Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

ohnonotgmail

Rjd2 wrote: »

Yep Trump is an abomination, but this clip was taken out of context hugely, but obviously a lot of the people who seen the initial viral Aaron Ruppar tweet live in echo chambers so the damage is done and why the company have to scramble to salvage the situation.

Trump does set himself up for this way to often though which is on him, needs to be more careful when speaking.

that would involve trump putting his brain in gear before speaking. not his trong point

Tippex

Rjd2 wrote: »

Yep Trump is an abomination, but this clip was taken out of context hugely, but obviously a lot of the people who seen the initial viral Aaron Ruppar tweet live in echo chambers so the damage is done and why the company have to scramble to salvage the situation.

Trump does set himself up for this way to often though which is on him, needs to be more careful when speaking.

If he has;t learnt the art of diplomacy as this stage of his term you cannot expect him to engage his brain before he speaks with 2 weeks to go before election day it is too late for that.

stefanovich

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that would involve trump putting his brain in gear before speaking. not his trong point

Or maybe the media could try being honest?

Quin_Dub

Rjd2 wrote: »

Yep Trump is an abomination, but this clip was taken out of context hugely, but obviously a lot of the people who seen the initial viral Aaron Ruppar tweet live in echo chambers so the damage is done and why the company have to scramble to salvage the situation.

Trump does set himself up for this way to often though which is on him, needs to be more careful when speaking.

Like I said - When the President speaks it has consequences.

Exxon felt they needed to respond to his comment so it was interpreted in a way that they felt might be damaging for them.

He does this over and over and over again.

You had Lara Trump saying that he was "only having a laugh" when he was attacking Whitmer at his rally on Friday or Saturday.

Whitmer was able to show a direct increase in threats being made over Social Media immediately after he made the comments.

How many times has he said the wrong/inappropriate thing when speaking to foreign leaders etc.?

ohnonotgmail

stefanovich wrote: »

Or maybe the media could try being honest?

a trump supporter talking about honesty. hilarious.

Tippex

stefanovich wrote: »

Or maybe the media could try being honest?

we all know that is never likely to happen. That's like asking politicians to be honest.

we all know FOX is biased for Trump and CNN is biased for Biden.
The money involved in every aspect of US politics is incredible and everyone sees it as a way of earning more money and looking after themselves hence why the media outlets are so biased to their largest advertisers etc.

Just look at the UK since 2016 on the whole Brexit rollercoaster.

Phoebas

Every time Trump says something stupid or lies its either 'out of context', 'he was being sarcastic', 'it's the media', 'he was joking', 'he was being optimistic'.

There was a time way back when we expected a President to take responsibility for his own words.

Zubeneschamali

Phoebas wrote: »

Every time Trump says something stupid or lies its either 'out of context', 'he was being sarcastic', 'it's the media', 'he was joking', 'he was being optimistic'.

And this is the man whose fans tell us is a straight talker who tells it like it is.

hometruths

Phoebas wrote: »

What qualified the Yale educated lawyer and fund manager Hunter Biden for a board position!

Is Hunter Biden actually a lawyer - i.e he has practised law - or does he just have a law degree?

I thought Hunter Biden's first job after he obtained his degree, was at MNBA, a Delaware credit card company, and big time donor to the then Delaware senator, Joe Biden.

Is he really a fund manager? He seems to have many strings to his bow and done a variety of interesting jobs.

But in his entire career, has he ever had any job that has not raised eyebrows about trading on his father's influence?

ohnonotgmail

schmittel wrote: »

Is Hunter Biden actually a lawyer - i.e he has practised law - or does he just have a law degree?

I thought Hunter Biden's first job after he obtained his degree, was at MNBA, a Delaware credit card company, and big time donor to the then Delaware senator, Joe Biden.

Is he really a fund manager? He seems to have many strings to his bow and done a variety of interesting jobs.

But in his entire career, has he ever had any job that has not raised eyebrows about trading on his father's influence?

have trumps children ever worked for anybody that wasn't their daddy?

hometruths

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

have trumps children ever worked for anybody that wasn't their daddy?

Probably not.

But in politics, there is a difference between working for your daddy (nepotism) and working for people who want/expect your daddy to work for them (corruption).

Igotadose

schmittel wrote: »

Probably not.

But in politics, there is a difference from working for your daddy (nepotism) and working for people who want/expect your daddy to work for them (corruption).

So, what exactly are Javanka doing then?

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Obviously if the polling narrows, more States potentially come in to play.

It doesn't really matter if they narrow or not.

It's a Trump win by heavy margin either way. Most people with their ear to the ground, particularly in the swing states, can see most of these polls are absolute garbage at this point.

The real question is, why are they garbage? Is it simply dodgy methodology, or is there something more sinister at play? (That last part we may never find out tbh)

I'm not even sure who dodgy polling favours anyway? Some have suggested it's being used as positive propaganda for Biden... but just like we can see with the propaganda in the left wing media, that very often backfires when it comes to the voters. It certainly seemed to have the opposite effect in 2016.

Brian?

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

It doesn't really matter if they narrow or not.

It's a Trump win by heavy margin either way. Most people with their ear to the ground, particularly in the swing states, can see most of these polls are absolute garbage at this point.

The real question is, why are they garbage? Is it simply dodgy methodology, or is there something more sinister at play? (That last part we may never find out tbh)

I'm not even sure who dodgy polling favours anyway? Some have suggested it's being used as positive propaganda for Biden... but just like we can see with the propaganda in the left wing media, that very often backfires when it comes to the voters. It certainly seemed to have the opposite effect in 2016.

What a load of nonsense. What ground do you have your ear to exactly? R/The Donald? Some weird board on 4chan?

Igotadose

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

It doesn't really matter if they narrow or not.

It's a Trump win by heavy margin either way.

Take the challenge. Fill out the electoral map, and tell us your number and how you chose the swing states. https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/electoral-college-interactive-maps

hometruths

Igotadose wrote: »

So, what exactly are Javanka doing then?

Engaging in nepotism on massive scale. But nobody is denying it.

Quin_Dub

schmittel wrote: »

Probably not.

But in politics, there is a difference between working for your daddy (nepotism) and working for people who want/expect your daddy to work for them (corruption).

Even now??, when Daddy (in-law) is the President and he still gets you a job where you can Leverage foreign policy to strong-arm a country into giving you a loan?

stefanovich

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Even now??, when Daddy (in-law) is the President and he still gets you a job where you can Leverage foreign policy to strong-arm a country into giving you a loan?

The prevailing argument in favour of the Bidens appears to be the assertion that Trump is also corrupt rather than a defense of the Biden's behaviour.

Igotadose

schmittel wrote: »

Engaging in nepotism on massive scale. But nobody is denying it.

And... Ivanka has obtained various trademarks and patents in China since she's been in the WH. Just good business, or corruption?

https://thedailyedge.substack.com/p/ivanka-trump-has-a-trademark-on-corruption

(there are other sources than this. Just google Ivanka Trump corruption.)

And, just to be clear - Nepotism is o.k.? Just preparing for the next administration which can be filled with extended Biden family members.

extra gravy

Phoebas wrote: »

What qualified the Yale educated lawyer and fund manager Hunter Biden for a board position!

He's more qualified for that position than Trump was for the Presidency. Trumpsters again showing their hypocrisy and lack of self awareness.

hometruths

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Even now??, when Daddy (in-law) is the President and he still gets you a job where you can Leverage foreign policy to strong-arm a country into giving you a loan?

Ok, agreed, a quick scan of that tells me that Jared Kushner is guilty of trading on his father in laws influence - corruption.

So can we agree that both Presidential candidates have family members that appear to have enriched themselves thanks to the patriarchs political position?

eagle eye

ohnonotgmail wrote:

have trumps children ever worked for anybody that wasn't their daddy?

You this afternoon like a child telling their parents that the other kid pushed them first.

We all know about the Trumps. There was no mention of the Trumps in the post you quoted. It was asking a question about Hunter Biden.

Why are you trying to deflect? It's not helping anybody.

hometruths

extra gravy wrote: »

He's more qualified for that position than Trump was for the Presidency. Trumpsters again showing their hypocrisy and lack of self awareness.

Trump became president because he won a general election. You cannot get any more qualified for the position than that. Just ask Hillary.

Biden got the job at Burisma because his dad's boss won a general election.

Quin_Dub

stefanovich wrote: »

The prevailing argument in favour of the Bidens appears to be the assertion that Trump is also corrupt rather than a defense of the Biden's behaviour.

Not at all - I don't believe that the Bidens are corrupt.

Did Hunter Biden get doors opened for him because of his name?

Quite possibly , that's how the world works - The whole "It's not what you know it's who you know" angle.

Was there a quid-pro-quo carried out when those doors were opened (which would be the corruption bit)?

I have yet to see any convincing evidence to support that there was.

stefanovich

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Not at all - I don't believe that the Bidens are corrupt.

Did Hunter Biden get doors opened for him because of his name?

Quite possibly , that's how the world works - The whole "It's not what you know it's who you know" angle.

Was there a quid-pro-quo carried out when those doors were opened (which would be the corruption bit)?

I have yet to see any convincing evidence to support that there was.

The prosecutor who was investigating Burisma is fired because Biden threatened to withhold 1 billion dollars unless it happened?

Cody montana

stefanovich wrote: »

The prosecutor who was investigating Burisma is fired because Biden threatened to withhold 1 billion dollars unless it happened?

So?

ohnonotgmail

schmittel wrote: »

Probably not.

But in politics, there is a difference between working for your daddy (nepotism) and working for people who want/expect your daddy to work for them (corruption).

so explain all of the patents that Ivanka has received in china? explain the business deals that Kushner has done with trump allies.

hometruths

Igotadose wrote: »

And... Ivanka has obtained various trademarks and patents in China since she's been in the WH. Just good business, or corruption?

https://thedailyedge.substack.com/p/ivanka-trump-has-a-trademark-on-corruption

(there are other sources than this. Just google Ivanka Trump corruption.)

And, just to be clear - Nepotism is o.k.? Just preparing for the next administration which can be filled with extended Biden family members.

Corruption from Ivanka.

Nepotism is better than corruption. I could not give a stuff if a Biden administration employs family members.

timsey tiger

RCP are currently showing Trump ahead of where he was in the "top battlegrounds" back in 2016. I think this has prompted some people to think that this means that he is a good bet for 2020.



Looking at Pennsylvania, back in 2016 to see what happened. 14 days out Clinton was on 45.8% and Trump on 40.6%. With Clinton finishing on 47.5% and Trump on 48.2%. Of the vote that came back to the two major parties in the final two weeks, Trump got 82% of that.

Remember that Comey's announcement about reopening the email investigation happened within this 14 day window, so about as positive for Trump as one could expect.




Currently in Pennsylvania, 14 days out Biden is on 48.8% and Trump on 45%, with 6.2% out there. If all of this 6.2% comes back and falls as favourably to Trump as it did in 2016 (a really big if), they'd end up on Biden 49.9% and Trump on 50.1%.

Trump wins, but I wouldn't bet the house (or the spare change in the back of the couch on it).

If the 1.1% who didn't vote for any of the top four last time don't come back, then Trump looses 49.2% to Biden's 49.7%.

I'll admit that this is a bit like those football commentators bigging up the prospects of the second half or a really dull onesided match. :pac:

hometruths

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so explain all of the patents that Ivanka has received in china? explain the business deals that Kushner has done with trump allies.

Corruption - trading on her father's influence - would seem to be the most logical explanation to me.

And if it is OK for Hunter I guess it has to be OK for Ivanka?