Crowds gathering in Galway

ThewhiteJesus

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Delighted to see them out living their lives.

How long do expect them to put their lives on hold for?

It's already been 6 months.

Honestly i agree 100%
I think it's time the people rebelled against these ridiculous rules

stephenjmcd

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm surprised you can't see how students living by themselves having house parties compared to students living at home with their parents and not allowed to house parties wouldn't have any outcome on house parties.

I think you'd argue grass isn't green just for the sake of it

Good man I'll have a reasonable discussion on the topic thanks, something which doesn't seem possible with you based on previous interactions, but anyway here we are.

What you've outlined didn't stop house parties all summer. They were going on regardless

LessOutragePlz

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Delighted to see them out living their lives.

How long do expect them to put their lives on hold for?

It's already been 6 months.

They should all be expelled from college, that would give them a proper dose of what its like to have their life on hold not being asked to stay the F at home and dont be meeting in groups.

LessOutragePlz

Jaime Warm Menopause wrote: »

They should all be expelled from college, that would give them a proper dose of what its like to have their life on hold not being asked to stay the F at home and dont be meeting in groups.

But it's ok for them to drink and drive as long as they're under the legal limit right?

testtech05

3xh wrote: »

There is no way you know those figures for a fact. You’ve been told them, yes?

Let me ask; of those 56 positive results, how many were people coughing and spluttering, struggling to breathe? How many were actually false positives owing to the fallibility of the test unit themselves?How many were positive results owing to the test picking up on the so called virus debris from a Covid contraction the person had weeks ago, were asymptomatic at the time and were now only being tested because of known-contact tracing procedures?

I think that poster on page 1 with the twitter link sums it up; what is the difference between this student example and all the kids back in school. In classrooms, for that matter. It was an absolute target of government and NPHET to reopen schools. But this is different?

I think the 56 cases might refer to an example index case illustration Dr Glynn posted to his twitter last night from yesterdays presentation:
https://twitter.com/ronan_glynn/status/1310639444802838528?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

LessOutragePlz

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

But it's ok for them to drink and drive as long as they're under the legal limit right?

Maybe you could enlighten us on what's wrong with it or what laws are bring broken? I assume you feel it's not ok to drive below the speed limit or drive with tyres above the legal thread depth.

Like this point has been made a few times and it has to be the most stupid idiotic comment in years. "yeah but you think its ok to drive while not breaking any law or doing a single thing wrong"......... :rolleyes:

ixoy

titan18 wrote: »

One generation in their youth were willing to pay a price for society. The current generation aren't willing to do that.

Ireland was neutral though in WW2 so we didn't exactly rush to pay the price then either...

People also had more reason to be a bit concerned (a bomb is a far more obvious clear and present threat, as is a bullet if things had progressed). Society of course was also different from a wide range of perspectives.

super_furry

Some proper, proper loopers determind to conflate every single thing that happens with World War 2.

Kids drinking cans? They wouldn't last two minutes against the Nazis!

People socialising in a public space? Hah I'd like to see them in the trenches facing down the German blitzkreig!

People not happy about being confined to their homes? Well if Anne Frank did it so can you!!!!!

JP Liz V1

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Delighted to see them out living their lives.
How long do expect them to put their lives on hold for?
It's already been 6 months.

No one is asking them to stop living their lives just to have some cop on, show personal responsibility, no mass gatherings etc., this deadly affects all ages, their parents should be ashamed

Oranage2

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Good man I'll have a reasonable discussion on the topic thanks, something which doesn't seem possible with you based on previous interactions, but anyway here we are.

What you've outlined didn't stop house parties all summer. They were going on regardless

I said it would decrease house parties not completely stop them so please read the comments more carefully next time

karlitob

Hulk Hands wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RomanShortall/status/1310862126614032384

I think this is a reasonable point. They're at the same risk as the teenagers (i.e none). There might have been a bit more singing and spraying. If anything, they'll have less spread going back to their student pods than the kids going home to parents and grandparents.

Best reply: "The students on Spanish arch are enjoying themselves, something strictly forbidden in Covid Ireland."

It’s a reasonable question. There are a few differences to be fair.

With that reasoning, everything needs to be shut down so as to avoid any spread.

Since that’s not the plan (though it’s hard to know what the plan is) it’s then about opening up society, on the basis of risk - with the emphasis on being limiting social contacts and rapid testing and tracing to lockdown those who have been effected.

It’s not unreasonable to suggest that parents of children have a somewhat standard Daily routine, that they are limiting their contacts and that their child is the same. Reasonable risk, reasonable approach, social contacts limited and an ability to know rapidly who you have been in contact.

You can’t so any of those things on the piss.

The levels are not about providing a sterile environment - it’s about limiting spread.


On the basis of the collective good (and on a lot of presumptions) clearly school is far more important than students right to drink and I can understand the reasoning of nphet

road_high

titan18 wrote: »

Imagine the elderly across Europe that are still alive who lived during WW2, and maybe the ones old enough to actually have served in WW2 seeing these arguments now. They must thing this generation are very soft altogether if these "lockdowns" are too tough.

They aren’t tough they just serve no purpose apart from making virtue signallers even smugger.
The Swedish example now illustrates how useful lockdowns are ie not very

Righty

super_furry wrote: »

Some proper, proper loopers determind to conflate every single thing that happens with World War 2.

Kids drinking cans? They wouldn't last two minutes against the Nazis!

People socialising in a public space? Hah I'd like to see them in the trenches facing down the German blitzkreig!

People not happy about being confined to their homes? Well if Anne Frank did it so can you!!!!!

Got a proper laugh out of that haha 😂

ThewhiteJesus

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

No one is asking them to stop living their lives just to have some cop on, show personal responsibility, no mass gatherings etc., this deadly affects all ages, their parents should be ashamed

i'm not sure about that, most parents were delighted to see their kids back mingling with other kids, especially teenagers they need their friends

road_high

road_high wrote: »

They aren’t tough they just serve no purpose apart from making virtue signallers even smugger.
The Swedish example now illustrates how useful lockdowns are ie not very

The same Sweden with a massive death rate and cast aside so many of its citizens? They illustrate very well that lock downs are a necessity.

Ficheall

3xh wrote: »

You can be sure there’s vested interest people...

Like those concerned about the virus...

titan18

ixoy wrote: »

Ireland was neutral though in WW2 so we didn't exactly rush to pay the price then either...

People also had more reason to be a bit concerned (a bomb is a far more obvious clear and present threat, as is a bullet if things had progressed). Society of course was also different from a wide range of perspectives.

I was talking Europe wide there. Im sure it's not just Irish youth who want to go drinking. I'm sure the French, Spanish, italians etc are all doing the same thing our students are doing.

Point is though the students should cop on and give up a bit of their life for societies benefit. Plenty of other age groups are doing it. Sure there's selfish ones in all them and they all should cop on too, but as the topic is students, they should cop on. I live near UCC and there was a lot of parties in the area when I went for a walk last night.

ThewhiteJesus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

i'm not sure about that, most parents were delighted to see their kids back mingling with other kids, especially teenagers they need their friends

Nonsense, any parent happy to see their kids mingling is also a selfish idiot themselves with no respect at all for the seriousness of the virus we are dealing with.

LessOutragePlz

titan18 wrote: »

I mean the death rate in ww2 as a percentage for lots of countries was small too, but that's beside the point.

One generation in their youth were willing to pay a price for society. The current generation aren't willing to do that.

Pubs and restaurants will likely be shut down this week or next in Galway and Cork, and whilst they don't get all the blame(there's plenty of other selfish ****s in other age groups too) students will have to shoulder some of it for those scenes last night.

Nice shifting of the goalposts there but was the detah rate as small as 0.01% for any country?

Damn right they aren't willing to do that, they along with many others are sick to death of all the doom and gloom being peddled by the media and shoved down our throats from posters such as yourself.

Yeah we get it's all the students, pubs and restaurants fault.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that it's very hard to care about a virus that has a 0.01% of killing you?

Call us selfish all you want but I'd call it being realistic.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

"3xh wrote: »

But they’re students, after starting college and not in the at-risk group basically living in the same house/block. Outside too.

Everyone is in the at risk group you gowl. The sooner young people realise that, the better.

LessOutragePlz

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

No one is asking them to stop living their lives just to have some cop on, show personal responsibility, no mass gatherings etc., this deadly affects all ages, their parents should be ashamed

Pretty sure asking them not to socialise is asking them to stop having a social life???

Yeah it sure is deadly for them they have the same chance of dying from a lightening strike as they do from the virus.

Plumbthedepths

Covid19 wrote: »

I was shocked to see, first hand, the total lack of responsibility shown by the students on the opening night.
What will it take to get younger folk to view the current crisis more seriously?
Will loved ones or relatives need to die before they cop on?

https://mobile.twitter.com/EddieHoareFG/status/1310697801211351040

Talk to Joe on Whineline.

Sconsey

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Nice shifting of the goalposts there but was the detah rate as small as 0.01% for any country?

Damn right they aren't willing to do that, they along with many others are sick to death of all the doom and gloom being peddled by the media and shoved down our throats from posters such as yourself.

Yeah we get it's all the students, pubs and restaurants fault.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that it's very hard to care about a virus that has a 0.01% of killing you?

Call us selfish all you want but I'd call it being realistic.

Yes definitely I would call you selfish.

Hulk Hands

karlitob wrote: »

It’s a reasonable question. There are a few differences to be fair.

With that reasoning, everything needs to be shut down so as to avoid any spread.

Since that’s not the plan (though it’s hard to know what the plan is) it’s then about opening up society, on the basis of risk - with the emphasis on being limiting social contacts and rapid testing and tracing to lockdown those who have been effected.

It’s not unreasonable to suggest that parents of children have a somewhat standard Daily routine, that they are limiting their contacts and that their child is the same. Reasonable risk, reasonable approach, social contacts limited and an ability to know rapidly who you have been in contact.

You can’t so any of those things on the piss.

The levels are not about providing a sterile environment - it’s about limiting spread.


On the basis of the collective good (and on a lot of presumptions) clearly school is far more important than students right to drink and I can understand the reasoning of nphet

Good points. I wasn't suggesting what went on is something to be celebrated anyway, and that lad in the tweet did say it shouldn't have happened.

I think what's starting to annoy certain people, including myself, will be the hysteria you see about this today, or Berlin D2 a few weeks ago (which was a minor breach all told), when there is similar happening elsewhere in daily life which people seemingly don't have issue with. It does very much feel as if there's a strong feeling nationwide of "how dare people enjoy themselves".

If the scenes last night really worry people, then even allowing for certain things being mandatory and piss-up's non-mandatory, the return of schools must really have you frightened daily.

3xh

Kyler Rancid Runway wrote: »

Everyone is in the at risk group you gowl. The sooner young people realise that, the better.

Stupid post.

road_high

Jaime Warm Menopause wrote: »

The same Sweden with a massive death rate and cast aside so many of its citizens? They illustrate very well that lock downs are a necessity.

Keep up- Sweden’s death rate is now below the U.K. (which had the same hysterical lockdowns we had) and not very much above ours especially when you take account of their much older demographic. Spain, Italy, Belgium all had severe lockdowns yet death rates way above Sweden’s. I know it’s hard for you to hear (but like when we found out santy wasn't real) but the reality of the farce that is lockdown may sink in. Eventually

super_furry

It's mad how the outrage is reserved for young people out trying to enjoy themselves after the poxiest six months of their lives.

Where's the outrage about the meat and fish factories which are causing genuine and verifiable outbreaks? Nearly 2,000 cases from that industry now, with more than 40 proven outbreaks.

But no, it's all down to the Galway students finally letting off some steam.

You want to really have an impact here, close down the meat factories.

LessOutragePlz

Jaime Warm Menopause wrote: »

Nonsense, any parent happy to see their kids mingling is also a selfish idiot themselves with no respect at all for the seriousness of the virus we are dealing with.

The virus isn't serious for them 99.99% survival rate for them. You must think that dying from a lightneing strike is a serious threat to them too since they've the same chance of dying from either one?

eastie17

The comms need an overhaul, its clearly not working, the constant FeaRTE (see what I did there) wall to wall coverage is just turning people off. Every night its like "here is the list of todays dead from the war" and its constant negativity and fear.
At this stage whatever cohort of people that don't get it, aren't going to get it, I just dont see the point of what appears to be a tactic at this stage of not reporting the news but attempting to scare the ****e out of people.

Not sure what I'm trying to say really but I think a new approach is needed in communicating this

titan18

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Nice shifting of the goalposts there but was the detah rate as small as 0.01% for any country?

Damn right they aren't willing to do that, they along with many others are sick to death of all the doom and gloom being peddled by the media and shoved down our throats from posters such as yourself.

Yeah we get it's all the students, pubs and restaurants fault.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that it's very hard to care about a virus that has a 0.01% of killing you?

Call us selfish all you want but I'd call it being realistic.

Well, the death rate in Ireland was less than 0.01% as we had so few who went to fight. Some of the larger countries that were involved had death rates of less than 1% though (UK and US for example)

I never said it was all the students, pub and restaurants fault. I actually specifically said it wasn't.

I'm only 31 myself so not that old, and get counted in the whole it's under 45s, or the 25-34 age group that are causing increases.

Also, sure, even if it does have a 0.01% of killing you, or whatever low percent is being used for long term effects, do those young people not have parents, grand parents who might be in at risk groups. Does everyone they interact with all happen to be in the same low risk group?

Also, if we want to be realistic. Climate change has a very low percentage of causing the deaths of the older generations in our society, yet, young people (and I agree with them) say older people should take action (the whole ok boomer sh1t etc). So, using same arguments, older people should go on and continue fcuking the planet up as the chances of it killing them are low. Young people don't give a sh1t about them dying of covid, so why should they care that the planet they're leaving is going to be sh1t.

All generations have a responsibility to society imo.