Schools closed until February? (part 3)

lulublue22

meeeeh wrote: »

What about them? As far as I know poster with rapid spread was talking about closing all schools two days earlier.

I took his post to mean whats the harm in schools which need to close closing early as he referenced schools localish ti him with outbreaks and or cases.

lulublue22

meeeeh wrote: »

Spread is constantly going on. The highest reproduction rate is going to be around socialising for Christmas. So if you want to stop rapid spread that's what you need to ban. Not two extra days from school when spread is lower. It also means more won't be brought back to schools in January.

Spread is going on but focus is on breaking chains of transmission by isolating , limiting contacts and temp closures if necessary. I’m not suggesting all schools need to close but there is something very strange about the refusal to close the school in Claremorris with such a high infection rate 13% as far as I know in an area of high levels of community spread. Now I know you don’t care about the school in Claremorris ( as you’ve openly admitted yourself) but I and and my colleagues certainly do. From my perspective it doesn’t inspire confidence in either the DES or PH.

downthemiddle

UDAWINNER wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1338460190367227905


I have to agree with the parents, the principal thinks it is too high risk and they are following him.

The community have spoken and backed the principal and BOM over the DES. The principal of the school is a level headed individual who clearly has an excellent relationship with the parent body. This school should never have been put in this position by PH and the DES.

Stateofyou

HerrKuehn wrote: »

Really complicated problems in school would not be science related problems which is what I was specifically referencing above. i.e. Blondini's comment on her MSc. I am really just pointing out that even having an MSc does not really indicate much more than an ability to pass the exams in university.

Do you have an MSc?

HerrKuehn

Stateofyou wrote: »

Do you have an MSc?

I do. I have worked in academia too, but I work in industry now.

Stateofyou

HerrKuehn wrote: »

I do. I have worked in academia too, but I work in industry now.

Strange.
According to you, that accomplishment "does not really indicate much more than an ability to pass the exams in university."

So you undermined your own time, money and efforts there. I have a BS and other diplomas/certificates, but you wouldn't be able to say what you did even about that level of university. What I learned is directly applicable to my profession, and achieving an MSc would be even more so.

I have never met anyone, certainly at an MSc level that would ever say what you did. Maybe you have a Masters in Philosophy. :pac:

HerrKuehn

Stateofyou wrote: »

Strange.
According to you, that accomplishment "does not really indicate much more than an ability to pass the exams in university."

So you undermined your own time, money and efforts there. I have a BS and other diplomas/certificates, but you wouldn't be able to say what did even about that level of university. What I learned is directly applicable to my profession, and achieving an MSc would be even more so.

I have never met anyone, certainly at an MSc level that would ever say what you did. Maybe you have a Masters in Philosophy. :pac:

Well in my opinion, what you get from university is the time to focus on a subject and more importantly you should learn how to go off an learn things by yourself. I consider completing a masters degree as similar to taking the training wheels off a bike. Most of what I have learned that I use professionally I have had to learn by myself after university. This is in the area of computer science with a very specific domain knowledge in another area.

Blondini

Stateofyou wrote: »

Strange.
According to you, that accomplishment "does not really indicate much more than an ability to pass the exams in university."

So you undermined your own time, money and efforts there. I have a BS and other diplomas/certificates, but you wouldn't be able to say what you did even about that level of university. What I learned is directly applicable to my profession, and achieving an MSc would be even more so.

I have never met anyone, certainly at an MSc level that would ever say what you did. Maybe you have a Masters in Philosophy. :pac:

Agreed. My post graduate qualifications, in both the hard and soft sciences, entailed a lot more than "passing exams".

Ah well.

Back to covid ......

Higgins5473

KerryConnor wrote: »

It made sense in response to her question as she was asking if it was a contradiction for him to say he supported public health while felt he needed to close the school.

EDIT. although i don't know why i'm bothering to explain. Really unpleasant to say that bout principal who seems like a genuine man who is under huge pressure trying to protect health of his school

Or potentially he is relishing all the attention, hence his appearance on Newstalk breakfast which is an awful show with awful broadcasters, tabloid-esque. It was totally unnecessary for him to come on radio this morning but he chose to do so and made a fool of himself.

Irrespective of all this, that response with a comment "isn't life a contradiction" when asked a direct question related to health and science was pathetic, it does not make a single iota of sense.

Furthermore, he and the BOM have no authority to close a school, if he did not know this much and still carried it out, he should be seriously reprimanded. If he knew this and still carried it out, he should be seriously reprimanded. There's a stench of high ego coming from this very junior and irrelevant person in this whole mess.

wirelessdude01

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Or potentially he is relishing all the attention, hence his appearance on Newstalk breakfast which is an awful show with awful broadcasters, tabloid-esque. It was totally unnecessary for him to come on radio this morning but he chose to do so and made a fool of himself.

Irrespective of all this, that response with a comment "isn't life a contradiction" when asked a direct question related to health and science was pathetic, it does not make a single iota of sense.

Furthermore, he and the BOM have no authority to close a school, if he did not know this much and still carried it out, he should be seriously reprimanded. If he knew this and still carried it out, he should be seriously reprimanded. There's a stench of high ego coming from this very junior and irrelevant person in this whole mess.

What teacher pi$$ed in your corn flakes?

Your clearly don't know the function of a principal and the BoM under health and safety. Now jog on and stir the pot elsewhere like the good 'junior and irrelevant person' that you are.

Blondini

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

What teacher pi$$ed in your corn flakes?

Your clearly don't know the function of a principal and the BoM under health and safety. Now jog on and stir the pot elsewhere like the good 'junior and irrelevant person' that you are.

I agree. The type of vitriol that this thread attracts is truly astounding at times.

The pent-up anger and frustration is really released through such posts on a daily basis.

There are very few other threads like it on boards.

Higgins5473

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

What teacher pi$$ed in your corn flakes?

Your clearly don't know the function of a principal and the BoM under health and safety. Now jog on and stir the pot elsewhere like the good 'junior and irrelevant person' that you are.

Blondini wrote: »

I agree. The type of vitriol that this thread attracts is truly astounding at times.

The pent-up anger and frustration is really released through such posts on a daily basis.

There are very few other threads like it on boards.

I'm a teacher and was a deputy principal :):) I left teaching, I set up my own business and lost it due to Covid. I've written about on boards since the outset, have a look, before you lay the boot in again I had to lay off staff so tread lightly please.

I know the function of a BOM very well and what authority they have, they have absolutely no authority to close a school on health grounds citing Covid cases. The principal sounds like he either did not know he had the authority to close a school or did it anyway, reckless stupid behaviour, these principals are just teachers at the end of the day, very often without any other qualifications. He's now popping up on Newstalk needlessly, I'm guessing we will see him next on posters for local or general elections. Very foolish man.

km79

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Furthermore, he and the BOM have no authority to close a school, if he did not know this much and still carried it out, he should be seriously reprimanded. .

You are completely and utterly wrong on this

Higgins5473

km79 wrote: »

You are completely and utterly wrong on this

Is that right, nothing else to add only this much? Thanks for your contribution.

Stateofyou

Higgins5473 wrote: »

I'm a teacher and was a deputy principal :):) I left teaching, I set up my own business and lost it due to Covid. I've written about on boards since the outset, have a look, before you lay the boot in again I had to lay off staff so tread lightly please.

I know the function of a BOM very well and what authority they have, they have absolutely no authority to close a school on health grounds citing Covid cases. The principal sounds like he either did not know he had the authority to close a school or did it anyway, reckless stupid behaviour, these principals are just teachers at the end of the day, very often without any other qualifications. He's now popping up on Newstalk needlessly, I'm guessing we will see him next on posters for local or general elections. Very foolish man.

Either you're a teacher or you left teaching, which is it? You set up a business after that time, then lost it due to covid. I'm very sorry that has happened to you but you come across as very bitter about your experience and taking it out on someone who's trying to do their best by the staff and students under his care. You don't sound like someone who would have the same ounce of courage he has, to stand up and do what's right even in the face of consequences. That alone is to be respected.

Your one and only thank, from the one who lives in another country and has no children of their own in this country in this school system, who often avoids making hard controversial statements yet likes the ones who do-says a lot.

km79

https://www.midwestradio.ie/index.php/news/43643-principal-of-claremorris-school-with-covid-outbreak-now-isolating-due-to-exposure-to-the-virus
The principal has been identified as a close contact and now has to self isolate
What a great Xmas in store for him

TheValeyard

km79 wrote: »

https://www.midwestradio.ie/index.php/news/43643-principal-of-claremorris-school-with-covid-outbreak-now-isolating-due-to-exposure-to-the-virus
The principal has been identified as a close contact and now has to self isolate
What a great Xmas in store for him

Jesus, he and that school are getting a rough time of it.

selectamatic

Higgins5473 wrote: »

I'm a teacher and was a deputy principal :):) I left teaching, I set up my own business and lost it due to Covid. I've written about on boards since the outset, have a look, before you lay the boot in again I had to lay off staff so tread lightly please.

I know the function of a BOM very well and what authority they have, they have absolutely no authority to close a school on health grounds citing Covid cases. The principal sounds like he either did not know he had the authority to close a school or did it anyway, reckless stupid behaviour, these principals are just teachers at the end of the day, very often without any other qualifications. He's now popping up on Newstalk needlessly, I'm guessing we will see him next on posters for local or general elections. Very foolish man.

It was closed on health and safety grounds due to an inability to find replacement staff. BOM has generally always had the ability to rule on such decisions. DES overruling is very much a new and interesting development.

Necro

Blondini wrote: »

I'm not falling for that innocent act Hughie.
Look at who just thanked your last post. Case closed.

Have a good one......

Stateofyou wrote: »

Either you're a teacher or you left teaching, which is it? You set up a business after that time, then lost it due to covid. I'm very sorry that has happened to you but you come across as very bitter about your experience and taking it out on someone who's trying to do their best by the staff and students under his care. You don't sound like someone who would have the same ounce of courage he has, to stand up and do what's right even in the face of consequences. That alone is to be respected.

Your one and only thank, from the one who lives in another country and has no children of their own in this country in this school system, who often avoids making hard controversial statements yet likes the ones who do-says a lot.

Mod:

This stops now, enough of this nonsense of referring to who thanked what.

No need for that sort of clique-ish petty nonsense, cards and bans will be handed out for this going forward

wirelessdude01

selectamatic wrote: »

It was closed on health and safety grounds due to an inability to find replacement staff. BOM has generally always had the ability to rule on such decisions. DES overruling is very much a new and interesting development.

Very much sets a precedent that supercedes the line they took during the abuse scandals where they hid behind the BoMs saying they had the ultimate authority when it came to the running of schools. This is gonna come back to bite them big time.

Higgins5473

Stateofyou wrote: »

Either you're a teacher or you left teaching, which is it?

What difference would that make to what I am saying? If I paid my teaching council registration all throughout working for myself would I still be a teacher even though I wasn't working as one? I taught for 18 years. How long have you been teaching?

You set up a business after that time, then lost it due to covid. I'm very sorry that has happened to you but you come across as very bitter about your experience and taking it out on someone who's trying to do their best by the staff and students under his care.

Saying your sorry someone lost a business and laid off staff and then in the same sentence following on with an insult means very little I'm sure you'd agree.

You don't sound like someone who would have the same ounce of courage he has, to stand up and do what's right even in the face of consequences. That alone is to be respected.

That's just more insults.

Your one and only thank, from the one who lives in another country and has no children of their own in this country in this school system, who often avoids making hard controversial statements yet likes the ones who do-says a lot.

I have absolutely no idea what this means, I do not spend enough time on this site or thread to know who are what you are talking about.

Higgins5473

selectamatic wrote: »

It was closed on health and safety grounds due to an inability to find replacement staff. BOM has generally always had the ability to rule on such decisions. DES overruling is very much a new and interesting development.

Yes, power, heat, snow, fire...whatever extenuating circumstance, the BOM has the authority to close a school and this does happen.

I have clearly stated they DO NOT have the authority to close a school based upon covid cases and speculation of spread. This was ruled out very early on. The principal was either aware of this and ignored it or was not aware of it, either way very poor management.

expectationlost

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Yes, power, heat, snow, fire...whatever extenuating circumstance, the BOM has the authority to close a school and this does happen.

I have clearly stated they DO NOT have the authority to close a school based upon covid cases and speculation of spread. This was ruled out very early on. The principal was either aware of this and ignored it or was not aware of it, either way very poor management.

I thought he closed it due to lack of staff.

Boggles

Higgins5473 wrote: »

I'm a teacher and was a deputy principal :):) I left teaching, I set up my own business and lost it due to Covid.

Did you think about going back teaching to help out during the pandemic?

Norma put out a call to arms.

km79

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Furthermore, he and the BOM have no authority to close a school, if he did not know this much and still carried it out, he should be seriously reprimanded. .

Just a reminder of what was said initially as it is changing by the minute..........

wirelessdude01

Well thankfully the wider community of Claremorris stood behind him, in particular the parents in his school. Only 7 kids were sent in today. I wonder how many of those were
withdrawn by their parents during the day when the realised they were very much in the tiny minority.

Higgins5473

Boggles wrote: »

Did you think about going back teaching to help out during the pandemic?

Norma put out a call to arms.

I'm back teaching to try and get back on my feet and so I can keep paying the mortgage. All I will say is, teaching is an extremely difficult job and what is happening in schools with a two tier payment system is a disgrace. Not only this, teaching at the moment is bleak, the working conditions with all the covid measures make it a work environment which is hugely detrimental to mental health and morale is very low.

It is a very good indicator of some the blinkered attitudes here by the insults and responses I have been given without knowing the personal circumstances of people. I was automatically labelled some kind of anti-teacher, the wireless guy needs to calm down a bit, there is still an awful lot of respect for teachers. I left teaching because of the treatment of teachers and the cuts. I set up a business in 2010 during the direst of times, I employed people and built something...lost it all. I'll start again. But I'm bitter and have no courage.

My wifes a nurse also, by the way, I have written about this also. She has had the quietest 9 months of her 20 year career and is embarrassed about all the adulation and attention health staff are getting.

Sometimes people don't know other peoples circumstances so maybe more balanced discussion rather than attack, insult, defend isn't the best approach.

wirelessdude01

Higgins5473 wrote: »

I'm back teaching to try and get back on my feet and so I can keep paying the mortgage. All I will say is, teaching is an extremely difficult job and what is happening in schools with a two tier payment system is a disgrace. Not only this, teaching at the moment is bleak, the working conditions with all the covid measures make it a work environment which is hugely detrimental to mental health and morale is very low.

It is a very good indicator of some the blinkered attitudes here by the insults and responses I have been given without knowing the personal circumstances of people. I was automatically labelled some kind of anti-teacher, the wireless guy needs to calm down a bit, there is still an awful lot of respect for teachers. I left teaching because of the treatment of teachers and the cuts. I set up a business in 2010 during the direst of times, I employed people and built something...lost it all. I'll start again. But I'm bitter and have no courage.

My wifes a nurse also, by the way, I have written about this also. She has had the quietest 9 months of her 20 year career and is embarrassed about all the adulation and attention health staff are getting.

Sometimes people don't know other peoples circumstances so maybe more balanced discussion rather than attack, insult, defend isn't the best approach.

Excuse me?

Higgins5473

km79 wrote: »

Just a reminder of what was said initially as it is changing by the minute..........

Don't be so petty, the thread is in a Corona Virus and schools reopening titled thread, was I required to state the exact reason why he could not close the school. It was very obvious what I was saying. There isn't a child in the country that didn't get their day off for a few snow flakes landing on the ground based upon the decision of the school alone.

Higgins5473

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Excuse me?

Indeed, excuse you.