Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

Who is the left candidate?

The one who spent 8 years working under Obama.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

The one who spent 8 years working under Obama.

yeah Joe the socialist. LOL

eagle eye

Deleted User wrote:

The one who spent 8 years working under Obama.

He's right wing.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

He's right wing.

So if Biden is right wing why is no mainstream media describing him as the right wing candidate?

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

So if Biden is right wing why is no mainstream media describing him as the right wing candidate?

because they are both right wing. It is redundant

vojiwox

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So if Biden is right wing why is no mainstream media describing him as the right wing candidate?

Mainstream media = fake news.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

because they are both right wing. It is redundant

So then it really doesn't make a difference which one of them gets in? Why all the fuss about it then?

Carfacemandog

Igotadose wrote: »

Srsly? #IMPOTUS said we're getting your husbands back to work? Tuesday's going to be a formality at this point. Might reach Reagan/Mondale era landslide for Biden.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/27/politics/trump-suburban-women-2020-election/index.html

It won't come close to reagan/Mondale or bush/dukakis to be honest - there are at least 12-15 states that would literally vote for anything with the letter R at the end over the letter D. That's literally all that matters to the majority of voters in some of these states, moreso than their own livelihoods.

coolbeans

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So if Biden is right wing why is no mainstream media describing him as the right wing candidate?

You really need to stop thinking in binary left/right terms. The complexities of human political interaction are far more interesting and nuanced than that. I know Americans who would hold very conservative views, right wing some would say, but they spit every time Trump is mentioned as he has come to be seen as America's disgrace.

Yet here, and all over social media, simply because they hold Trump in contempt and consequently will vote Biden; these same people will be derided as lefties, or liberals or SJWs or whatever simplistic nonsensical insult you're having yourself. You're being had.

Quin_Dub

Remember last week when "Honest John" Ratcliffe stood in front of the FBI Director and other Intelligence Community types and spoke about how the Iranians were interfering in the Election to damage Donald Trump" ?

Well , in news that will be surprising to very few people , that's not exactly the truth.

Ratcliffe , Wray and others approved the statement that he was to deliver , but he decided to ad-lib to help his Boss.

He added the phrase "to damage President Trump" all on his own.

The Iranians are messing about in election mis-information , but they aren't targeting Trump at all , they were in fact targeting Democratic party voters.

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe delivered strange public remarks last week, alerting the public to alleged Iranian antics, targeting Democratic voters in multiple states. The DNI, however, said Tehran's tactics were intended to "damage President Trump," which didn't seem to make any sense.

And now we know why. Politico reported late yesterday that Ratcliffe "went off script" during his remarks.

The reference to Trump was not in Ratcliffe's prepared remarks about the foreign election interference, as shown to and signed off by FBI Director Chris Wray and senior DHS official Chris Krebs, the director of the department's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency. Wray and Krebs stood behind Ratcliffe as he addressed the public, supportive of the general intention to alert voters to a malicious influence operation. But they were surprised by Ractliffe's political aside, which had not appeared in the prepared text, the officials said.

Or put another way, if the reporting is correct, the director of National Intelligence, while reading from prepared text, warning the public about a voter-intimidation scheme, decided to just ad-lib a line -- which happened to be designed to benefit the president during his re-election campaign.

So - Yet again , Ratcliffe shows his utter unsuitability for the job he got for being Trumps "Bestest Boy in Congress" and lies to help his boss.

coolbeans

coolbeans wrote: »

You really need to stop thinking in binary left/right terms. The complexities of human political interaction are far more interesting and nuanced than that. I know Americans who would hold very conservative views, right wing some would say, but they spit every time Trump is mentioned as he has come to be seen as America's disgrace.

Yet here, and all over social media, simply because they hold Trump in contempt and consequently will vote Biden; these same people will be derided as lefties, or liberals or SJWs or whatever simplistic nonsensical insult you're having yourself. You're being had.

I tend to agree with what you are saying. I think we can agree the term "far right" is equally redundant. People like Dave Rubin on Youtube or Candace Owens being described as "far right" or "white supremacist" is unbelievably silly and devalues the term.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So then it really doesn't make a difference which one of them gets in? Why all the fuss about it then?

Because Trump is an incompetent narcissist that is happy to abuse his role. He has constantly aimed to be divisive and when faced with a serious crisis, he's been a disaster. A thousand dying a day for months meanwhile he attacks the experts who he ignores the advice of.

Cody montana

Wisconsin Republican Party chairman says hackers stole $2.3 million from account dedicated to Trump reelection.

Quin_Dub

coolbeans wrote: »

You really need to stop thinking in binary left/right terms. The complexities of human political interaction are far more interesting and nuanced than that. I know Americans who would hold very conservative views, right wing some would say, but they spit every time Trump is mentioned as he has come to be seen as America's disgrace.

Yet here, and all over social media, simply because they hold Trump in contempt and consequently will vote Biden; these same people will be derided as lefties, or liberals or SJWs or whatever simplistic nonsensical insult you're having yourself. You're being had.

Indeed , there is no "left" in the US as we would understand it in Ireland or Europe.

Whilst he is to the left of what Trump claims to be , Biden is at best Centre Right in global terms.

Trump isn't "right wing" per-se - He's certainly not a conservative in the sense of what that has meant in the context of US politics.

Trump says and does whatever he thinks will do him the most good - Right now that is aping the worst extremes of far-right nativist tropes , but if Trump genuinely felt that he'd get more traction with going full "Radical Socialist" he would do so in a heart-beat.

As long as he retained his power and his money he couldn't care less.

km991148

vojiwox wrote: »

Mainstream media = fake news.

Four legs good.

MAGA!

Cody montana

Texas just surpassed 95% of its 2016 total votes cast w/ two days of early voting & Election Day left to go. We're just headed for a massive, unprecedented turnout there (and a lot of other places).

Wonder will it go blue?

Kermit.de.frog

Cody montana wrote: »

Texas just surpassed 95% of its 2016 total votes cast w/ two days of early voting & Election Day left to go. We're just headed for a massive, unprecedented turnout there (and a lot of other places).

Wonder will it go blue?

Early voting tends to be mostly dems. Republicans much more likely to leave it until the day.

So, yes, dems will be delighted in Texas.

I still expect Trump to narrowly win the state though.

However, the fact it's a battle shows he is in big trouble. Texas should be a sure thing for republicans.

The Rooster

eagle eye wrote: »

Anyways so it's not going to happen. If somebody offered me 20/1 on Trump I wouldn't take it.

Bookies won't even offer you 2/1 on Trump, so not sure why anyone would offer you 20/1!

But bookies will offer you 1/2 on Biden. You must be all over that if you think 1/20 is more representative.

Quin_Dub

Cody montana wrote: »

Texas just surpassed 95% of its 2016 total votes cast w/ two days of early voting & Election Day left to go. We're just headed for a massive, unprecedented turnout there (and a lot of other places).

Wonder will it go blue?

Depends on what you mean..

I really don't see it going for Biden , although it is WAY closer than it should be for the GOP.

However , there's a decent chance that the State level could go Blue either House or Senate - More likely in the House.

Which could absolutely have implications for the next Elections including Governor in 2022.

eagle eye

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So if Biden is right wing why is no mainstream media describing him as the right wing candidate?

They are both right wing.
Bernie Sanders is the most prominent socialist candidate in the US. He fought Biden for the nomination but didn't get it, even he's not left wing though.

Igotadose

Ermm... as a US citizen and long time US voter & politics watcher:

Trump: Right wing, pro business, anti-woman, pro-pollution. The racism and misogyny are Trump's personal characteristics, not a right- or left-wing thing.

Biden: Moderate - moderately pro-business. Moderately pro-environment. Moderately pro-woman

Both are far to the right of the moderates here in Ireland and WAY to the right of 'left wing' in Ireland.

As for the Democratic Socialists like AOC in the US, she's 'left wing' for the US, but would be a moderate here.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Because Trump is an incompetent narcissist that is happy to abuse his role. He has constantly aimed to be divisive and when faced with a serious crisis, he's been a disaster. A thousand dying a day for months meanwhile he attacks the experts who he ignores the advice of.

Incompetent narcissist is a fair critique. Calling him a white supremacist racist is ridiculous.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Cody montana wrote: »

Texas just surpassed 95% of its 2016 total votes cast w/ two days of early voting & Election Day left to go. We're just headed for a massive, unprecedented turnout there (and a lot of other places).

Wonder will it go blue?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Early voting tends to be mostly dems. Republicans much more likely to leave it until the day.

So, yes, dems will be delighted in Texas.

I still expect Trump to narrowly win the state though.

However, the fact it's a battle shows he is in big trouble. Texas should be a sure thing for republicans.

Yeah, I am amazed that there’s even a chance it will vote Democrat. Texas is normally a surefire Republican state. I think it will go Republican but it’s mad that people are even suggesting it might go Democrat.

km991148

Deleted User wrote: »

Incompetent narcissist is a fair critique. Calling him a white supremacist racist is ridiculous.

Yeah its true - I don't believe he cares enough about their beliefs to label himself as one - he only appears to support them in order to get their vote.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

So then it really doesn't make a difference which one of them gets in? Why all the fuss about it then?

either incredibly naive or something else. Not really sure which.

ohnonotgmail

km991148 wrote: »

Yeah its true - I don't believe he cares enough about their beliefs to label himself as one - he only appears to support them in order to get their vote.

trump is most definitely a racist.

km991148

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

either incredibly naive or something else. Not really sure which.

A lot of election years.. I would agree with that sentiment.. but with trump.. cmon.. look at the place - its a sh!tshow!

km991148

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

trump is most definitely a racist.

yes he is a racist, but specifically a white supremacist? - I don't think so - he just needs their support.

But who really knows..

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Incompetent narcissist is a fair critique. Calling him a white supremacist racist is ridiculous.

But he is the person of choice for white supremacists because of his rhetoric...

froog

tucker carslen sure flushed the hunter biden thing completely down the toilet. what an absolute butthead.

not that it wasn't firmly in the toilet to begin with.