Schools closed until February? (part 3)

Boggles

meeeeh wrote: »

I went off topic because I find it fascinating (and irrational) policy. It coincided with domestic violence comments because I actually didn't realise there are so many single sex primary schools in Ireland.

Considering you find it irrelevant you could just as well ignore my question. Unlike the other poster you provided a bit of bickering and nothing of value.

Well no you didn't, you claimed to go "off topic" but at the same wedge it into this situation as a mitigating factor.

Give people on here some credit FFS.

Blondini

blanch152 wrote: »

Thank you for this. Great to see some hard information to counteract the Facebook-type scaremongering.

"There are very few reports of widespread SARS-CoV-2 infection in early years settings and primary schools, especially when compared with other institutions such as hospitals, care homes, and prisons, and other workplace settings."

You can see from findings like that why the priority for vaccination is the way it is.

The external validity of that paper might be questioned by the Principal in Claremorris.

Methods and methodology were also questionable.

meeeeh

Boggles wrote: »

Well no you didn't, you claimed to go "off topic" but at the same wedge it into this situation as a mitigating factor.

Give people on here some credit FFS.

OK. No explanation I provide would be good enough for your paranoia so you are welcome to think whatever you want.

meeeeh

Blondini wrote: »

The external validity of that paper might be questioned by the Principal in Claremorris.

Methods and methodology were also questionable.

Well considering it wasn't a paper on infection spread in Claremorris it would be very weird if principal questioned it. The paper was on limited reopening in Spring in UK. Out of curiosity what are the questionable methods?

Boggles

meeeeh wrote: »

OK. No explanation I provide would be good enough for your paranoia so you are welcome to think whatever you want.

meeeeh wrote: »

As completely separate issue how is a single sex school with so few kids is allowed to be open? It's a complete waste of resources and not surprising they have issues with finding teachers.

A. Pretend to go off topic.

B. Blame the school.

C. Infer nonsensically it was the gender make of the students that prevented them from gettin substitute cover in, which is factually incorrect and just plain daft.

D. Label everyone paranoid when rumbled.

meeeeh

Boggles wrote: »

A. Pretend to go off topic.

B. Blame the school.

C. Infer nonsensically it was the gender make of the students that prevented them from gettin substitute cover in, which is factually incorrect and just plain daft.

D. Label everyone paranoid when rumbled.

That's quite entertaining. Do you have any more?

And btw not everyone just one person.

Boggles

meeeeh wrote: »

That's quite entertaining. Do you have any more?

And btw not everyone just one person.

Negative, I think I covered it all there.

UDAWINNER

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1338460190367227905


I have to agree with the parents, the principal thinks it is too high risk and they are following him.

km79

45 of the 125 pupils can not attend anyway for to Covid /close contacts etc
When you see that figure you can see why the people in that school are fearful

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Have a colleague with kids around primary school age in Claremorris. Not sure if they are in this school. Will ask if I am speaking to them today whats the story locally

Basic information I have been able to gather is:

Colleagues went to the school themselves, but sent his own kids to a school outside the town.
Up to about 16 cases in the school now.
Girls schools has issues also
Principals stance has broad support locally, however it is understood that the principal took the action with the full expectation that the department would push back, but felt he needed to do something.
Large outbreaks also at 2 large facilities in a town about about 12 miles away, where a significant number of parents of kids at the schools work, one of which had 200 employees out through positive tests or contact tracing at one stage.

votecounts

km79 wrote: »

45 of the 125 pupils can not attend anyway for to Covid /close contacts etc
When you see that figure you can see why the people in that school are fearful

I would be the same, why take the risk especially as a lot will have Christmas plans on their mind which may involve elderly and at risk relatives. The schools covid system needs to be looked at. N

Boggles

Where is Norma?

JimmyVik

Remember the graphic that nphet released for the guy who infected 50 odd people.
Any chance they can show us the graphic of their investigations into the outbreaks around Claremorris?
Not a chance in hell I would say.

km79

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Basic information I have been able to gather is:

Colleagues went to the school themselves, but sent his own kids to a school outside the town.
Up to about 16 cases in the school now.
Girls schools has issues also
Principals stance has broad support locally, however it is understood that the principal took the action with the full expectation that the department would push back, but felt he needed to do something.
Large outbreaks also at 2 large facilities in a town about about 12 miles away, where a significant number of parents of kids at the schools work, one of which had 200 employees out through positive tests or contact tracing at one stage.

Yes it is linked to large outbreaks in food factories the week before last
Made its way into the school
And now into other family homes just in time for Xmas sadly

khalessi

Makes for an interesting read

https://twitter.com/LouisWu1992/status/1338291362328940546

Dempo1

UDAWINNER wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1338460190367227905


I have to agree with the parents, the principal thinks it is too high risk and they are following him.

Astonishing but predicable that Parents would keep children home, I have to say the bullying behaviour of the DOE was shocking and was amazed the DOE weren't even aware of this schools students age profile, well actually not amazed, disgusted. Kudos to the principal and BOM for putting students first.

harr

Can I ask what the big deal is with not closing the schools this week ? Is it pure pigheadedness with the DOE or what . The kids will be doing very little this week anyway. Portlaoise not to far from me has infections in 6 different schools and a significant outbreak in two schools.
I learned today a sub in my sons school has been in schools in Portlaoise in the last two weeks and is now in self isolation.
The rapid rise in schools is now getting serious..

Russman

harr wrote: »

Can I ask what the big deal is with not closing the schools this week ? Is it pure pigheadedness with the DOE or what . The kids will be doing very little this week anyway. Portlaoise not to far from me has infections in 6 different schools and a significant outbreak in two schools.
I learned today a sub in my sons school has been in schools in Portlaoise in the last two weeks and is now in self isolation.
The rapid rise in schools is now getting serious..

Depending on who spins it, working parents can't access childcare at short notice, companies will have employees who can't go to work or children will suffer by missing a week of school.

the kelt

harr wrote: »

Can I ask what the big deal is with not closing the schools this week ? Is it pure pigheadedness with the DOE or what . The kids will be doing very little this week anyway. Portlaoise not to far from me has infections in 6 different schools and a significant outbreak in two schools.
I learned today a sub in my sons school has been in schools in Portlaoise in the last two weeks and is now in self isolation.
The rapid rise in schools is now getting serious..

People needs months and months notice apparently if the schools close for a few days and they have to mind their kids, some are so unbelievably busy in their jobs they wouldnt be able to work at home and mind their kids, oh and spend most of the working day on boards also and lastly it would mean teachers get a few extra days off working and a few people here dont like to see teachers get extra days off!

meeeeh

harr wrote: »

Can I ask what the big deal is with not closing the schools this week ? Is it pure pigheadedness with the DOE or what . The kids will be doing very little this week anyway. Portlaoise not to far from me has infections in 6 different schools and a significant outbreak in two schools.
I learned today a sub in my sons school has been in schools in Portlaoise in the last two weeks and is now in self isolation.
The rapid rise in schools is now getting serious..

What is a definition of rapid spread in schools? Not exact numbers but when does increase in numbers become rapid spread?

lulublue22

meeeeh wrote: »

What is a definition of rapid spread in schools? Not exact numbers but when does increase in numbers become rapid spread?

Why would you wait for spread - rapid or otherwise? I thought the idea was to break the chains of transmission? Random cases yes but spread thought the idea was to prevent spread as much as possible ?

expectationlost

The principal of the Claremorris school made reference covid coming in from outside the community http://ift.tt/3gAGaIH /mp3 RTE NAT1 I presume he isn't talking about Ballyhaunis seeing its the neighboring town and could hardly be describe as outside the community

JimmyVik

the kelt wrote: »

People needs months and months notice apparently if the schools close for a few days and they have to mind their kids, some are so unbelievably busy in their jobs they wouldnt be able to work at home and mind their kids, oh and spend most of the working day on boards also and lastly it would mean teachers get a few extra days off working and a few people here dont like to see teachers get extra days off!

Also you cant have nphet admitting closing schools might ahave a positive effect on the spread of the virus. They would rather we have further full lockdowns in future than admit that.

expectationlost

JimmyVik wrote: »

Also you cant have nphet admitting closing schools might ahave a positive effect on the spread of the virus. They would rather we have further full lockdowns in future than admit that.

stopping open container sales of alcohol from pubs would be first choice rather then closing schools

MerlinSouthDub

JimmyVik wrote: »

Also you cant have nphet admitting closing schools might ahave a positive effect on the spread of the virus. They would rather we have further full lockdowns in future than admit that.

It's not about admitting anything. NPHET have never said (or suggested) that schools aren't a source of transmission. The government has decided that keeping schools open is a priority, ahead of opening pubs, restaurants, non-essential retail etc. This seems like the right priority to me, and we have seen that infection rates continued to reduce while the schools were open and businesses were closed.

meeeeh

lulublue22 wrote: »

Why would you wait for spread - rapid or otherwise? I thought the idea was to break the chains of transmission? Random cases yes but spread thought the idea was to prevent spread as much as possible ?

Spread is constantly going on. The highest reproduction rate is going to be around socialising for Christmas. So if you want to stop rapid spread that's what you need to ban. Not two extra days from school when spread is lower. It also means more won't be brought back to schools in January.

lulublue22

meeeeh wrote: »

Spread is constantly going on. The highest reproduction rate is supposed to ne around socialising for Christmas. So if you want to stop rapid spread that's what you need to ban. Not two extra days from school when spread is lower. It also means more won't be brought back to schools in January.

I’m not talking about 2 extra days for xmas - I’m specifically referencing the school in Claremorris and the school in Portlaois. The poster you replied to was referencing Portlaois with one school closed and an outbreak in another.

meeeeh

lulublue22 wrote: »

I’m not talking about 2 extra days for xmas - I’m specifically referencing the school in Claremorris and the school in Portlaois. The poster you replied to was referencing Portlaois with one school closed and an outbreak in another.

What about them? As far as I know poster with rapid spread was talking about closing all schools two days earlier.

DSN

Russman wrote: »

Depending on who spins it, working parents can't access childcare at short notice, companies will have employees who can't go to work or children will suffer by missing a week of school.

Does the dept of ed really give a toss about working parents or other industry tho? I'd say it's more we let one close then have to put more guidelines in place & have to assess when to allow a school to close (this would make sense rather than a blanket no schools or all schools close but more work for dep obvs) In a case like this as proven out most will keep kids at home anyway when cases get to a certain level, so will of course sort the work juggle somehow.

Boggles

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

It's not about admitting anything. NPHET have never said (or suggested) that schools aren't a source of transmission. The government has decided that keeping schools open is a priority, ahead of opening pubs, restaurants, non-essential retail etc. This seems like the right priority to me, and we have seen that infection rates continued to reduce while the schools were open and businesses were closed.

NPHET don't really mention schools. When asked, the head goes down to a sheet of paper and it is read verbatim, Tony rarely takes questions on schools either, diverts them to other.

In the last meaty letter sent to governance schools were not mentioned.

Every other facet of society was indulged, but not where 1 million + people hang out together indoors for 5 days a week.

Now, whatever side of the fence you choose to sit, I think all can agree that is just bizarre.

But we got a glaring example of how schools are regarded especially by the Department this week, if it were a meat plant everyone would have been serial tested twice by now.

But hey we have to have 15 type of sausages on the shelves.