Schools closed until February? (part 3)

Knine

Follow_ur_lead wrote: »

I honestly feel that SNAs and special school service providers have let down the most vunerable in Ireland.

Horrendous carry on.

The SNA's involved with my child have been fantastic, along with her teacher.

ForestFire

I can see where end of January, possible mid February is required by the schools, but it seems to be lost all the time here, that schools are an essential service for our children.

No one is claiming they are immune to Covid spread, but they are controlled, with primary classes effectively a large 30 person bubble and secondary classes, I guess, pupil/teacher interaction can be kept apart, for the most part?

The reason everything else closes, if not so much that they are not as safe as schools (some are not, but not all), but that we have to prioritise something to continue and to reduce the risk for schools, we close everthing else (same idea as protecting hospitals)

Will all the supermarkets close now also? Surely that can't be safe working conditions, for their staff and families?

Working 8 hours a day indoors, with little ventilation and dealing with, not 30 of the same people each day, but hundreds of different people each day, that they need to handle all items of shopping touched by each of them (and there tag along kids :-) ?

I guess not, but it's worth remembering these are some of the unsung hero's throughout all of this that don't get the same recognition as other more prominent frontline staff...

And no, I have no immediate family in this sector, but do have family in nursing homes... But I see these supermarket workers everyweek, catering for our needs and survival and I'm sure on relatively low wages.

Endintheclowns

Follow_ur_lead wrote: »

I honestly feel that SNAs and special school service providers have let down the most vunerable in Ireland.

Horrendous carry on.

I'm sorry you feel like that but SNA's health is as important as children's welfare. Calling it horrendous carry on is very disingenuous. An employer's first duty of care is to their employees and providing them with a safe work environment, that's just not possible at the moment.

khalessi

ForestFire wrote: »

I can see where end of January, possible mid February is required by the schools, but it seems to be lost all the time here, that schools are an essential service for our children.

No one is claiming they are immune to Covid spread, but they are controlled, with primary classes effectively a large 30 person bubble and secondary classes, I guess, pupil/teacher interaction can be kept apart, for the most part?

The reason everything else closes, if not so much that they are not as safe as schools (some are not, but not all), but that we have to prioritise something to continue and to reduce the risk for schools, we close everthing else (same idea as protecting hospitals)

Will all the supermarkets close now also? Surely that can't be safe working conditions, for their staff and families?

Working 8 hours a day indoors, with little ventilation and dealing with, not 30 of the same people each day, but hundreds of different people each day, that they need to handle all items of shopping touched by each of them (and there tag along kids :-) ?

I guess not, but it's worth remembering these are some of the unsung hero's throughout all of this that don't get the same recognition as other more prominent frontline staff...

And no, I have no immediate family in this sector, but do have family in nursing homes... But I see these supermarket workers everyweek, catering for our needs and survival and I'm sure on relatively low wages.

All these questions have been answered many times in the thread.

eviltwin

Follow_ur_lead wrote: »

They have saidbthey wouldn't go in? If they would go in this wouldnt be an issue.

Are you for real? As a fellow parent of a child with special needs I understand and share your concerns re your child’s education but I completely understand the teachers fears too. The infection rates are terrifying. They have vulnerable loved ones they need to protect. That had to take priority

ForestFire

khalessi wrote: »

All these questions have been answered many times in the thread.

This post is about today's announcements, there are over 700 pages in this thread that started 3 months ago, and 3 threads before that.

If you are anyone else have nothing to say again that's fine, but I will post my concerns and opinions anyway, thanks.

Eoinbmw

The only logical next step must be to offer the vaccine to school staff urgently if they are serious about re opening schools!

downthemiddle

Eoinbmw wrote: »

Im personally very upset about the situation!
But to blame SNA's and teachers directly is wrong !

My heart goes out to parents of children with additional needs tonight. They were given hope only to have it snatched away again. They are entitled to their anger, but direct the anger where it is deserved.
There is no simple solution here. Online learning does not work for many children with additional needs. However, many also have underlying conditions and that is also a dilemma. The benefits of attending school are huge. However, these benefits have to be weighed against the risks to the children, parents, school staff, bus drivers and escorts. One child becoming seriously ill would be one child too many.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

lulublue22

ForestFire wrote: »

This post is about today's announcements, there are over 700 pages in this thread that started 3 months ago, and 3 threads before that.

If you are anyone else have nothing to say again that's fine, but I will post my concerns and opinions anyway, thanks.

Fire away - just don’t be surprised if no one bothers to answer the same question yet again.

ForestFire

Eoinbmw wrote: »

The only logical next step must be to offer the vaccine to school staff urgently if they are serious about re opening schools!

Yes agree with this, after nursing homes, HSE workers, and the vulnerable that cannot isolate or risk too high.

and then we are into essential workers, that deal with the public like supermarkets, chemist's that cannot close and Teachers also around this time before.

But I'm sure there are many more that I forgot or want to be on the list also.

wirelessdude01

Coraline Straight Ripple wrote: »

Hi, our primary school has not sent any resources. My God-Child is in third class. Are there any online resources or notes that people would recommend? I am happy to pay, because I want her to have a good foundation for her early education.

Schools are closed until Monday. The school will be in touch. Don't be worrying.

KrustyUCC

It's amazing how these risks were successfully weighed for children with special needs in the UK from March to now

They never closed their doors nor failed to provide education

Yet the same thing for the same students can't be provided down here

Endintheclowns

Eoinbmw wrote: »

The only logical next step must be to offer the vaccine to school staff urgently if they are serious about re opening schools!

Well you'd imagine for a government that said keeping schools open was a priority they'd have realized that earlier.

khalessi

ForestFire wrote: »

This post is about today's announcements, there are over 700 pages in this thread that started 3 months ago, and 3 threads before that.

If you are anyone else have nothing to say again that's fine, but I will post my concerns and opinions anyway, thanks.

Youre welcome we are used to being blamed for stuff we have no control of, like a pandemic.

ALso schoools were not as safe as made out. Most cases of tramsmission in schools were recorded as community transmission and also many teachers who caught Covid in school and told the tracers that were told it would be recorded as community transmission.

THen there is the new strain and the fact it is highly transmissible and NPHET are gravely concerned about the R number.

Then we take into account that Norma Foley ignored all this, did not take any advice from Health or other relevant bodies to bully staff into school

So if you want to complain fine but at least take into account what is actually going on instead of what you would like to think is going on so your conscience is eased about children and adults in an unsafe environment.

CharlieHaghy

Norma is combing the fringe and will be on prime time shortly.

khalessi

KrustyUCC wrote: »

It's amazing how these risks were successfully weighed for children with special needs in the UK from March to now

They never closed their doors nor failed to provide education

Yet the same thing for the same students can't be provided down here

You know teachers died in UK and also chldren ended up in ICU.

ForestFire

lulublue22 wrote: »

Fire away - just don’t be surprised if no one bothers to answer the same question yet again.

Well i've already had 2 people bother enough to reply to my post, to tell me no one is going to reply! .... That's more replies than I normally get to my posts on boards ;-)

(joke) :-)

robfowler78

Treppen wrote: »

What are you rambling about, as of from Monday I'll be following my full timetable for online classes.... plus I'll be expected to chase up the students who don't show to class.

Lol sorry read back my post there and it did come across abit mixed up. I ment the government had 10 month to arrange not the teachers ( if you read my previous post I actually said I don’t blame the teachers ). Also not all teachers will be doing a full day my kids get one email a day similar to the homework that gets sent home in their journal ( primary school ) takes about 1hr to do.There is no set plan how could there be with the short notice of closing.

As to streaming from the class I ment if 10 months ago this had been suggested if the schools needed to close again how many teachers would have been willing to go into the class and do it.

Again not a criticism of the teachers just wondering what the issue with that would be if any.

ForestFire

khalessi wrote: »

Youre welcome we are used to being blamed for stuff we have no control of, like a pandemic.

ALso schoools were not as safe as made out. Most cases of tramsmission in schools were recorded as community transmission and also many teachers who caught Covid in school and told the tracers that were told it would be recorded as community transmission.

THen there is the new strain and the fact it is highly transmissible and NPHET are gravely concerned about the R number.

Then we take into account that Norma Foley ignored all this, did not take any advice from Health or other relevant bodies to bully staff into school

So if you want to complain fine but at least take into account what is actually going on instead of what you would like to think is going on so your conscience is eased about children and adults in an unsafe environment.

Did you actually read my post?

I agreed with the need to close schools for now, but did highlight also, that they are classed an essential service.

The rest was not about teachers, as above, but that some other workers, that I feel, need extra priase for working though this, that they don't always get.

Knine

ForestFire wrote: »

This post is about today's announcements, there are over 700 pages in this thread that started 3 months ago, and 3 threads before that.

If you are anyone else have nothing to say again that's fine, but I will post my concerns and opinions anyway, thanks.

ForestFire wrote: »

Yes agree with this, after nursing homes, HSE workers, and the vulnerable that cannot isolate or risk too high.

and then we are into essential workers, that deal with the public like supermarkets, chemist's that cannot close and Teachers also around this time before.

But I'm sure there are many more that I forgot or want to be on the list also.

They forgot the Carers of these children with special needs!

KrustyUCC

khalessi wrote: »

You know teachers died in UK and also chldren ended up in ICU.

Sure but so did many from many walks of life

That doesn't change the fact that for the second time since March we are failing to provide education to the most vulnerable children in Irish society

Schools in Derry can do it but 5km over the border in Donegal we can't apparently

9db3xj7z41fs5u

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

Those are kind of my go-to areas with 3rd... multiplication is a great one to work on as well. And reading. Lots of reading does amazing things for kids, the local library might have things online.

Can he email the teacher? If so, I'd ask if she would sign up to Epic and send him a student login. Epic is like an online library. If you have access through a teacher account it's completely free to use - I think between 7am and 4pm, and then an additional 2 hours free of choice. Teacher doesn't have to do anything other than give him access (and it's free for her as well). He can sign up himself but he'll have to pay.

I think that he is waiting to see what Monday will bring. I will defo tell him your suggestion. Thanks a mill!

khalessi

robfowler78 wrote: »

Lol sorry read back my post there and it did come across abit mixed up. I ment the government had 10 month to arrange not the teachers ( if you read my previous post I actually said I don’t blame the teachers ). Also not all teachers will be doing a full day my kids get one email a day similar to the homework that gets sent home in their journal ( primary school ) takes about 1hr to do.There is no set plan how could there be with the short notice of closing.

As to streaming from the class I ment if 10 months ago this had been suggested if the schools needed to close again how many teachers would have been willing to go into the class and do it.

Again not a criticism of the teachers just wondering what the issue with that would be if any.

I can't go into school to stream as I would have to bring the kids and that would not be allowed. However, I managed alright teaching online for previous lockdown.

Bananaleaf

khalessi wrote: »

You know teachers died in UK and also chldren ended up in ICU.

pfft ... details




RTE reporting that NPHET say the R0 is somewhere between 2.4 and 3

They are calling it an extraordinary national crisis.

I know the decision has been reversed now and we need to move on, but WTF was she thinking?????

khalessi

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Sure but so did many from many walks of life

That doesn't change the fact that for the second time since March we are failing to provide education to the most vulnerable children in Irish society

Schools in Derry can do it but 5km over the border in Donegal we can't apparently

Does not change the fact it is a pandemic and everyone is at risk moreso now, even NPHET dont want people moving around too much.

wirelessdude01

Coraline Straight Ripple wrote: »

I think that he is waiting to see what Monday will bring. I will defo tell him your suggestion. Thanks a mill!

As I said already I wouldn't be worrying now. The school will be in touch. How was homework being assigned/sent home since the start of this school year?

ShamoBuc

khalessi wrote: »

Does not change the fact it is a pandemic and everyone is at risk moreso now, even NPHET dont want people moving around too much.

And it's only safe for the Dáil to meet twice a week now.

irishlad.

Again, just to echo what others have said on here, I'm happy to help out anyone with a child from Senior Infants up to 2nd class.


We now all know where we stand with online teaching, lets not bash teachers on here but instead try help each other to get through this!

Knine

ForestFire wrote: »

This post is about today's announcements, there are over 700 pages in this thread that started 3 months ago, and 3 threads before that.

If you are anyone else have nothing to say again that's fine, but I will post my concerns and opinions anyway, thanks.

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Sure but so did many from many walks of life

That doesn't change the fact that for the second time since March we are failing to provide education to the most vulnerable children in Irish society

Schools in Derry can do it but 5km over the border in Donegal we can't apparently

I feel a lot safer keeping my child with Special Needs at home! Lots of children with extra needs also have underlying health issues

9db3xj7z41fs5u

I am up to my eyes in work at the moment. But I would like to somehow help the students out there. My friend's daughter is sitting LC french. I have translated and made notes based on the comprehensions from the LC higher level 2019. There is a lot of good will out there, so it would be my way of helping. It is no means perfect. I got an A1 in LC french and did some post-graduate courses in Paris. I am going to aim to do a translation every fortnight of the comprehensions, with notes. PM me if you want the copy. The caveat is that I am not a teacher!