His ENTIRE persona and also the only thing that he actually makes money off it would seem, is the myth that he is a super successful deal-making Business maven.

This information shows that in reality , he is a very very poor business man and without the hundreds of millions of dollars he inherited from his father he'd be penniless.

If proven true (and I have no reason to believe that the NYT would risk everything on a fake) this utterly destroys "Donald Trump" the brand and likely signals the end of Donald Trump the man as without the brand no one is going to give him a penny nor will they forgive him his debts.

If it's true that he has hundreds of millions in debt that's due to be paid off then thiss is huge and will make him desperate.

Now that this news is out there the vultures will be circling, as soon as he is out of the whitehouse he is going to get hammered for payments.

Outlaw Pete

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1310587468731879431
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1310587471231582208


Be nice now if the mainstream liberal media could just focus on who is doing / will do the best job for America instead of this constant effort to by the left to find sticks / twigs to beat him with given everything else they have tried in their efforts to take him down hasn't worked.

irishblessing

OMM 0000 wrote: »

No, you're here like a broken record every time there is a thread about something which isn't far left.

You probably think Trump is a white supremacist or working with the Russians, don't you?

Hahhaa, and you obviously deny the plain truth! Trump has a racist history as well as working with the Russians- was it just an inconvenient truth that he publicly spoke to Russia to hack emails for him, and then lo and behold, they did?