Amazed by people buying new oil burners right now

Gumbo

RandomViewer wrote: »

Shower runs for 10-15 minutes, car will be charging for 6-8 hours, it's going to work out more expensive than petrol and diesel when you add the extra cost new and the three grand a year electric bills

10-15 mins per person.
5 in my house.

Car runs at 7kw by choice. I charge it once a week. I can reduce that to 3.6kw if i wanted to.

9c a kwh means i fill my car (85*.9=€7.65).
There is no world that is more epensive to run than an ICE, and ive had many cars, most likely more than you if you'd for any reason had followed my motoring career.

Gumbo

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

This forum is some craic.

Came in and gave a very reasoned post of I think 8 points as to why I think people may be slow to move.
I also think new cars should nearly all be EV

Since that post I've seen EV users argue that you're grand doing 80 up the motorway, sure who wants to get there today and now this.

Seems everything about diesel is bad.

Of course I'd leave a child in a car running in her car seat. Not going to go up in flames is it!! Christ almighty.

You asked if the other poster had no seat?
So you opened that door in fairness.

Wildly Boaring

Gumbo wrote: »

You asked if the other poster had no seat?
So you opened that door in fairness.

Ok
It's probably one we could all let go

graememk

Deleted User wrote: »

My point exactly. Is electric that much more eco friendly than diesel or petrol?

In short Yes. ICE engines are about 20-35% efficient, gas power plants are about 56-60%, - even coal plants are more efficient than ICE engines!

Right now its 5% coal, 45% gas, 34% renewables, 6% import and 8% other.
http://smartgriddashboard.eirgrid.com/#all

Overnight it swings way more into the renewables.

I have an EV, Also we have a Diesel Pickup,

I bought the ev as its cheap to run and wasn't much more expensive than what else we were looking at. Not to be "green"

Its a lovely car to drive, and thats coming from an automatic before so was used to 1 foot driving.

cnocbui

Black_Knight wrote: »

Is this thread about being environmental or that petrol/diesel cars make less and less sense to buy now?

I'd like to be better for the environment, but my decision to go EV was based on a few things. Cheaper to run. Wasn't doing the mileage for my old diesel. Not having to run the car in the driveway in the morning to defrost the car, with my daughter running around at exhaust height. That's about as environmental as I thought.

Ireland also provides lots of wind energy, and at night, when cars are mostly charging.

The running costs of EV's can be less, but the ownership costs are not, factoring in the far higher purchase price.

I have never once left my car running in the driveway to defrost. If there is frost on the windscreen and windows, I pour room temperature water over them, jump in, start the car and drive off. Plenty of cold windless nights in this country. The CSO figures for 2017 are that 30% of electricity production was from renewables.

BrianD3

Lots of posters on boards deride other people's choice of car with depreciation being a common source of sneering. Sometimes the criticism is justified but the one certainty with depreciation is that new cars (apart from possibly a very small number of rare exotics) depreciate and in general, the more you spend, the more you lose. EVs are still expensive so there is high scope for depreciation.

We don't know what the future holds in terms of battery and other technology, government policy, taxation etc. If you spend 18k on a 2020 ICE Clio or 28k on a 2020 Zoe, which will have depreciated more in 5 years time. Anyone who confidently states that it will be the Clio is quite foolish. Both could be worth f*ck all but you paid 28k for one and 18k for the other.

There's no doubt that EVs are currently much cheaper to run day to day but if you don't use a lot of fuel you're saving a large percentage of a small number. People who live in cities and do small miles who want to save money should probably be buying petrol Dacia Sanderos, not Renault Zoes.

Most people don't actually give a crap about the environment or air pollution, It's all about:

• money.
• consumerism, buying stuff you want not what you need.
• pretending to care about the environment for trendy image reasons.
• if you work in the green energy sector, using marketing to separate others from their money, taking advantage of people's financial illiteracy and of market distorting initiatives such as government grants.

Personally, I was driving 60k kms per year for many years until very recently. An EV with sufficient range would have saved me a lot in day to day costs. Just as they are becoming available, my personal circumstances have changed and I'll probably be doing less than 5k now so buying an EV is no longer something that I am currently considering.

cnocbui

Gumbo wrote: »

they are now equipped with a low speed noise. If you cant hear it, then you probably have earphones on.

If the EV's were noticeable, then the same argument for cyclists to be more noticeable too applies but lets not go down that rabbit hole.

Would you like me to point you to the Tesla model 3 thread where the owners or prospective owners are talking about having disconnected those systems or intending to?

Turbohymac

Electric will only be a viable option in another 10years time..as previous poster highlighted the 40k electric cars being bought today could be worthless in 8/ to/10 years..also who knows how public and private ev charging costs will escalate..and finally the current lack of a decent range of ev vehicles..
Lots done but a hell of a lot more to go.
Raising tax on diesels wont sway me to purchase grossly overpriced ev

graememk

kippy wrote: »

The newest car I've ever bought would have been five years old. And that worked out at less than 13K.

Id start Looking in 2025/26 as the amount and choice on the market is going to jump!

MadYaker

Not sure whats amazing about it. EVs need to get cheaper, the ranges need to get better, charging times need to get shorter and more charging stations need to be available. If every city had as many charging stations as LA has for Teslas then it would probably be an option for a lot more people but we are way off that in this country.

Gumbo

cnocbui wrote: »

Would you like me to point you to the Tesla model 3 thread where the owners or prospective owners are talking about having disconnecting those systems or intending to?

Would you like me to point you to the cycling thread where the owners or prospective owners are talking about no lights, black clothing, weaving in and put of traffic and using roads where perfectly good cycle lanes exist.......

Works both ways.

beauf

We regularly carry 5 sometimes 6 or 7 in the car. Affordable options in EV are extremely limited. Diesel still makes sense in that space. We also have a low mileage second car. Makes no sense to buy an expensive EV for that either. I might pick up a older EV for that, as rarely go far or with full load in that car. Really hate the look of the leafs though. They are fugly. But even then a cheap petrol would probably be as cost effective if you look at the cost to buy.

I think people are under estimating all the benefits of an EV though. If I was minted If have switched long ago.

RandomViewer

Gumbo wrote: »

10-15 mins per person.
5 in my house.

Car runs at 7kw by choice. I charge it once a week. I can reduce that to 3.6kw if i wanted to.

9c a kwh means i fill my car (85*.9=€7.65).
There is no world that is more epensive to run than an ICE, and ive had many cars, most likely more than you if you'd for any reason had followed my motoring career.

It's not 9c a Kw, that's before VAT , ground rent and PSO levies add in the 15 - 20 grand premium over the ICE version and one charge a week seems very unlikely,

Gumbo

beauf wrote: »

We regularly carry 5 sometimes 6 or 7 in the car. Affordable options in EV are extremely limited. Diesel still makes sense in that space. We also have a low mileage second car. Makes no sense to buy an expensive EV for that either. I might pick up a older EV for that, as rarely go far or with full load in that car. Really hate the look of the leafs though. They are fugly. But even then a cheap petrol would probably be as cost effective if you look at the cost to buy.

I think people are under estimating all the benefits of an EV though. If I was minted If have switched long ago.

No need to be minted....
I bought a 2014 Leaf for 7750 a few years back!
Although i sold that for 11k 2 years later.

Just have to keep an eye out for deals....

Gumbo

RandomViewer wrote: »

It's not 9c a Kw, that's before VAT , ground rent and PSO levies add in the 15 - 20 grand premium over the ICE version and one charge a week seems very unlikely,

Its 9c including VAT for night rate meters.
Homework needs to be done by some..........

One charge a week does me.....I've an 85 kwh battery in mine.

graememk

Gumbo wrote: »

Its 9c including VAT for night rate meters.
Homework needs to be done by some..........

One charge a week does me.....I've an 85 kwh battery in mine.

whens your contract up... energia are at 6.8c inc vat...

Ger Roe

Improve the public transport system and a lot of the electric v fossil practical arguments will disappear.

I work 15k from home and I drive to work in about 20 minutes. If I was to use public transport, I would have to take a bus that goes on so much of a magical mystery tour to get to where I want to go, that it takes an hour plus. That requires a very early start in the mornings, to spend life wasting time on a bus. This is despite the fact that I live in a semi rural area and I work in the terminus town (main destination) for all of the transport services.

The bus will also take me to a DART station for possible onward connection to my work location, but it usually arrives after the most convenient DART has left and so would add another 30 mins on to the journey. It's easier and cheaper (but still time wasting) to stay on the bus and continue with the tour.

I am in the process of buying a second car as I have a child in secondary school located 15 minutes drive away, that takes an hour to reach on the two buses required to get there on public transport. There was another family member car available to do the school run, but that person is now relocating for work purposes.

I would readily give up the car for the limited amount of distance coverage that I have to do, but the public transport options are not viable, if you want to have an acceptable quality of life and work/home balance. If public transport worked, I wouldn't need either car.

MadYaker

Ger Roe wrote: »

Improve the public transport system and a lot of the electric v fossil practical arguments will disappear.

I work 15k from home and I drive to work in about 20 minutes. If I was to use public transport, I would have to take a bus that goes on so much of a magical mystery tour to get to where I want to go, that it takes an hour plus. That requires a very early start in the mornings, to spend life wasting time on a bus. This is despite the fact that I live in a semi rural area and I work in the terminus town (main destination) for all of the transport services.

The bus will also take me to a DART station for possible onward connection to my work location, but it usually arrives after the most convenient DART has left and so would add another 30 mins on to the journey. It's easier and cheaper (but still time wasting) to stay on the bus and continue with the tour.

I am in the process of buying a second car as I have a child in secondary school located 15 minutes drive away, that takes an hour to reach on the two buses required to get there on public transport. There was another family member car available to do the school run, but that person is now relocating for work purposes.

I would readily give up the car for the limited amount of distance coverage that I have to do, but the public transport options are not viable, if you want to have an acceptable quality of life and work/home balance. If public transport worked, I wouldn't need either car.

Most of rural and semi rural Ireland will never have a functioning transport system because the population is just too spread out. People are still lining country roads in the middle of nowhere with massive houses. It would require a ridiculous amount of gov subsidisation.

antodeco

punisher5112 wrote: »

Motor tax, €100 on top of €180 or €200 chape tax won't cause much fuss.

Unless you can't afford to change cars and already own a Diesel so you end up paying more for a car that you can't afford to change

Black_Knight

beauf wrote: »

We regularly carry 5 sometimes 6 or 7 in the car. Affordable options in EV are extremely limited. Diesel still makes sense in that space.

Yup. Your entirely correct. EVs haven't broken into that space yet, but for good reason. Big car = big battery pack = higher price. My guess is there hoping battery tech will advance in the coming years and battery prices will reduce, such that they can produce an affordable MPV with decent range. They're only starting to come out with family sized SUVs so it's a while away yet. Barely a saloon to be seen either. I think vw have some loose plans floating around about what they want to release over the next 5+ years on their ID range.

Ger Roe

MadYaker wrote: »

Most of rural and semi rural Ireland will never have a functioning transport system because the population is just too spread out. People are still lining country roads in the middle of nowhere with massive houses. It would require a ridiculous amount of gov subsidisation.

I'm in North East Wicklow, just south of Bray. The areas I am describing comprise of some of the most populated and quickly developing townlands in the country - Newtownmountkennedy, Kilcoole, Delgany Greystones. The lack of joined up thinking in public transport options serving these areas, is simply astounding and results in far more vehicles on the road that there should be - also added expense and environmental damage.

Car is king, but only because of bad planning. Fossil fuel vehicles are the only affordable options, in the short term. Most people are only thinking short term, because there is no evidence of long term strategies from our various social and environmental planners.

beauf

Gumbo wrote: »

No need to be minted....
I bought a 2014 Leaf for 7750 a few years back!
Although i sold that for 11k 2 years later.

Just have to keep an eye out for deals....

I just don't like the leaf. Also that was unique time in the ev market. Not likely to be repeated.

Melanchthon

Not sure if it has been mentioned yet but car automation/self driving is going to be a common thing pretty soon.

Buying an EV now with its higher buy in prices than petrol and more likelyhood for significant devaluation due to lacking those features would be is an issue isn't it?

Heres Johnny

Things that annoy be about threads like this is blanket statements and people assuming everyone has the same wants and needs. I'd love to have an electric if it suited me. Cost not the problem, nor charging, but range. For others it's cost and charging facilities, or 1 of the 2.

I did 2 work trips last week from kildare to North antrim and to Limerick. The North antrim trip was not in range of anything out there at the moment and Limerick possibly just about. I don't incur the cost of fossil fuel for the company for the sake of it. Our engineers and sales reps cover 50k kms a year and more, no option there for them.

Reminds me of our work accountants blanket statement that working from home doesn't work and recommending we get everyone back into the office, the guy doesn't even use email. Some jobs work very well, others don't. Like electric vehicles work well for some, not for others.

I'd be in a 530e PHEV tomorrow if vat was reclaimable on petrol and I could get a fuel card.
I'd be in an eV if there was anything up to standard of car I drive now and could do 600 kms.

eagerv

Just a few points re EV driving from my perspective, I'm too lazy to go back and multi quote others.


We started with an second hand Ioniq 28kWh as a second car, to see if EV driving would work for us without too much compromise. They are probably the most efficient EV on the market atm, not exciting, but well equipped.



Performance similar enough to the average ICE, but a lot quicker on acceleration at lower speeds. And a lot smoother to drive. And even charging the small battery on slow chargers works well with little inconvenience.


Worked great for us, so much so that between the two of us, has been used for almost all our driving over the last 6 months. We are rural, but Ioniq perfect for most of our driving.



I have recently changed my own ICE for an ID.3, really love it. So effortless to drive and according to a well known YouTuber sub 7 second 0-100km. All for the price of a base Golf Diesel Auto. (120 hp/204)



Fully aware that EVs do not work for everyone but I reckon for a large percentage of the population they do.



I often cycle to work, noise(Or lack of it) is not a problem with EVs. You hear the tyre roar on any car long before you hear the engine. (And petrol cars are now often nearly as quiet as EVs at slow speeds.) At very slow speeds EVs can be a problem, but the synthetic noise should solve that problem.


We are certainly no greenies, but I do hate the stink and coughing, as a slight Asthma sufferer, when overtaken when cycling by a usually older diesel and vans. I often wonder how they pass their NCT.


We are paying I think 7.4cent incl VAT/kWh for our night rate electricity, others got cheaper. I think we were done..:). That gives us about 8km per unit. Almost all our charging is at the night rate.


Perhaps we are lucky, both having jobs in these uncertain times. But the two most important things for us are total cost of ownership and driving pleasure.


The only advice I could give someone who is considering buying an EV, is to test the water first with a second hand car with reasonable range such as the Ioniq. You may be surprised, as we were.

beauf

Interesting interview with high mileage commercial use...

https://youtu.be/VeRTTXpsuT0

irishgeo

Melanchthon wrote: »

Not sure if it has been mentioned yet but car automation/self driving is going to be a common thing pretty soon.

Buying an EV now with its higher buy in prices than petrol and more likelyhood for significant devaluation due to lacking those features would be is an issue isn't it?

Its years off been approved anywhere in Europe.

Black_Knight

irishgeo wrote: »

Its years off been approved anywhere in Europe.

It's yonks away from existing yet. Motorway maybe, but that's no good to anybody.

Limpy

Good paddy will drive an EV while NYC Yanks will drive grand Cherokees etc. Yea sure we'll be doing our bit. No thanks Greta boil your head.

Gumbo

Melanchthon wrote: »

Not sure if it has been mentioned yet but car automation/self driving is going to be a common thing pretty soon.

Buying an EV now with its higher buy in prices than petrol and more likelyhood for significant devaluation due to lacking those features would be is an issue isn't it?

Self driving is a long way off. May even be beyond the current crop of Tesla's on the Road, and they are considered the daddies of elf driving.

celtic_oz

When the average Joe realises that

Electric cars are already cheaper to own and run.

that

Yes, Electric Cars Are Cleaner, Even When The Power Comes From Coal

the depreciation on oil burners (ICE) will be MASSIVE, buying a NEW oil burner now could be one of the biggest financial mistakes a person can make.

irishgeo

celtic_oz wrote: »

When the average Joe realises that

Electric cars are already cheaper to own and run.

that

Yes, Electric Cars Are Cleaner, Even When The Power Comes From Coal

the depreciation on oil burners (ICE) will be MASSIVE, buying a NEW oil burner now could be one of the biggest financial mistakes a person can make.

if you run a car until at literally falls apart depreciation wont matter too you. Still reckon diesel cars will be worth something as people in rural ireland wont be as quick to switch over as people think.

Widdensushi

celtic_oz wrote: »

When the average Joe realises that

Electric cars are already cheaper to own and run.

that

Yes, Electric Cars Are Cleaner, Even When The Power Comes From Coal

the depreciation on oil burners (ICE) will be MASSIVE, buying a NEW oil burner now could be one of the biggest financial mistakes a person can make.

Rubbish, if everyone changed to ev what would happen? Nothing because the infrastructure is not there

Silent Running

Ok I've been out in the real world for a while, so I just skimmed through the few pages since I was here this morning.

The usual with threads like this is the old "milk float" type arguments, but I see that cost is a big barrier for some. I'll address that, if I may. Last year I paid €38.5K for my car, after the government incentives were taken off. The grant and VRT reduction are genuine causes of concern, and I don't agree with them. They're just distorting the market and helping manufacturers pay for their R & D. However, I'm not going to refuse them.

So the cost to me is €38.5K. There's a lot of comment that the cars are too expensive. To me, you get what you pay for. There are loads cars far more expensive than €38.5K, there are loads of cars under that figure. But for my money I got a 204BHP automatic, with leather, adaptive cruise control, lane follow, auto emergency braking, heated seats and steering wheel, reverse camera, parking sensors, auto lights and wipers, voice commands and loads of other stuff , all packaged in a full 5 seat compact SUV.

Now that's all well and good, but the car costs €120 per year to tax, €340 per year full comprehensive insurance and reduced tolls. Free servicing came in the cost of the car. But the big prize for me is the sub €0.01 per km running cost. Anyone care to link me to a better value car that can cover ALL of those bases?

Early next year my car will probably have a new owner who'll get the car at a great reduction, and will probably sell it on after a few years for a lot less again. This is normal for the life and cost of any car. The trouble is that EVs are mostly too new to be on their third or subsequent owners. The second hand cost will drop as the years go by.

If you don't mind, I'll skip the FUD about all our electricity generated by burning coal, or tyres or whatever. That just shows lack of knowledge, and our generation stats are available for all to see.

The other point that EVs aren't for everyone. I couldn't agree more! But the field is widening. Tesla have had 7 seater Model S cars for years. VW group is in the process of bringing out a range of cars on the MEB platform that will cover many bases. Still they will not serve everyone, and will take years to filter down the second hand stream. Outlier cases will still exist for many years. We will have to find a way to deal with them, but continuing mass diesel use just isn't a good plan.

illumin

illumin wrote: »

If you live in rural Ireland, not near any sort of public transport... I'm afraid it makes sense to a lot of people.

I live in Rural Ireland, ok 7 km from Carlow Town but in the sticks with no Public transport and I drive to and from work around 150 kms on EV only.

irishgeo

irishgeo wrote: »

The electrical vehicle tech is changing so fast now. You could be left with a worthless electric vehicle too. That no-one wants to buy.

I'm afraid if you think tech is going to slow down in electric cars any time in the future you are mistaking. Now that cars are essentially computers on wheels even the most up to date EV is old in 3 years and will remain this way in the long term as technology developments increasingly develop.

However, cost and battery life are the main issues along with the charging infrastructure, Battery life is pretty much a non issue in the current gen electrics. Charging infrastructure remains a big issue.

I think 2nd hand electric cars will still be quite valuable despite technological advancements as they prove that they are very reliable more People will choose to buy 2nd hand as they do today I see no reason why someone would choose not to buy a 2nd hand EV just because there are new cars with better tech.

Hurrache

Gumbo wrote: »

Nonsense argument by the ill informed.
You charge over night for the day ahead. You shouldn’t be relying on public charge points. They don’t need to be on every street corner.

Major routes around Ireland to facilitate cross country driving is fine.

Silly argument saying you need to fill a battery in 5 mins is just nonsense.

It's not nonsense, it's what people want, regardless of the technology actually existing.

beauf

Hurrache wrote: »

It's not nonsense, it's what people want, regardless of the technology actually existing.

It's no different to a mobile phone. People got used to that.

irishgeo

irishgeo wrote: »

If the technology is so great why are they releasing new cars with better range. What's the range difference between the original leaf and a new one.

A diesel car is still cheaper and easier to run than a electric car over it lifetime. Until you can charge an electric car at a charging point in the same time it takes to fill a diesel tank. And the same amount of charging points as petrol stations exist now people won't change.

People don't want to plan their journeys with a 1hr break to charge up.

You're beating your head off a wall here saying this, the die hard EV fans just can't get it into their heads that a lot of People think of a car as a thing that is useful to get from A to B and they might not see it as a tech toy that they want to spend hours playing with day in and day out and will have no issue sitting for 40 mins or longer if the battery is cold. A lot of People just want to get in the car and drive and if they run low on fuel they know a refill is not far away in every single town in Ireland with plenty of pumps to choose and fill up in 5 mins flat. I drive EV but charging can get irritating then add to this a single charger that could be in use for 50 mins or a queue.

It's going to take a long time and Government pressure to get the masses to change to EV along with substantial cost reductions.

beauf

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm afraid if you think tech is going to slow down in electric cars any time in the future you are mistaking. Now that cars are essentially computers on wheels even the most up to date EV is old in 3 years and will remain this way in the long term as technology developments increasingly develop.

However, cost and battery life are the main issues along with the charging infrastructure, Battery life is pretty much a non issue in the current gen electrics. Charging infrastructure remains a big issue.

I think 2nd hand electric cars will still be quite valuable despite technological advancements as they prove that they are very reliable more People will choose to buy 2nd hand as they do today I see no reason why someone would choose not to buy a 2nd hand EV just because there are new cars with better tech.

Personally I like the eUp! approach. No gadgets just basic traditional dials but still an EV just simple. Even Less stuff to break.

Hurrache

Hurrache wrote: »

It's not nonsense, it's what people want, regardless of the technology actually existing.

You're correct, it's what People want that matters.

I drive 150 odd Kms 5 days a week to work and back on electric only sometimes I might need some Petrol if I really trash it and I love it, costs me maybe 10 Euro's a week, maybe 12 if I include weekend driving so I drive 750-850 Kms a week on EV alone.

When I go on longer trips I have the generator in the i3 and I feel if this was in all electric cars then a lot more People would choose them because it eliminates the need for Public charging and issues with slow charging speeds at fast chargers when the battery is cold can add 20 mins alone to the charging time.

Perhaps in the future an EV with a fuel cell as the range extender, an ideal solution or just EV but give the buyer the option.

Hurrache

beauf wrote: »

It's no different to a mobile phone. People got used to that.

My phone can last near enough 2 days, or more usage depending, between charges, the technology evolved.

We seriously looked at going EV when we changed recently, but the reality was there were no family sized vehicles to match what we were changing, we ended up switching a diesel estate for a petrol estate. We often find ourselves, boot full, in random rural locations for our various leisure activities, and we'd often go from place to place over a weekend before returning home.

The charging infrastructure, technology and vehicles just don't suit our needs at the moment.

beauf

beauf wrote: »

Personally I like the eUp! approach. No gadgets just basic traditional dials but still an EV just simple. Even Less stuff to break.

Oh definitely, they really need to make non tech electric cars, no screens just get in and drive, all this tech in cars is both distracting, frustrating if it doesn't work as expected and complicated.

People struggle with automatic climate control ffs.

JPF82

If I was buying new, I'd be going electric. Ideal for most of my driving and we have a second car for longer runs. However, I have an 8 to 10 k budget and will probably never have a brand new car. At my budget, I would be unsure of remaining battery life etc. Maybe this is just my ignorance though. I'm open to correction.

irishgeo

I looked into an electric myself and i couldn't make it work with the prices for my car, my next car will be probably be an electric or hybrid one.

Covid could actually help the increase in purchase of electric cars as people commute less with working from home.

The tipping point is coming when tax etc will push a diesel car to be too costly to run compared to a electric car and prices of electric cars come down and the eclectic cars that are now capable of the range people need hit the 2nd hand market. covid i think has ruined any change of any increased incentives or scrappage schemes from the government.

Another 5 years could see the electric cars start to outsell ICE cars

beauf

Hurrache wrote: »

My phone can last near enough 2 days, or more usage depending, between charges, the technology evolved.

We seriously looked at going EV when we changed recently, but the reality was there were no family sized vehicles to match what we were changing, we ended up switching a diesel estate for a petrol estate. We often find ourselves, boot full, in random rural locations for our various leisure activities, and we'd often go from place to place over a weekend before returning home.

The charging infrastructure, technology and vehicles just don't suit our needs at the moment.

We used to have phones that lasted weeks.

beauf

Silent Running wrote: »

....Tesla have had 7 seater Model S cars for years. ....

What price is the 7 seat Tesla? :eek:

Gumbo

Widdensushi wrote: »

Rubbish, if everyone changed to ev what would happen? Nothing because the infrastructure is not there

You have no electricity in your house?

eagerv

irishgeo wrote: »

I looked into an electric myself and i couldn't make it work with the prices for my car, my next car will be probably be an electric or hybrid one.

Covid could actually help the increase in purchase of electric cars as people commute less with working from home.

The tipping point is coming when tax etc will push a diesel car to be too costly to run compared to a electric car and prices of electric cars come down and the eclectic cars that are now capable of the range people need hit the 2nd hand market. covid i think has ruined any change of any increased incentives or scrappage schemes from the government.

Another 5 years could see the electric cars start to outsell ICE cars

I think it may have the opposite effect, EVs often suit people who have a long commute. I know if my mileage was lower I would probably have an old quality gas guzzler.:)


An EV was already the best selling car in Ireland for September this year. I know figures are a bit distorted due to a large number on order, but I think Oct figures are also going to be interesting.

Silent Running

beauf wrote: »

What price is the 7 seat Tesla? :eek:

£30 to 40K In the UK, second hand. I don't remember seeing one for sale here, but cheap enough to bring one in.

I wouldn't buy one, they're a fricken huge car! Many posters on here have brought used Model S cars from the UK. One jammy bastard got one from Tesla for £21K, not a seven seater though. :P