Schools closed until February? (part 3)

wirelessdude01

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

A mess is right, frontline and essential worlers comsist of just about anything these days so id read that as school as normal

Love the use of the use of the term "some schools".

Do they mean like one school in a town is.open and then all the children that meet the criteria are packed into it? No pods and bubbles then.

Whiplash85

JustAThought wrote: »

Out my window Im watching hoardes of children from different families play closely together on their chirstmas toys with not an interruption or intervention from their families or parents all day. Social isolation my aras. Why should teachers put their lives and health at risk for deadbeat parents who don’t give a toss beyond their own convenience. Lock the schools and let ls start a system of reporting and fining the parents who refuse to comply. We’ll soon have the numbers under control again if people behaved. I’m not usually very sympathetic towards teachers but what is happening is riduculous - their lives and health have to matter too.

I think there have been a large cohort of people who have been unaffected really by the pandemic in terms of inconvenience to their own lives for a long time. That is until now. These same people have been clamouring for longer lockdowns and more punitive penalties for breaking restrictions because they realise the precarious situation of schools being open and closed and the ramifications this will have on their own lives. Of course these same people will demonise teachers and say they should work during the summer. Coming from a family of teachers they all would prefer to work in the classroom but it shouldn't be at a risk to their own personal health. It is simply not realistic for schools to be open at this level of infection in the community. A rate that is now one of the worst in Europe. My mother cares for my 90 year old grandmother. She has got this far in life without the virus taking her out at this stage. People forget as well that there is a whole ecosystem around schools being open that just doesn't start in the classroom.

nullzero

History Queen wrote: »

Not being happy about something isn't a refusal to do it though. You still haven't shown someone who refused?

Did I use the word "refused"?

Necro

nullzero wrote: »

If you say so.

Like I said, if you're not happy with my posts report them, you're getting into back seat modding territory now.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Says you who doesn't realise what they are typing. You really must have had a bad day.

Mod:

Can we quit the personal jibes and stay on topic please

downthemiddle

nullzero wrote: »

It appeared that several posters weren't happy about the idea of losing the summer break.

I didn't "drag" my colleagues into anything.

As we're here, would you take your holidays now, forgo the remote learning stuff and work the summer holidays instead?

You are obsessed with teachers' holidays. There will be considerable changes in the next six months. Let's see how things play out.

Queried

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

From a SAGE scientist:

Children aged 12-16 'seven times more likely to spread Covid' warns expert

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/children-aged-12-16-seven-23256804

At least half of my class fall into that age group and don't wear masks.

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

Did I use the word "refused"?

I give up.

nullzero

downthemiddle wrote: »

You are obsessed with teachers' holidays. There will be considerable changes in the next six months. Let's see how things play out.

No I'm not.

Teachers would appear to be obsessed with their holidays.

Any time I say I have no issue with teachers holidays I'm told I'm obsessed by them.

wirelessdude01

nullzero wrote: »

It appeared that several posters weren't happy about the idea of losing the summer break.

I didn't "drag" my colleagues into anything.

As we're here, would you take your holidays now, forgo the remote learning stuff and work the summer holidays instead?

I'll say no. I've been very open on this. Summer holidays are beneficial for both students and teachers.

nullzero

History Queen wrote: »

I give up.

I never said anyone refused to do anything.

You're asking me to to provide evidence of something I never said.

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

I never said anyone refused to do anything.

You're asking me to to provide evidence of something I never said.

Ya right

nullzero

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I'll say no. I've been very open on this. Summer holidays are beneficial for both students and teachers.

Even if the children have spent a good portion of the school year doing little or nothing?

Summer holidays are great in normal situations. This isn't a normal situation.

nullzero

History Queen wrote: »

Ya right

Quote me saying the word "refuse" then.

wirelessdude01

Queried wrote: »

At least half of my class fall into that age group and don't wear masks.

Same here. I have 3 thirteen year olds and 9 twelve year olds. The rest will be twelve before Paddy's Day.

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

Quote me saying the word "refuse" then.

No

downthemiddle

nullzero wrote: »

Any time I say I have no issue with teachers holidays

Sorry, I must have missed this bit. :rolleyes:

nullzero

History Queen wrote: »

No

Thanks for making my point for me.

History Queen

nullzero wrote: »

Thanks for making my point for me.

I'd say the point I'm making is pretty clear

nullzero

downthemiddle wrote: »

Sorry, I must have missed this bit. :rolleyes:

Evidently.

Just to clarify, I have no issue with teachers holidays.

Necro

nullzero wrote: »

Thanks for making my point for me.

Mod:

Threadbanned

vid36

It seems we will have this drama play out for a few more days yet.

Stateofyou

nullzero wrote: »

Playing to the gallery?

The blame lies with the department of education. Teachers aren't the problem. Although they seem mighty miffed at the prospect of missing out on their precious summer holidays.

I worked my ass off last year, up to the wee small hours regularly and didn't get to take my leave in any way that suited me and had a heap of days left at the end of the year that I couldn't carry over.
I'm not the only person I know who did that and you can imagine our opinions of teachers being upset about losing out on holidays.

There it is, that's why you're so angry and begrudging towards the teachers here about summer holidays. It's easy to see. The teacher's lives and holidays are intertwined with student & family lives and their holidays so it's no use taking it out on teachers. Kids will miss each other, but we all have to make sacrifices now for all our best interests and that's the way it is. Luckily we have great technology these days in which our kids can video chat each other and also chit chat over video games. It's not forever.

St.Spodo

It just occurred to me that in the coming days, the government are going to have to explain how they ended up in a situation where they had to close the schools in order to compensate for opening the pubs against public health advice.

History Queen

vid36 wrote: »

It seems we will have this drama play out for a few more days yet.

Do you know, I'm just so bloody angry. The delay is because there is no plan B. Why? Because yet again the Dept are found wanting. I don't even blame the minister, the issues in the Dept are ingrained and years old. Mimisters come and ministers go yet the Dept remains the useless uncommunicative monolith that it has always been. It needs a complete reform.

Glebee

St.Spodo wrote: »

It just occurred to me that in the coming days, the government are going to have to explain how they ended up in a situation where they had to close the schools in order to compensate for opening the pubs against public health advice.

They will just blame the new virus strain.

vid36

Lack of a plan is a disgrace and the government also seem to be in denial.

C__MC

I'd happily take holidays right now and work it back in june

There is easter holidays and three bank holidays in there also to soften the blow

I'm sure another short mid term could be accommodated at some point

Whiplash85

St.Spodo wrote: »

It just occurred to me that in the coming days, the government are going to have to explain how they ended up in a situation where they had to close the schools in order to compensate for opening the pubs against public health advice.

I'm not sure just how hospitality played a part in the numbers we are seeing now. Overcrowded shopping centres could be just as much to blame. It is impossible to quantify simply because we dont have the mechanisms to do so. What is clear is that people and families were always going to mix and socialise over Christmas regardless and if hospitality was closed then this would have just moved the problem or opportunity to a different setting.

The way I see it is that with govt signalling intent to close down in January people adjusted their behaviour to make up for lost time and future lost time. This had a huge bearing on close contact numbers.

wirelessdude01

Has anyone got any idea what is causing the huge increase in numbers in Louth? They've shot up the incidence rate table in the past 10 days or so.

Ray Donovan

C__MC wrote: »

I'd happily take holidays right now and work it back in june

There is easter holidays and three bank holidays in there also to soften the blow

I'm sure another short mid term could be accommodated at some point

And should primary go all the way to end of July?