Schools closed until February? (part 3)

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

In that spirit, would you take your holidays now and work in the summer months instead?

For the third time. Yes

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

In that spirit, would you take your holidays now and work in the summer months instead?

For the third time. Yes

JustAThought

kippy wrote: »

Prepare for online delivery for two or three weeks.
As the kites flying in the article in the info suggests, government will have no choice in the matter.

Out my window Im watching hoardes of children from different families play closely together on their chirstmas toys with not an interruption or intervention from their families or parents all day. Social isolation my aras. Why should teachers put their lives and health at risk for deadbeat parents who don’t give a toss beyond their own convenience. Lock the schools and let ls start a system of reporting and fining the parents who refuse to comply. We’ll soon have the numbers under control again if people behaved. I’m not usually very sympathetic towards teachers but what is happening is riduculous - their lives and health have to matter too.

nullzero

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Now who is backseat modding?

You can come in here with all guns blazing and some rubbish about your holidays but when asked for evidence of what you state as fact you can't/won't provide it.

I've done nothing of the sort.

I've explained that I have no issue with my holiday situation which you refused to believe and you keep telling me as much. What have I to gain from talking to you? That isn't back seat modding, it's being polite and attempting to end a conversation that isn't going anywhere.

wirelessdude01

nullzero wrote: »

I've done nothing of the sort.

I've explained that I have no issue with my holiday situation which you refused to believe and you keep telling me as much. What have I to gain from talking to you? That isn't back seat modding, it's being polite and attempting to end a conversation that isn't going anywhere.

Why did you bring up your holidays so and your inability to carry them over? What relevance have they in a Covid and schools thread? Also dragged your colleagues into it as well.

nullzero

History Queen wrote: »

For the third time. Yes

Wonderful, so we're in agreement.

I received a lot of backlash in the beginning and I could have appropriated some posts incorrectly in relation to teachers holidays. If that is the case I humbly apologise, the thread has been moving quickly.

Icyseanfitz

vid36 wrote: »

Seems to be a mess. Irish Independent article indicating that plans are being drawn up to keep some schools open for frontline workers and children with disabilities.


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/ministers-no-longer-expect-schools-to-fully-reopen-on-january-11-39930326.html

A mess is right, frontline and essential worlers comsist of just about anything these days so id read that as school as normal

nullzero

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Why did you bring up your holidays so and your inability to carry them over? What relevance have they in a Covid and schools thread? Also dragged your colleagues into it as well.

It appeared that several posters weren't happy about the idea of losing the summer break.

I didn't "drag" my colleagues into anything.

As we're here, would you take your holidays now, forgo the remote learning stuff and work the summer holidays instead?

Leftwaffe

From a SAGE scientist:

Children aged 12-16 'seven times more likely to spread Covid' warns expert

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/children-aged-12-16-seven-23256804

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

It appeared that several posters weren't happy about the idea of losing the summer break.

I didn't "drag" my colleagues into anything.

As we're here, would you take your holidays now, forgo the remote learning stuff and work the summer holidays instead?

Not being happy about something isn't a refusal to do it though. You still haven't shown someone who refused?

wirelessdude01

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

A mess is right, frontline and essential worlers comsist of just about anything these days so id read that as school as normal

Love the use of the use of the term "some schools".

Do they mean like one school in a town is.open and then all the children that meet the criteria are packed into it? No pods and bubbles then.

nullzero

History Queen wrote: »

Not being happy about something isn't a refusal to do it though. You still haven't shown someone who refused?

Did I use the word "refused"?

Whiplash85

JustAThought wrote: »

Out my window Im watching hoardes of children from different families play closely together on their chirstmas toys with not an interruption or intervention from their families or parents all day. Social isolation my aras. Why should teachers put their lives and health at risk for deadbeat parents who don’t give a toss beyond their own convenience. Lock the schools and let ls start a system of reporting and fining the parents who refuse to comply. We’ll soon have the numbers under control again if people behaved. I’m not usually very sympathetic towards teachers but what is happening is riduculous - their lives and health have to matter too.

I think there have been a large cohort of people who have been unaffected really by the pandemic in terms of inconvenience to their own lives for a long time. That is until now. These same people have been clamouring for longer lockdowns and more punitive penalties for breaking restrictions because they realise the precarious situation of schools being open and closed and the ramifications this will have on their own lives. Of course these same people will demonise teachers and say they should work during the summer. Coming from a family of teachers they all would prefer to work in the classroom but it shouldn't be at a risk to their own personal health. It is simply not realistic for schools to be open at this level of infection in the community. A rate that is now one of the worst in Europe. My mother cares for my 90 year old grandmother. She has got this far in life without the virus taking her out at this stage. People forget as well that there is a whole ecosystem around schools being open that just doesn't start in the classroom.

Necro

nullzero wrote: »

If you say so.

Like I said, if you're not happy with my posts report them, you're getting into back seat modding territory now.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Says you who doesn't realise what they are typing. You really must have had a bad day.

Mod:

Can we quit the personal jibes and stay on topic please

downthemiddle

nullzero wrote: »

It appeared that several posters weren't happy about the idea of losing the summer break.

I didn't "drag" my colleagues into anything.

As we're here, would you take your holidays now, forgo the remote learning stuff and work the summer holidays instead?

You are obsessed with teachers' holidays. There will be considerable changes in the next six months. Let's see how things play out.

Queried

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

From a SAGE scientist:

Children aged 12-16 'seven times more likely to spread Covid' warns expert

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/children-aged-12-16-seven-23256804

At least half of my class fall into that age group and don't wear masks.

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

Did I use the word "refused"?

I give up.

nullzero

downthemiddle wrote: »

You are obsessed with teachers' holidays. There will be considerable changes in the next six months. Let's see how things play out.

No I'm not.

Teachers would appear to be obsessed with their holidays.

Any time I say I have no issue with teachers holidays I'm told I'm obsessed by them.

wirelessdude01

nullzero wrote: »

It appeared that several posters weren't happy about the idea of losing the summer break.

I didn't "drag" my colleagues into anything.

As we're here, would you take your holidays now, forgo the remote learning stuff and work the summer holidays instead?

I'll say no. I've been very open on this. Summer holidays are beneficial for both students and teachers.

nullzero

History Queen wrote: »

I give up.

I never said anyone refused to do anything.

You're asking me to to provide evidence of something I never said.

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

I never said anyone refused to do anything.

You're asking me to to provide evidence of something I never said.

Ya right

nullzero

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I'll say no. I've been very open on this. Summer holidays are beneficial for both students and teachers.

Even if the children have spent a good portion of the school year doing little or nothing?

Summer holidays are great in normal situations. This isn't a normal situation.

nullzero

History Queen wrote: »

Ya right

Quote me saying the word "refuse" then.

wirelessdude01

Queried wrote: »

At least half of my class fall into that age group and don't wear masks.

Same here. I have 3 thirteen year olds and 9 twelve year olds. The rest will be twelve before Paddy's Day.

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

Quote me saying the word "refuse" then.

No

downthemiddle

nullzero wrote: »

Any time I say I have no issue with teachers holidays

Sorry, I must have missed this bit. :rolleyes:

nullzero

History Queen wrote: »

No

Thanks for making my point for me.

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

Thanks for making my point for me.

I'd say the point I'm making is pretty clear

nullzero

downthemiddle wrote: »

Sorry, I must have missed this bit. :rolleyes:

Evidently.

Just to clarify, I have no issue with teachers holidays.

Necro

nullzero wrote: »

Thanks for making my point for me.

Mod:

Threadbanned

vid36

It seems we will have this drama play out for a few more days yet.

Stateofyou

nullzero wrote: »

Playing to the gallery?

The blame lies with the department of education. Teachers aren't the problem. Although they seem mighty miffed at the prospect of missing out on their precious summer holidays.

I worked my ass off last year, up to the wee small hours regularly and didn't get to take my leave in any way that suited me and had a heap of days left at the end of the year that I couldn't carry over.
I'm not the only person I know who did that and you can imagine our opinions of teachers being upset about losing out on holidays.

There it is, that's why you're so angry and begrudging towards the teachers here about summer holidays. It's easy to see. The teacher's lives and holidays are intertwined with student & family lives and their holidays so it's no use taking it out on teachers. Kids will miss each other, but we all have to make sacrifices now for all our best interests and that's the way it is. Luckily we have great technology these days in which our kids can video chat each other and also chit chat over video games. It's not forever.

St.Spodo

It just occurred to me that in the coming days, the government are going to have to explain how they ended up in a situation where they had to close the schools in order to compensate for opening the pubs against public health advice.

History Queen

vid36 wrote: »

It seems we will have this drama play out for a few more days yet.

Do you know, I'm just so bloody angry. The delay is because there is no plan B. Why? Because yet again the Dept are found wanting. I don't even blame the minister, the issues in the Dept are ingrained and years old. Mimisters come and ministers go yet the Dept remains the useless uncommunicative monolith that it has always been. It needs a complete reform.

Glebee

St.Spodo wrote: »

It just occurred to me that in the coming days, the government are going to have to explain how they ended up in a situation where they had to close the schools in order to compensate for opening the pubs against public health advice.

They will just blame the new virus strain.

vid36

Lack of a plan is a disgrace and the government also seem to be in denial.

C__MC

I'd happily take holidays right now and work it back in june

There is easter holidays and three bank holidays in there also to soften the blow

I'm sure another short mid term could be accommodated at some point

Whiplash85

St.Spodo wrote: »

It just occurred to me that in the coming days, the government are going to have to explain how they ended up in a situation where they had to close the schools in order to compensate for opening the pubs against public health advice.

I'm not sure just how hospitality played a part in the numbers we are seeing now. Overcrowded shopping centres could be just as much to blame. It is impossible to quantify simply because we dont have the mechanisms to do so. What is clear is that people and families were always going to mix and socialise over Christmas regardless and if hospitality was closed then this would have just moved the problem or opportunity to a different setting.

The way I see it is that with govt signalling intent to close down in January people adjusted their behaviour to make up for lost time and future lost time. This had a huge bearing on close contact numbers.

wirelessdude01

Has anyone got any idea what is causing the huge increase in numbers in Louth? They've shot up the incidence rate table in the past 10 days or so.

Ray Donovan

C__MC wrote: »

I'd happily take holidays right now and work it back in june

There is easter holidays and three bank holidays in there also to soften the blow

I'm sure another short mid term could be accommodated at some point

And should primary go all the way to end of July?

C__MC

Ray Donovan wrote: »

And should primary go all the way to end of July?

Nop call it quits in june

Redser87

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Has anyone got any idea what is causing the huge increase in numbers in Louth? They've shot up the incidence rate table in the past 10 days or so.

Border county... the new strain?

the kelt

Over 6000 cases today, nearly 800 people in hospital with the virus.

Projections now of 1500 to 2000 people being hospitalised by mid January and between 200 and 400 in icu and we have people on here annoyed about teachers possibly still getting holidays!

And then we have morons like Josepha Madigan saying schools will go back and “where’s Wally” Nora still bleating about schools being some form of ****in Narnia type place where normality takes leave of itself.

Schools are only as safe as the communities they’re in you plebs, stop playing politics with this as this affects people’s lives greatly.

This is going to put so many people out, enough of the games.

TheValeyard

Wonder we looking at full educational shutdown or will creche, primary stay open and secondary go online.

alroley

TheValeyard wrote: »

Wonder we looking at full educational shutdown or will creche, primary stay open and secondary go online.

I think the current situation is way too bad to leave anything open

jrosen

Reading between the lines I think nephet will recommend schools stay closed.

wirelessdude01

TheValeyard wrote: »

Wonder we looking at full educational shutdown or will creche, primary stay open and secondary go online.

I thought the above is what would happen but who knows now. NPHET still pushing the narrative that school testing rate is lower than the community rate so we could be looking at full return.

jadie

alroley wrote: »

I think the current situation is way too bad to leave anything open

And third level which is open but not being mentioned.

TheValeyard

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I thought the above is what would happen but who knows now. NPHET still pushing the narrative that school testing rate is lower than the community rate so we could be looking at full return.

If it is a return. It might be blended. 3rd and 6th in the building. 1st, 2nd, 5th, online. Teacher stays in building.

mirrorwall14

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I thought the above is what would happen but who knows now. NPHET still pushing the narrative that school testing rate is lower than the community rate so we could be looking at full return.

Yeah I could see them saying creche and primary open. And secondary online bar health care workers or something