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Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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    #7922
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    History Queen wrote: »
    Teachers are 11 on a list of 14 I think?

    Just behind lorry drivers because being in a cab on your own is clearly more dangerous than working in the safest environment on the planet.


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    #7923
    History Queen
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    Mrsmum wrote: »
    I think they will have to give lots of choice in the questions but then you could have so much choice as to make the exam almost too easy.

    There is more choice in both of my subjects (I can't speak for other subjects), I'm relatively happy with the adjustments made.


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    #7924
    Tippex
    Registered Users Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭Tippex


    History Queen wrote: »
    Agreed re level playing field. Predicted grades will not fix that. Adjusting the exam papers will.

    Totally agree on that but honestly I’ve no confidence in the department doing that.


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    #7925
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    I think they will have to give lots of choice in the questions but then you could have so much choice as to make the exam almost too easy.

    Or too hard, with indecisive students ending up wasting too much time


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    #7926
    History Queen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Tippex wrote: »
    Totally agree on that but honestly I’ve no confidence in the department doing that.

    They have already made changes to the papers.


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    #7927
    appledrop
    Registered Users Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭appledrop


    BonsaiKitten wrote: »
    One of the best things you could do for her handwriting is work on her fine motor skills - loads of ideas for this online but basically it's strengthening hand muscles. Play dough, cutting and sticking, threading beads etc.

    Buy some fancy stationery too and let her make cards to send to grandparents etc. Lots of reading and work with sight words/phonics is great as well.

    You can access all curriculum documents online for free but it's not the most accessible thing to read.

    I'd be following this advice and make everything fun and forget about seesaw + telling her she has to do her schoolwork. Cards are the way to go for her handwriting. Whoever it is she is closet to and can't see make the card + send it. Doesn't matter what she can write on it main thing is she is trying.

    For maths again relate it to normal things your doing or games. For example my 4 year old loves kerpluck. Loads of maths in it as we both have to count numbers of balls that fall down for each of us and add them up.

    I always find with that age group if they are disinterested the key is for them to not think they are doing 'school work' and you will get more out off them.


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    #7928
    thomasdylan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 514 ✭✭✭thomasdylan


    History Queen wrote: »
    Teachers are 11 on a list of 14 I think?

    11 out of 14 but probably still one of the highest groups outside of healthcare workers and the most at risk..


    How many groups do people here think teachers should be moved ahead of?

    There are only one group of people in Ireland with experience in introducing vaccines and vaccine programmes and that is public health. The order might change but they should be the ones to change it based on the evidence they have.


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    #7929
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,883 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Josepha Madigan and Norma Foley today
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19KotloFVxA


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    #7930
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Or too hard, with indecisive students ending up wasting too much time

    Maybe. But alot of choice can make the mediocre to good student appear as good as the really good student, no ? And since they are all basically competing for points, that's a bit of an issue.


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    #7931
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    thomasdylan wrote: »
    11 out of 14 but probably still one of the highest groups outside of healthcare workers and the most at risk..


    How many groups do people here think teachers should be moved ahead of?

    There are only one group of people in Ireland with experience in introducing vaccines and vaccine programmes and that is public health. The order might change but they should be the ones to change it based on the evidence they have.

    The government keep telling people schools are essential and yet it will be the school year of 21/22 before they inject school staff, a full school year and a bit.

    That is a bit of a mixed message putting them down the bottom.

    Oh btw even though I am a teacher I might not be able to have the injection but I think it should be prioritised.


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    #7932
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    Maybe. But alot of choice can make the mediocre to good student appear as good as the really good student, no ? And since they are all basically competing for points, that's a bit of an issue.

    I don't know. It depends on the subject I guess. With English and Language (my subjects) it won't make a difference but with other subjects maybe it is an issue.

    I would think that less choice and less material in general is the way to go


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    #7933
    thomasdylan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 514 ✭✭✭thomasdylan


    khalessi wrote: »
    The government keep telling people schools are essential and yet it will be the school year of 21/22 before they inject school staff, a full school year and a bit.

    That is a bit of a mixed message putting them down the bottom.

    Oh btw even though I am a teacher I might not be able to have the injection but I think it should be prioritised.

    I think public health have the be the ones to make this decision. I don't think groups should be moved based on lobbying from groups or unions. (One of which had a questionable history regarding vaccinations)


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    #7934
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    thomasdylan wrote: »
    I think public health have the be the ones to make this decision. I don't think groups should be moved based on lobbying from groups or unions. (One of which had a questionable history regarding vaccinations)

    I am not asking you where you think we should go, but whether you think it is a mixed message, yes you are essential but at bottom of list.

    I always find it interesting when people come ask others for opinions but never give any of their own because it isnt in the national interest or an ecumenical matter or whatever.


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    #7935
    St.Spodo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭St.Spodo


    Do we think the school closures will include all schools and pupils, or will there be some exceptions for children of frontline workers, exam students, special ed schools?


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    #7936
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    thomasdylan wrote: »
    How many groups do people here think teachers should be moved ahead of?

    When you take up fishing?


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    #7937
    [Deleted User]
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    St.Spodo wrote: »
    Do we think the school closures will include all schools and pupils, or will there be some exceptions for children of frontline workers, exam students, special ed schools?

    Didn’t they say, or at least strongly imply, that children of frontline and essential workers will be able to attend this time around, at least at primary level (like in the UK and as it should have been from the outset). Don’t know about special ed though.


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    #7938
    thomasdylan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 514 ✭✭✭thomasdylan


    khalessi wrote: »
    I am not asking you where you think we should go, but whether you think it is a mixed message, yes you are essential but at bottom of list.

    I always find it interesting when people come ask others for opinions but never give any of their own because it isnt in the national interest or an ecumenical matter or whatever.

    I think you have to defer to the experts on this. I'm not the one saying it should be changed because I've no experience in vaccination programmes

    But I do think that one of the groups ahead of teachers has very loose entry requirements that could be tightened otherwise it could include lots of people who probably don't need to be vaccinated as priority.


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    #7939
    thomasdylan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 514 ✭✭✭thomasdylan


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    When you take up fishing?

    I think it's a reasonable question.

    11th out of 14 sounds bad if you don't have a look at the groups themselves and numbers in each.


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    #7940
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    St.Spodo wrote: »
    Do we think the school closures will include all schools and pupils, or will there be some exceptions for children of frontline workers, exam students, special ed schools?

    It was apparently leaked by someone in govt that it is a partial return, yes but nothing more detailed that so could be any combination of the above. Or none. Or all.


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    #7941
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Didn’t they say, or at least strongly imply, that children of frontline and essential workers will be able to attend this time around, at least at primary level (like in the UK and as it should have been from the outset). Don’t know about special ed though.

    That was for the creches


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    #7942
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    thomasdylan wrote: »
    I think it's a reasonable question.

    11th out of 14 sounds bad if you don't have a look at the groups themselves and numbers in each.

    My issue is them saying schools are safe, and Micheal has said they are safe for children.

    He is incorrect but they also are workplaces with adults in them and it is not safe for them.

    I know now schools might be closed but if they were left open, that would be a full school year leaving people at risk and then into the next year. Ridiculous


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    #7943
    alroley
    Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭alroley


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    It was apparently leaked by someone in govt that it is a partial return, yes but nothing more detailed that so could be any combination of the above. Or none. Or all.

    Link?


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    #7944
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    alroley wrote: »
    Link?

    oh now, I will have to go searching. It wasn't any official news source, which is why I said apparently, but I definitely saw something. Will have a look around


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    #7945
    [Deleted User]
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    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    That was for the creches

    Okay. My bad. I’d heard the arrangements being equated to the UK, and so had assumed would include at least primary


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    #7946
    alroley
    Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭alroley


    I would expect to see primary school children of essential workers in school, but I can't see exam years in next week. That would be hundreds of teens/young adults still coming to each school and mixing.


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    #7947
    zeebre12
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭zeebre12


    alroley wrote: »
    I would expect to see primary school children of essential workers in school, but I can't see exam years in next week. That would be hundreds of teens/young adults still coming to each school and mixing.

    How does that work then? The teacher has to teach them for the day and then have 'online learning' for the students who are not in school?


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    #7948
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    khalessi wrote: »
    My issue is them saying schools are safe, and Micheal has said they are safe for children.

    He is incorrect but they also are workplaces with adults in them and it is not safe for them.

    Do you have the precise probability of a teacher contracting covid19 in a classroom and subsequently dying please? So we can judge exactly what "not safe" means...


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    #7949
    alroley
    Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭alroley


    zeebre12 wrote: »
    How does that work then? The teacher has to teach them for the day and then have 'online learning' for the students who are not in school?

    I have no idea and I am not saying it is a good idea, but it is what the opposition has asked for and it is what other countries are doing, so I can see our government going with that.


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    #7950
    alroley
    Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭alroley


    sabat wrote: »
    Do you have the precise probability of a teacher contracting covid19 in a classroom and subsequently dying please? So we can judge exactly what "not safe" means...

    Being in an overcrowded, small, badly ventilated room with 30+ unmasked people while a virus that has been described as "rampant" by the HSE is not safe.


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    #7951
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    sabat wrote: »
    Do you have the precise probability of a teacher contracting covid19 in a classroom and subsequently dying please? So we can judge exactly what "not safe" means...

    Nope but according to FOI over 6000 teachers in Spetember and October of 15% of the workforce were absent due to Covid related matters.


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