Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

hetuzozaho

Phoebas wrote: »

It appears to come from one source only - the Epoch Times (who have form for spreading Pro-Trump conspiracy theories). Hard to tell if they got it from 4Chan or the other way around.

Due diligence required here I think.

There's a thread on reddit about it and a poster from Oregon says the following, obviously not verified, but doesn't sound outlandish from looking at the websites linked. Sounds more like maybe a good way to get information on people as opposed to effecting their votes.

The articles are trying to make more out of it as usual. By screenshots and youtube videos of screenshots. And throw in a mention of 4chan and the darkweb and away you go.

It does sound like improvements could be made, but I don't know enough about it. And it's not being discussed properly in any articles released yet. Just awful reporting so far. Maybe someone reputable will pick it up at some stage.

As a voter from Oregon, this is slightly exaggerated but I've been complaining about the thin security margins the whole system is designed on since I moved here.

You can view a voter's information with their name and DOB. This includes party affiliation and street address. Disgusting.

You can view and "fill in" a voter's HTML ballot if you have their name and DOB. The HTML ballot is used by active military or disabled people who can't fill in the real paper ballot that is mailed to them.

Filling in the HTML ballot does not change their vote; the ballot isn't submitted on the website. It needs to be printed and mailed in inside a signed election envelope. The HTML ballot can also be emailed or faxed in by the election deadline, but must be followed by a mailed in, signed letter corresponding to the vote that was submitted electronically. The website allows you to print that letter.

To change a voter's registration or cancel their ballots, you also need their driver's license number (or the equivalent ID for people who don't drive)
The signature on a voter's driver's license (or equivalent) is used to verify their vote.

So basically you also need copy of the voter's driver's license to tamper with their vote. Not a very high bar to clear considering several institutions keep photocopies of driver's licenses. If you had a database of driver's licenses you could fully automate printing and mailing in fraudulent votes.

Graham

Even the Nationalist Review, a 'publication' rated as "extreme right biased and Questionable based on the use of poor sources, lack of transparency, and one-sided misleading reporting." has a fact-check debunking the story.

That's a site run by Brett McDonald "Unabashed Nationalist, #Trump2016 to #MakeAmericaGreatAgain"


The Gateway Pundit itself states

We have not yet been able to confirm or debunk this claim.

stefanovich

Tippex wrote: »

Would the fact that the opening line of the article basically states that the source is 4Chan not be a red flag to most people?
I'm not saying it is not true but the fact that 4chan is the source would make me believe that it is not as likely to be true as something like techcrunch etc reporting it.

4chan have a history of online pranks and hacks. I think it totally credible they may have been searching for and found exploits.

Quin_Dub

hetuzozaho wrote: »

There's a thread on reddit about it and a poster from Oregon says the following, obviously not verified, but doesn't sound outlandish from looking at the websites linked. Sounds more like maybe a good way to get information on people as opposed to effecting their votes.

The articles are trying to make more out of it as usual. By screenshots and youtube videos of screenshots. And throw in a mention of 4chan and the darkweb and away you go.

It does sound like improvements could be made, but I don't know enough about it. And it's not being discussed properly in any articles released yet. Just awful reporting so far. Maybe someone reputable will pick it up at some stage.

Without question more could be done to improve Election Security - Better voting machines , Improved cybersecurity, better oversight etc. etc.

The GOP however and McConnell in particular, keep refusing the fund those things , over and over and over again.

Despite the somewhat rickety condition of the voting platforms in a number of states , fundamentally the likelihood of a group having the ability to carry out Election fraud successfully at the scale required to impact the result of a National Election is so small as to be inconsequential.

Graham

In more lighthearted actual election news, it's good to see the United Steelworkers Union has a sense of humour.

https://twitter.com/USWBat/status/1317485582252187648

stefanovich

Graham wrote: »

In more lighthearted actual election news, it's good to see the United Steelworkers Union has a sense of humour.

https://twitter.com/USWBat/status/1317485582252187648

A bigger story is the man hanging from the tower for 10 hours, demanding to speak to Trump.

Thankfully he was arrested and appears unharmed.

Hope that steelworkers prank didn't encourage him.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/10/18/21522344/person-hanging-off-trump-tower-demanding-speak-president

Professor Moriarty

stefanovich wrote: »

A bigger story is the man hanging from the tower for 10 hours, demanding to speak to Trump.

Thankfully he was arrested and appears unharmed.

Hope that steelworkers prank didn't encourage him.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/10/18/21522344/person-hanging-off-trump-tower-demanding-speak-president

That's not a big story. That's just some poor man with mental health difficulties. Pandemic, economy, division, climate change. They're the big stories.

Graham

stefanovich wrote: »

Hope that steelworkers prank didn't encourage him.

4 chan?

Phoebas

stefanovich wrote: »

A bigger story is the man hanging from the tower for 10 hours, demanding to speak to Trump.

Was it Don Junior?

Graham

Phoebas wrote: »

Was it Don Junior?

Rudy

Igotadose

So is the laptop fake story just some prep for 2022, when perhaps the GOP's rebounded some and can start running investigations? I guess it'll depend on the signal from President Biden as to whether he's going to run again in 2024. If not (which I think is 30% likely at this point, but the Presidency wears you down and he might not), I doubt anything regarding Hunter Biden happens. If he is running and the GOP have the ability to do some farcical investigating like Benghazi, wasting millions of taxpayer $$, then maybe we'll hear more about the laptop nonsense.

But geeze, bad photoshopping? And lurid videos and images kept on your own laptop that needed repair by some blind rando in Delaware? And people believe this crap?!

ohnonotgmail

Phoebas wrote: »

Was it Don Junior?

anything to get some attention from his daddy.

Quin_Dub

Igotadose wrote: »

So is the laptop fake story just some prep for 2022, when perhaps the GOP's rebounded some and can start running investigations? I guess it'll depend on the signal from President Biden as to whether he's going to run again in 2024. If not (which I think is 30% likely at this point, but the Presidency wears you down and he might not), I doubt anything regarding Hunter Biden happens. If he is running and the GOP have the ability to do some farcical investigating like Benghazi, wasting millions of taxpayer $$, then maybe we'll hear more about the laptop nonsense.

But geeze, bad photoshopping? And lurid videos and images kept on your own laptop that needed repair by some blind rando in Delaware? And people believe this crap?!

If the election goes according to current polling, this won't happen before 2023.

If the GOP house all 3 branches which looks a real possibility they won't be able to do anything.

However if they lose the WH and do manage to keep the Senate then yes , there will be endless hearings about absolutely nothing..

Igotadose

Quin_Dub wrote: »

If the election goes according to current polling, this won't happen before 2023.

If the GOP house all 3 branches which looks a real possibility they won't be able to do anything.

However if they lose the WH and do manage to keep the Senate then yes , there will be endless hearings about absolutely nothing..

Correct 2023 would be the earliest. I expect Fox to be on about it for awhile though, as well as OAN, until there's some new outrage to latch onto.

ohnonotgmail

Igotadose wrote: »

So is the laptop fake story just some prep for 2022, when perhaps the GOP's rebounded some and can start running investigations? I guess it'll depend on the signal from President Biden as to whether he's going to run again in 2024. If not (which I think is 30% likely at this point, but the Presidency wears you down and he might not), I doubt anything regarding Hunter Biden happens. If he is running and the GOP have the ability to do some farcical investigating like Benghazi, wasting millions of taxpayer $$, then maybe we'll hear more about the laptop nonsense.

But geeze, bad photoshopping? And lurid videos and images kept on your own laptop that needed repair by some blind rando in Delaware? And people believe this crap?!

Not a hope that Biden runs again in 2024.

Igotadose

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Not a hope that Biden runs again in 2024.

We'll see. That thread can start sometime in 2021

Graham

Retaining the Senate majority is far from a foregone conclusion at this stage.

ohnonotgmail

Graham wrote: »

Retaining the Senate majority is far from a foregone conclusion at this stage.

Fivethirtyeight has the democrats winning control in 74 out of 100 scenarios. there are 23 republican seats up for grabs and only 12 democrats so more scope for the dems to gain seats.


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/senate/

Quin_Dub

Graham wrote: »

Retaining the Senate majority is far from a foregone conclusion at this stage.

Absolutely , they could still hold on there.

That would be disastrous for a Biden Presidency and McConnell would simply block everything.

However as it stands right now , Democrats are considered "likely" or "very likely" to win 5 Seats and are 50:50 in 2 or 3 others.

They are going to lose Alabama so they are currently looking at a net gain of 3 or 4 , which with a Biden win is enough.

But it's still very much in play and several of the seats will be decided by the Top of the ticket.

If Biden performs reasonably close to the current polling numbers then they take the Senate , if it's a lot closer then who knows?

Graham

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Fivethirtyeight has the democrats winning control in 74 out of 100 scenarios. there are 23 republican seats up for grabs and only 12 democrats so more scope for the dems to gain seats.

The Cook report has

2 Republican seats as Leaning Democrat
7 Republican seats as Toss Up
3 Republican seats as Leaning Republican
11 Republican seats as Likely or Solid Republican

That's a fair chunk of Republican seats in play

On the other side,

1 Democrat seat Leaning Republican (AL as Quin_Dub mentioned)
1 Democrat seat as Leaning Democrat
10 Democrat seats as Solid Democrat

https://cookpolitical.com/index.php/ratings/senate-race-ratings



For the sceptical:

mediabiasfactcheck.com
Overall, we rate The Cook Political Report Least Biased based on a long track record of calling races based on known data. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record

MoonUnit75

Director of National Intelligence says Hunter Biden's laptop is not Russian disinformation despite recent spin to protect Biden's campaign.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/10/19/director_of_national_intelligence_ratcliffe_hunter_biden_laptop_emails_not_russian_disinformation.html

"Let me be clear, the intelligence community doesn’t believe that because there is no intelligence that supports and we shared no intelligence with chairman Schiff or any other member of Congress that Hunter Biden’s laptop is part of some Russian disinformation campaign. It’s simply not true."

Leroy42

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Director of National Intelligence says Hunter Biden's laptop is not Russian disinformation despite recent spin to protect Biden's campaign.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/10/19/director_of_national_intelligence_ratcliffe_hunter_biden_laptop_emails_not_russian_disinformation.html

"Let me be clear, the intelligence community doesn’t believe that because there is no intelligence that supports and we shared no intelligence with chairman Schiff or any other member of Congress that Hunter Biden’s laptop is part of some Russian disinformation campaign. It’s simply not true."

What a curious thing to say. He doesn't state whether the story is true, just that the laptop is not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. But are the emails? And the rest of the stuff purportedly found on it?

It is a cleaver way to look like you are giving the story credit without actually giving it any credit.

Overheal

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Director of National Intelligence says Hunter Biden's laptop is not Russian disinformation despite recent spin to protect Biden's campaign.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/10/19/director_of_national_intelligence_ratcliffe_hunter_biden_laptop_emails_not_russian_disinformation.html

"Let me be clear, the intelligence community doesn’t believe that because there is no intelligence that supports and we shared no intelligence with chairman Schiff or any other member of Congress that Hunter Biden’s laptop is part of some Russian disinformation campaign. It’s simply not true."

Is this the same John Ratcliffe that called the impeachment of Donald Trump a hoax, and sat on the House Intelligence committee for the Republicans before being picked up for the DNI role? Who also claimed he has seen "no information" that shows Russia interfered in 2016 to help Trump - even though several Senate GOP led reports have disclosed precisely that?

Ratcliffe has staunchly supported Trump's criticism of the investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, in particular the origins of the investigation, contending "it does appear that there were crimes committed during the Obama administration."[89] Ratcliffe has stated that he has "seen no evidence" that Russian interference in the 2016 election helped get Trump elected.[81] He has described court-approved surveillance of the Trump campaign as spying.[81] He has claimed without evidence that the Russia probe may have been tainted by a criminal conspiracy.[11]

Days before he was announced as Trump's choice to be Director of National Intelligence, Ratcliffe drew headlines for his questioning of Robert Mueller during Mueller's congressional testimony.[90] Ratcliffe criticized Mueller for describing instances of obstruction of justice in his report on Russian interference in the 2016 election.[91] Ratcliffe claimed that Mueller went beyond the rules for special counsels, by covering instances of potential obstruction when the report did not charge any crimes. The Associated Press and PolitiFact found Ratcliffe's claim false, noting that special prosecutors are required by federal regulations to explain decisions not to prosecute.[91][92] Neal Katyal, who wrote the special counsel regulations in 1999, called Ratcliffe "dead wrong."[93]

Ratcliffe also falsely claimed that the Steele dossier, which he described as a "fake, phony dossier", was the start of the Russia probe.[94] The House Republican intelligence committee's own memo about the Russia probe had said that it was information about George Papadopoulos that set off an investigation by the FBI in July 2016.[94] Ratcliffe also asserted that Democrats "accused Donald Trump of a crime and then tried to reverse engineer a process to justify that accusation."[68] Trump was reportedly impressed by Ratcliffe's aggressive questioning of Mueller, which some sources described as Ratcliffe's "audition" to be named DNI.[90]

Shortly before Trump announced he would be nominated as DNI, Ratcliffe asserted the Obama administration had committed a felony by leaking classified transcripts of 2016 phone calls between Michael Flynn and Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak to The Washington Post.[95] The gist of the conversations were conveyed to Post reporters, but not the transcripts themselves.[96][97] He also asserted, "The Mueller report and its conclusions weren’t from Robert Mueller. They were written by what a lot of people believe was Hillary Clinton’s de facto legal team, people that had supported her, even represented some of her aides."[8]

Ratcliffe said that he had seen a text message between FBI employees Peter Strzok and Lisa Page that referenced a "secret society," adding, "We learned today about information that in the immediate aftermath of his election, there may have been a ‘secret society’ of folks within the Department of Justice and the FBI, to include Page and Strzok, working against [Trump].” His assertion briefly went viral on pro-Trump media, and the next day Republican senator Ron Johnson claimed that Republican investigators had learned from an “informant" of meetings of a “secret society.” The text message did contain the expression "secret society," but it was soon learned to be a joke related to Strzok's purchase of "beefcake" calendars of Vladimir Putin for distribution to FBI employees who had worked on the Russian investigation.[98][99]

He doesn't seem like a trustworthy nor non-partisan source of information.

Quin_Dub

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Director of National Intelligence says Hunter Biden's laptop is not Russian disinformation despite recent spin to protect Biden's campaign.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/10/19/director_of_national_intelligence_ratcliffe_hunter_biden_laptop_emails_not_russian_disinformation.html

John Ratcliffe???

That hugely qualified man that got his job as DNI as a result of his extensive experience in the Intelligence community? (NOT!)

This from the man that released Russian Disinformation himself a few weeks back in an attempt to slander Biden and Obama

He is the very definition a Trump mouthpiece and only has the job he's in because of his undying loyalty to Trump.

If John Ratcliffe told me it was raining , I'd go outside to check.

eagle eye

Overheal wrote:

He doesn't seem like a trustworthy nor non-partisan source of information.

So here you go making an assumption about what's going on while castigating me for saying that the whole Hunter Biden on a Ukraine gas board stinks.

It's like it's ok for you to be suspicious but but me.

And I'm not disagreeing with your thoughts on this man either. I think it's very odd how he said things. Seems like all he did was debunk that it's Russian interference. Did he actually confirm there is a Hunter Biden laptop?

Overheal

eagle eye wrote: »

castigating me for saying that the whole Hunter Biden on a Ukraine gas board stinks.

... where did this happen

eagle eye

Overheal wrote:

... where did this happen

I'll have to go check, maybe you didn't actually post but only thanked other posters.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1318170176660135936

MoonUnit75

Leroy42 wrote: »

What a curious thing to say. He doesn't state whether the story is true, just that the laptop is not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. But are the emails? And the rest of the stuff purportedly found on it?

It is a cleaver way to look like you are giving the story credit without actually giving it any credit.

We'll see if the FBI or any other intelligence agency contradict him. They had the laptop data for almost a year so should be in a position to clarify to the voting public if there is a massive Russian hoax against Biden. Or, maybe, if Hunter Biden or Joe Biden will finally say the emails, photos, videos and text messages are fake. So far they are dodging answering this very basic question. Why?

Bidenites here congratulate themselves for coming up with the bizarre assertion that they are not denying it to the American public because it might annoy Giuliani :pac:

ohnonotgmail

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1318170176660135936

I'm not sure that was the sick burn that Trump thought it was