Schools closed until February? (part 3)

wirelessdude01

Stateofyou wrote: »

And now there will be no testing or tracing of anyone. They had all year to figure out a better system and didn't; were they just hoping it would never come to this?
Fail to plan, plan to fail. Muppets.

Forsa are reporting that at the meeting today they were told that testing and tracing of school cases would continue. It will in me hole continue. Can you also.imahone the reaction online if that were to happen. Teachers getting special treatment and so on.

Stateofyou

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Forsa are reporting that at the meeting today they were told that testing and tracing of school cases would continue. It will in me hole continue. Can you also.imahone the reaction online if that were to happen. Teachers getting special treatment and so on.

Okaaaaay...where have they been and where are they claiming to be getting that info? Sounds like it's pulled from you know where.

khalessi

Notice education did not make it

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1346112575499546625


This is not about educating our children

ETA I take it back apparently Norma met with FORSA today

https://twitter.com/apike1/status/1346099001855238144

nullzero

Benimar wrote: »

Do you think kids should give up their summer holidays too? 5,6 and 7 year olds in school from March to December with only a break at Easter? Really?

Because that's exactly what I said.

Honestly though, shortened summer holidays are something that should be on the cards, even if teachers noses are put out of joint by it.
Some weeks off over the summer makes sense in order to give some time off but school time is required.

Kids lost from mid march to the end of the school year last year, and could lose 2 or 3 months this year, but yeah summer holidays are too important for kids who've been off for months already.

antgal23

nullzero wrote: »

If we have a 4-6 or even 8 week closure of schools, that time should be added on at the end of the scheduled school year into the summer months.

The remote learning idea in practice is useless and is no substitute for time spent in the classroom environment.

Before this Covid situation eases into something manageable there are children in this country who will have missed a massive chunk of their education as a result of closures.

Some joined up thinking should have been done on this before now and plan put in place (I know why would the government plan for anything?). Teachers holidays should be taken out the closure time, God knows they did precious little last year in terms of actual work during the initial lockdown.

Funny that, who do teachers with families teach during lockdown?

Icyseanfitz

khalessi wrote: »

Notice education did not make it

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1346112575499546625


This is not about educating our children

So our minister for education (and hiding) won't be at tomorrow's meeting deciding the short term future of education in a once in a lifetime emergency :pac: ah lads

Glebee

reading this thread sometimes I still cant figure out if people are worried about the kids or just want to get a dig at teachers

nullzero

antgal23 wrote: »

Funny that, who do teachers with families teach during lockdown?

What's the punchline?

Icyseanfitz

nullzero wrote: »

Because that's exactly what I said.

Honestly though, shortened summer holidays are something that should be on the cards, even if teachers noses are put out of joint by it.
Some weeks off over the summer makes sense in order to give some time off but school time is required.

Kids lost from mid march to the end of the school year last year, and could lose 2 or 3 months this year, but yeah summer holidays are too important for kids who've been off for months already.

So i expect youd be okay with teachera not doing a bit of remote work as long as schools are off so?

nullzero

Glebee wrote: »

reading this thread sometimes I still cant figure out if people are worried about the kids or just want to get a dig at teachers

I'm worried about my kids education.

Teachers seem to be worried about their generous holiday allocation being tampered with for the sake of educating their pupils.

antgal23

nullzero wrote: »

What's the punchline?

If you don't know the punchline you should back to finish school

nullzero

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

So i expect youd be okay with teachera not doing a bit of remote work as long as schools are off so?

You mean that bare minimum that was done during the first lockdown?

Whatever the workload was for teachers behind the scenes to prep the remote learning was, the time spent by children doing it didn't come anywhere close to comparing to time spent in the classroom environment.

lulublue22

Glebee wrote: »

reading this thread sometimes I still cant figure out if people are worried about the kids or just want to get a dig at teachers

It’s cyclical - expect the same digs re unions pay lazy teachers , extending hols not for educational concerns but as a way to stick it to the teachers over the next few days. Funny though questions re lack of contingency planning on behalf of the dep never seem to feature nor do questions around class size. 😉

nullzero

antgal23 wrote: »

If you don't know the punchline you should back to finish school

Do you mean I should GO back to finish school?

People in glass houses etc...

wirelessdude01

Stateofyou wrote: »

Okaaaaay...where have they been and where are they claiming to be getting that info? Sounds like it's pulled from you know where.

They met with health and education officials today as did all the education spokespersons for all the political parties.

the kelt

There is another aspect of this too.

I know of companies that are allergic to people working from home (I used to work for one and still have friends there)

We are all being told to work from home but this isn’t happening, there are companies forcing people into city centres to do jobs that could easily be done from home because their ethos and way of doing business sees working from home as something that can’t be trusted.

Only when the schools were closed did certain companies actually allow people work from home. Keeping schools open during a time of record breaking case numbers means an awful lot more people are not going to be staying at home than just teachers, students etc.

wirelessdude01

khalessi wrote: »

Notice education did not make it

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1346112575499546625


This is not about educating our children

ETA I take it back apparently Norma was there along with FORSA

https://twitter.com/apike1/status/1346099001855238144

The first meeting you mentioned is tomorrow. They always meet before new measures/restrictions are announced.

nullzero

lulublue22 wrote: »

It’s cyclical - expect the same digs re unions pay lazy teachers , extending hols not for educational concerns but as a way to stick it to the teachers over the next few days. Funny though questions re lack of contingency planning on behalf of the dep never seem to feature nor do questions around class size. 😉

Teachers aren't the root of the problem by any means.
But by the same token they should have some understanding of why parents are concerned about extended time off school for their children.

Teachers will be working long beyond this Covid crisis, our children only have one chance at receiving an education.

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

I'm worried about my kids education.

Teachers seem to be worried about their generous holiday allocation being tampered with for the sake of educating their pupils.

Teachers understand that students won't be able for long runs without breaks. I'd imagine a lot of families are planning a relatively normal summer with meeting family and friends (assuming that's possible) and maybe going on holidays. That being said I'll teach during the summer if schools are closed with no online/blended learning.

nullzero

the kelt wrote: »

There is another aspect of this too.

I know of companies that are allergic to people working from home (I used to work for one and still have friends there)

We are all being told to work from home but this isn’t happening, there are companies forcing people into city centres to do jobs that could easily be done from home because their ethos and way of doing business sees working from home as something that can’t be trusted.

Only when the schools were closed did certain companies actually allow people work from home. Keeping schools open during a time of record breaking case numbers means an awful lot more people are not going to be staying at home than just teachers, students etc.

Those companies are going against government guidelines. Those who can work from home should have been doing so since last March.

wirelessdude01

nullzero wrote: »

Teachers aren't the root of the problem by any means.
But by the same token they should have some understanding of why parents are concerned about extended time off school for their children.

Teachers will be working long beyond this Covid crisis, our children only have one chance at receiving an education.

What ages are your kids?

Also many teachers are or have been parents so actually have a better idea of what is required when it comes to education.

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

Teachers aren't the root of the problem by any means.
But by the same token they should have some understanding of why parents are concerned about extended time off school for their children.

Teachers will be working long beyond this Covid crisis, our children only have one chance at receiving an education.

A lot of teachers are parents. We are of course worried about educational outcomes.

nullzero

History Queen wrote: »

Teachers understand that students won't be able for long runs without breaks. I'd imagine a lot of families are planning a relatively normal summer with meeting family and friends (assuming that's possible) and maybe going on holidays. That being said I'll teach during the summer if schools are closed with no online/blended learning.

If families are planning normal summers then there is something wrong with them. As for going on holidays, I won't even dignify that with a response.

nullzero

History Queen wrote: »

A lot of teachers are parents. We are of course worried about educational outcomes.

Does losing out on summer holidays mean more than educating children?

St.Spodo

nullzero wrote: »

If families are planning normal summers then there is something wrong with them. As for going on holidays, I won't even dignify that with a response.

I think there is every chance that families will be able to have at least as normal a summer as last year.

wirelessdude01

nullzero wrote: »

If families are planning normal summers then there is something wrong with them. As for going on holidays, I won't even dignify that with a response.

Something wrong with trying to look forward to the future? Definitely something wrong when people want to create memories with their families.

nullzero

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

What ages are your kids?

Also many teachers are or have been parents so actually have a better idea of what is required when it comes to education.

What business are my kids ages of yours?

wirelessdude01

nullzero wrote: »

Does losing out on summer holidays mean more than educating children?

Again, what ages are your children?

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

If families are planning normal summers then there is something wrong with them. As for going on holidays, I won't even dignify that with a response.

People need to have hope and people I have spoken to are all hoping to be able to meet people more this summer. Nothing wrong with being optimistic. Cases dropped a lot last summer and we've the vaccine being rolled out.

khalessi

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

The first meeting you mentioned is tomorrow. They always meet before new measures/restrictions are announced.

fixed it thanks

nullzero

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Something wrong with trying to look forward to the future? Definitely something wrong when people want to create memories with their families.

People were looking forward to going out on the p1ss in the lead up to Christmas and look where we are now.

Precious memories alright, of catching Covid needlessly.

JP100

nullzero wrote: »

I'm worried about my kids education.

Teachers seem to be worried about their generous holiday allocation being tampered with for the sake of educating their pupils.

Going by your posts in here, I think you're much more concerned with throwing cheap shots at teachers than anything else.

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

Does losing out on summer holidays mean more than educating children?

No. But knowing children the vast majority will not be able for that time without a break. I already said I'd work it if not working online.

wirelessdude01

nullzero wrote: »

What business are my kids ages of yours?

Want to work out what education you fear they are missing out on.

I have a kid in my class this year who for health reasons has missed out on approximately 2yrs of schooling so far. You wouldn't know it from them at all. Fully up to date with all their academics, good socially and we'll able.for the rough and tumble of both school and life.

the kelt

nullzero wrote: »

What business are my kids ages of yours?

You do realise not everyone had issues with the teaching their kids got when they were forced into home learning.

Are you more annoyed at the fact teachers may not be teaching in schools and will be at home?

mirrorwall14

I will happily work in the summer if we don’t have to go online. It was hell in fecking earth trying to do it while minding my own child and toddler at home. My husbands job wasn’t secure so the childminding was on me. And if I didn’t do the teaching and took parental leave there’d have been no qualified sub to even attempt to teach them (there’s none to be had around me) and the guilt would have been crippling for leaving them all and my exam classes in the lurch

The first day of lockdown I was desperately trying to get stuff up onto google classroom for students while the toddler climbed onto the kitchen chair for the first time. I’m never forget it. Sleep deprived, recording late into the night, work hours basically all day long, back up the stairs once the kids finally in bed, daily staff meetings in the garden on my hearing aid while watching the kids and trying to tire them out so I could work, emailing and replying to students all day on my phone..... genuinely I break out in a cold sweat. Thankfully he’s 9 months older now and a little easier minded but he was at the absolute worst age for it. We also have a childminder not creche this time around so currently she is happy to bubble with us if school closes so I can teach properly. It’s the only reason I’m not completely panicking to be honest

St.Spodo

The difference between Christmas and next August is that several million people will be vaccinated.

nullzero

History Queen wrote: »

No. But knowing children the vast majority will not be able for that time without a break. I already said I'd work it if not working online.

They'll be getting a break now.

When the school opened again in September last all the kids in my eldest's class were delighted to be back. They had a break, a bloody long one and they missed each other more than anything.

alroley

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Want to work out what education you fear they are missing out on.

I have a kid in my class this year who for health reasons has missed out on approximately 2yrs of schooling so far. You wouldn't know it from them at all. Fully up to date with all their academics, good socially and we'll able.for the rough and tumble of both school and life.

I have a child in my 3rd-year class that refused to go to school the majority of time from 4th - 6th class and missed out on a huge amount. They are doing well in secondary school and in higher-level maths.

wirelessdude01

nullzero wrote: »

They'll be getting a break now.

When the school opened again in September last all the kids in my eldest's class were delighted to be back. They had a break, a bloody long one and they missed each other more than anything.

Sounds that maybe you were perhaps happy to be able to send them back to school for reasons that perhaps weren't entirely educational?

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

They'll be getting a break now.

When the school opened again in September last all the kids in my eldest's class were delighted to be back. They had a break, a bloody long one and they missed each other more than anything.

I meant for example working from Feb through to June without midterms.

nullzero

JP100 wrote: »

Going by your posts in here, I think you're much more concerned with throwing cheap shots at teachers than anything else.

Playing to the gallery?

The blame lies with the department of education. Teachers aren't the problem. Although they seem mighty miffed at the prospect of missing out on their precious summer holidays.

I worked my ass off last year, up to the wee small hours regularly and didn't get to take my leave in any way that suited me and had a heap of days left at the end of the year that I couldn't carry over.
I'm not the only person I know who did that and you can imagine our opinions of teachers being upset about losing out on holidays.

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

Playing to the gallery?

The blame lies with the department of education. Teachers aren't the problem. Although they seem mighty miffed at the prospect of missing out on the prospect of missing out on their precious summer holidays.

I worked my ass off last year, up to the wee small hours regularly and didn't get to take my leave in any way that suited me and had a heap of days left at the end of the year that I couldn't carry over.
I'm not the only person I know who did that and you can imagine our opinions of teachers being upset about losing out on holidays.

Who is upset at loosing holidays?

Bananaleaf

nullzero wrote: »

I'm worried about my kids education.

Teachers seem to be worried about their generous holiday allocation being tampered with for the sake of educating their pupils.

Hi there. Do you mind showing me the post where this was said please? I must have missed it, I have been away from the thread the last couple of hours. I will look through the thread too, but if you have it to hand might be quicker.

Or was this something that was said elsewhere and if so, do you have a link to the comment?

Thanks

JP100

nullzero wrote: »

What business are my kids ages of yours?

It was a sincere question, no need for all the aggression.

khalessi

nullzero wrote: »

Playing to the gallery?

The blame lies with the department of education. Teachers aren't the problem. Although they seem mighty miffed at the prospect of missing out on the prospect of missing out on their precious summer holidays.

I worked my ass off last year, up to the wee small hours regularly and didn't get to take my leave in any way that suited me and had a heap of days left at the end of the year that I couldn't carry over.
I'm not the only person I know who did that and you can imagine our opinions of teachers being upset about losing out on holidays.

Yeah you are right, you are not the only person who worked their arse off. Teachers did too online, it harder and takes longer to prep correct.

nullzero

History Queen wrote: »

I meant for example working from Feb through to June without midterms.

I never said that. Breaks are required, but the time lost should be made up.

downthemiddle

nullzero wrote: »

Playing to the gallery?

The blame lies with the department of education. Teachers aren't the problem. Although they seem mighty miffed at the prospect of missing out on their precious summer holidays.

I worked my ass off last year, up to the wee small hours regularly and didn't get to take my leave in any way that suited me and had a heap of days left at the end of the year that I couldn't carry over.
I'm not the only person I know who did that and you can imagine our opinions of teachers being upset about losing out on holidays.

You seem a little upset at losing out on your holidays.

alroley

nullzero wrote: »

Playing to the gallery?

The blame lies with the department of education. Teachers aren't the problem. Although they seem mighty miffed at the prospect of missing out on their precious summer holidays.

I worked my ass off last year, up to the wee small hours regularly and didn't get to take my leave in any way that suited me and had a heap of days left at the end of the year that I couldn't carry over.
I'm not the only person I know who did that and you can imagine our opinions of teachers being upset about losing out on holidays.

I am a teacher and would happily trade June/July for Jan/Feb if that means schools will be safer.

nullzero

downthemiddle wrote: »

You seem a little upset at losing out on your holidays.

Not really to be honest, it's just a reality I and many others have had to deal with.