Dublin home of 1916 Rising leader demolished

Topgear on Dave

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

It would be a crime for the developer not to rebuild exactly what he flattened.

In other words, a derelict eyesore.

breezy1985

whisky_galore wrote: »

I don't know which is worse; DCC waking up far too late or a cute hoor of a developer.

He was given permission from an bord pleanala and I don't think he has done anything unlawful.

I also don't think we need to save every house that a rising leader lived in for a few years

whisky_galore

breezy1985 wrote: »

He was given permission from an bord pleanala and I don't think he has done anything unlawful.

I also don't think we need to save every house that a rising leader lived in for a few years

He knew full well what DCC were going to do and he pulled a stroke.

breezy1985

whisky_galore wrote: »

He knew full well what DCC were going to do and he pulled a stroke.

If it was still lawful I don't blame him. All this sudden political nonsense over a house that no one wanted all because The lived there for 6years

whisky_galore

whisky_galore wrote: »

He knew full well what DCC were going to do and he pulled a stroke.

If the building was so important, why wait 100 years to attempt to preserve it?

end of the road

breezy1985 wrote: »

If it was still lawful I don't blame him. All this sudden political nonsense over a house that no one wanted all because The lived there for 6years

well you need to blame him.
we cannot have the likes of him trying to get around the various processes in place to deal with such matters, and the council have an obligation to get this individual in any way they can to send a message to others thinking of pulling similar strokes.
trying to get around the process = knowing the council would appeal the decision and demolishing the house at dawn so as to not be caught.

breezy1985

end of the road wrote: »

well you need to blame him.
we cannot have the likes of him trying to get around the various processes in place to deal with such matters, and the council have an obligation to get this individual in any way they can to send a message to others thinking of pulling similar strokes.
trying to get around the process = knowing the council would appeal the decision and demolishing the house at dawn so as to not be caught.

What did he do that was illegal? The council had a long time to object before this suddenly
became a political cause.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

If the building was so important, why wait 100 years to attempt to preserve it?

It may be something to do with the multistorey block of apartments the locals don't want built.

(While acknowledging the gravity of the housing crisis)

Topgear on Dave

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

It may be something to do with the multistorey block of apartments the locals don't want built.

(While acknowledging the gravity of the housing crisis)

Good old NIMBYism.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Good old NIMBYism.

Lower the value of their property and attract the wrong types into the area.

Not everybody can live within the m50 just because they work there, better to make them drive in from Mullingar.

end of the road

breezy1985 wrote: »

What did he do that was illegal? The council had a long time to object before this suddenly
became a political cause.

i never said what happened was illegal, it's certainly a dick move and is why i am on the council's side here.
because there is a process in place and that should be followed to the end. that was effectively prevented from happening here and that cannot be allowed, at any cost.
it's not about the building, it's preservation and the rights and wrongs of that, that's a side show for me.

Smiles35

Zebra3 wrote: »

The Bank of Ireland building on College Green should've been taken off them during the bailout.

That building should be moved. Reclaim that land. It's a horrible spot there as a predestrian.

Andrewf20

The notion of rebuilding it seems bizarre and a bit pointless to me.

breezy1985

Andrewf20 wrote: »

The notion of rebuilding it seems bizarre and a bit pointless to me.

If he did do something illegal they should have a more inventive punishment like make him hand over a bunch of the new flats he is gonna build.


And to preserve the memory of 1916 call them "The" apartments.

Edgware

end of the road wrote: »

well you need to blame him.
we cannot have the likes of him trying to get around the various processes in place to deal with such matters, and the council have an obligation to get this individual in any way they can to send a message to others thinking of pulling similar strokes.
trying to get around the process = knowing the council would appeal the decision and demolishing the house at dawn so as to not be caught.

Don't bother rebuilding. I think the developer should just tidy it up, put down a bit of tarmac and offer it to Pavee Point as a suitable halting site. The objections to apartments would be withdrawn pronto.

Hamsterchops

Deleted User wrote: »

If the building was so important, why wait 100 years to attempt to preserve it?

My point exactly in #101.
Make it a listed building, after it is knocked down.

StackSteevens

Hamsterchops wrote: »

My point exactly in #101.
Make it a listed building, after it is knocked down.

Something which I suspect the Councillors will very soon discover that they hadn't got the legal power to do. But they got the favourable headlines in the media, so all is well.

Feisar

Nexytus wrote: »

An interesting character The O'Rahilly. Possibly his greatest achievement was getting people to use his name in the The_______ format.

An interesting one. The “the” goes back to the O’Neill dynasty, may have been used elsewhere as well. The clan chief would have been referred to as The O’Neill. O’Rahilly must have had some opinion of himself.
Hahaha just googled him, another clown who adopted the O his ancestors gave up!

breezy1985

Feisar wrote: »

An interesting one. The “the” goes back to the O’Neill dynasty, may have been used elsewhere as well. The clan chief would have been referred to as The O’Neill. O’Rahilly must have had some opinion of himself.
Hahaha just googled him, another clown who adopted the O his ancestors gave up!

I feel this has a fair bit with why the Dubs are suddenly mad about him. Given their odd notions about being silver tongued street poets

Hotblack Desiato

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It was a private house, and I bet the heirs wanted it sold rather than having to maintain that wreck of a thing.

They sold it a very long time ago. Their input into what happened to it ended when their ancestors cashed out.

Sick of the sense of entitlement off the self-important "1916 royalty" who think due to an accident of birth they have the right to dictate how the event is commemorated etc. - and now even what is built or not built in our city.

ILoveYourVibes

Steve012 wrote: »

They don't give a flying fck about our heritage .. Just once they can throw up way overprices rabbit hutches. Apartments seem to be like weeds on the southside, just popping up everywhere, there is spare land. Way Anchors.

They use it to put us in our place and control us.

Learn Irish ...respect the state ..don't question things

But when it comes to ACTUALLY caring no they dont

CathalDublin

Well it’s great to see the construction firm ordered to pay €3000 to charity, that’ll teach them

https://jrnl.ie/5927409

The size of that fine beggers belief! **** me they must be laughing.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119908124#Comment_119908124

Unclear what the "non-compliance" was. Sound very much like permission to knock it down was granted and this is all they could scrape from the bottom of the barrel.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119908124#Comment_119908124

Chicken feed. Just goes to show the utter disregard for heritage in this country.

Gombeen developers would knock Newgrange given half a chance.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119908124#Comment_119908124

Utter waste of time, considering the county council knew what going to happen in the first place

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119911070#Comment_119911070

not really, if they can get them on something and get some money out of them its better then nothing.

everyone knows they were not compliant on something.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119911089#Comment_119911089

"Everyone knows they were non compliant on something "

Did they are are you assuming that you thought they weren't compliant on something

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119911309#Comment_119911309

they do yes thanks to the outcome.

Quackster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119910720#Comment_119910720

I fail to see the heritage value here. Hopefully it'll be replaced with substantially higher density housing.

Hotblack Desiato

Exactly. No heritage value and they actually had permission from the council to demolish it.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119912175#Comment_119912175

Exactly the issue only arose when certain councilors voted to make it a historical structure,

After planning permission was granted

xxxxxxl

Did they actually live there full time during the rising ? if not it's a place someone once stayed in. What next famous hotels listed cos some person stayed there ?

Hotblack Desiato

You can almost visualise the brown plaques now

"Padraig* Pearse once took a sh1t into this toilet, 1912"

• He never called himself that except when writing his full name in Irish. In English he was Patrick H. Pearse or P. H. Pearse

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119915554#Comment_119915554

Like his car used to build Croke park, despite croke part being older the rising

conorhal

Ah yes, welcome to the new Ireland, the land where REITS shysters do as they please, beggaring a populace that claps like moronic seals while builders bulldoze their neglected history to throw up battery hen cages for them to rent at exorbitant prices.

Truly we deserve what we get in this country.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119915946#Comment_119915946

But the point was it his residence at the time or where he once stayed ? As if it's somewhere he stayed they you probably will have half the countries old houses were someone sometime stayed or owned.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119918265#Comment_119918265

He supposedly lived there for 5 years or so .

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119918272#Comment_119918272

So are all his gaffs listed ?