Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

MeMen2_MoRi_

Facebook screwing over Biden..

"When President Donald Trump wanted to reach out to older Arizona voters in August with the message “The RADICAL Left has taken over Joe Biden and the Democratic Party,” with photos of Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Ilhan Omar, Facebook charged his campaign an estimated $14 for each 1,000 times the advertisement appeared in people’s feeds.

A few days later, Biden targeted that same demographic with a message of his own, that he had a plan to expand Medicare and cut drug prices. But Facebook charged him a very different price—an estimated $91 per 1,000 views of his ad, over six times more than Trump’s ad had cost."

https://themarkup.org/election-2020/2020/10/29/facebook-political-ad-targeting-algorithm-prices-trump-biden

eagle eye

ohnonotgmail wrote:

trump is most definitely a racist.

Actually can you back that up?

Billy Mays

eagle eye wrote: »

Actually can you back that up?

Did you miss all the other times it's been claimed and backed up?

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

trump is most definitely a racist.

Not according to a lot of black people. Candace Owens is someone who causes Democrats brains to explode because she is an articulate black woman who won't think the way they want her to.

eagle eye

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote:

Facebook screwing over Biden..

"When President Donald Trump wanted to reach out to older Arizona voters in August with the message “The RADICAL Left has taken over Joe Biden and the Democratic Party,†with photos of Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Ilhan Omar, Facebook charged his campaign an estimated $14 for each 1,000 times the advertisement appeared in people’s feeds.

A few days later, Biden targeted that same demographic with a message of his own, that he had a plan to expand Medicare and cut drug prices. But Facebook charged him a very different price—an estimated $91 per 1,000 views of his ad, over six times more than Trump’s ad had cost."

So I put myself in the position if the guy who decides how much it costs.
We do the Trump one and they pay immediately and are delighted. I think to myself, hmm that felt too easy, could we charge more? Biden comes along and I go 100 bucks per view. They say too much well give you 85 I say 95 they say 90 I go 92.50 they go 91 and I go deal.
Saying they are screwing Biden and suggesting it's them taking sides is a bit rich imo.
Facebook screw everybody and the vast majority of their users don't even realise it.
Hard to know which way Zuckerberg would go either, you'd think being a billionaire he'd be pro-Reoublican but he's interested in renewable energy and was against Trump's status on immigrants.

km991148

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not according to a lot of black people. Candace Owens is someone who causes Democrats brains to explode because she is an articulate black woman who won't think the way they want her to.

Can you do a bit of articulation yourself there and explain your point?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not according to a lot of black people. Candace Owens is someone who causes Democrats brains to explode because she is an articulate black woman who won't think the way they want her to.

So your reference point is a woman who has nurtured hate speech for years? "A lot of black people", I'd suspect most view him as a racist. We have all of Trump's statements to back that up. Plus go back a few decades and he was blocking black people from living in his apartments.....

froog

Deleted User wrote: »

Not according to a lot of black people. Candace Owens is someone who causes Democrats brains to explode because she is an articulate black woman who won't think the way they want her to.

candace owens is an absolute moron.

froog

how crucial is florida?

km991148

eagle eye wrote: »

So I put myself in the position if the guy who decides how much it costs.
We do the Trump one and they pay immediately and are delighted. I think to myself, hmm that felt too easy, could we charge more? Biden comes along and I go 100 bucks per view. They say too much well give you 85 I say 95 they say 90 I go 92.50 they go 91 and I go deal.
Saying they are screwing Biden and suggesting it's them taking sides is a bit rich imo.
Facebook screw everybody and the vast majority of their users don't even realise it.
Hard to know which way Zuckerberg would go either, you'd think being a billionaire he'd be pro-Reoublican but he's interested in renewable energy and was against Trump's status on immigrants.

Except there wasn't even a guy.. it's all algorithms..
It sold for more because it was already a popular target group. That's what happens when you don't have a free market, you can charge whatever you want.

duploelabs

froog wrote: »

how crucial is florida?

If Trump doesn't win it, he's toast

froog

duploelabs wrote: »

If Trump doesn't win it, he's toast

what about biden? does he need it?

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Not according to a lot of black people. Candace Owens is someone who causes Democrats brains to explode because she is an articulate black woman who won't think the way they want her to.

many people say ...

I judge people on their actions, not what others think of them. I am capable of forming my own opinions.

Amirani

froog wrote: »

what about biden? does he need it?

Nah, probably not if he does well in the Midwest/Rust Belt.

ohnonotgmail

froog wrote: »

what about biden? does he need it?

No. he has plenty of other paths to victory

Ardillaun

Igotadose wrote: »

Ermm... as a US citizen and long time US voter & politics watcher:

Trump: Right wing, pro business, anti-woman, pro-pollution. The racism and misogyny are Trump's personal characteristics, not a right- or left-wing thing.

By strictly Republican standards Trump wouldn’t be considered that pro-business, being hostile to free trade, and isn’t as keen to cut spending as the fiscal hawks are. Racist remarks and isolationism appeal to the nativist wing and some of the misogyny can be seen as a return to the traditional ‘values‘ of Mad Men. Admittedly, he did give the donor class a whopping great tax cut and appoint many of their minions to government but his base is blue collar. The success of such a strange candidate is symptomatic of the changes roiling America and will continue to offer a clear challenge to the assumptions of both parties for years to come no matter how the election goes.

Trump has already changed the Republican Party. Its most hawkish element—hawkish in the Iraq War sense—has gone underground, if it still exists. The same goes for publicly stated Republican skepticism about Social Security and Medicare. One must be hostile to China, and skeptical, to some degree, of free trade. Especially since the arrival of the pandemic, it’s hard to find a true libertarian in the Party—at least among those who have to run for office. In the future, according to Donald Critchlow, a historian of conservatism who teaches at Arizona State University, “the advantage would go to a candidate who is Trump without the Trump caricature. An old-fashioned Chamber of Commerce candidate would not do well. We’re in a new situation, in both parties. Everything’s up for grabs.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/11/02/the-republican-identity-crisis-after-trump

Lemann offers three scenarios after Trump for the GOP: more of the same tribal populism led by someone like Don Jr. , a return to the old pro-business party (Haley perhaps) or a continuation of the trend to a truly working class destination (e.g. Rubio).

coolbeans

Cody montana wrote: »

Texas just surpassed 95% of its 2016 total votes cast w/ two days of early voting & Election Day left to go. We're just headed for a massive, unprecedented turnout there (and a lot of other places).

Wonder will it go blue?

Big turnouts always benefit the Democrats as Republican voters tend to be older and to turn out more reliably. It's the opposite for Democrats and non-aligned who are turning out in record numbers this year to get rid of Trumplethinskin who is considered by moderates of all stripes to have shamed the country. These are just my thoughts but on turnout numbers alone I think Trump is gonna get a total hammering.

MeMen2_MoRi_

eagle eye wrote: »

So I put myself in the position if the guy who decides how much it costs.
We do the Trump one and they pay immediately and are delighted. I think to myself, hmm that felt too easy, could we charge more? Biden comes along and I go 100 bucks per view. They say too much well give you 85 I say 95 they say 90 I go 92.50 they go 91 and I go deal.
Saying they are screwing Biden and suggesting it's them taking sides is a bit rich imo.
Facebook screw everybody and the vast majority of their users don't even realise it.
Hard to know which way Zuckerberg would go either, you'd think being a billionaire he'd be pro-Reoublican but he's interested in renewable energy and was against Trump's status on immigrants.

It's pretty rich that some will try and convince you and I that social media are in cohoots with the Dems, just because it's uhmm Donnie. Donnie getting a great deal from Facebook here.

km991148

km991148 wrote: »

Can you do a bit of articulation yourself there and explain your point?

My point is that a lot of people say Trump is racist but he has enacted no more or less racist policies than any other President including Obama.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

But he is the person of choice for white supremacists because of his rhetoric...

Is it that or is it because of the alternative rhetoric of constantly banging on about how evil and racist white people are?

Quin_Dub

Deleted User wrote: »

Incompetent narcissist is a fair critique. Calling him a white supremacist racist is ridiculous.

He is not a "White Supremacist" in the exact terms of the definition , insofar as he's not about "racial purity" and all that bollocks , but he absolutely is a racist in that he does not believe that a person of colour is inherently equal. They can "prove themselves" to be as evidenced by the handful of black people he has associated with , but his years of discrimination against people of colour long before he even thought about Politics are proof of that.

Deleted User wrote: »

Not according to a lot of black people. Candace Owens is someone who causes Democrats brains to explode because she is an articulate black woman who won't think the way they want her to.

Candance Owens is a huckster , not dissimilar to Kayleigh McEnany. Neither of them have a genuine bone in their bodies.

Both were public advocates for far more moderate positions if not positively Democratic party positions up to a few years ago until they recognised that there was far more money to be made over on the Right wing and they both had almost damascene conversions to the Tea-party/Trumpism as they chased the money.

McEnany called Trump "a racist" and , "not a real Republican" , however she was told by a colleague "Donald Trump is going to be your nominee, and if a smart, young, blond Harvard graduate wanted to get on television and have a career as a political pundit, you would be wise to be an early backer." so she followed the money

Owens used to run a company called Degree180 and ran a rabidly Anti-Conservative blog , that frequently attacked Trump and mocked him. She also talked about "the bat**** crazy Tea-party" and how hopefully they'd all die soon and people could get on with the important social change that needed to happen.

Then Trump won - So she followed the money and became the rampant uber-Conservative and works for Turning Point USA.

Call Me Jimmy

Deleted User wrote: »

So your reference point is a woman who has nurtured hate speech for years?[/b]

Go on...

Are we white people calling black people uncle toms or coons again yet? Is it just her who is nurturing, mothering and protecting hate speech or all black people who support Trump?

What was the main thing she said that nurtured 'hate speech'? (Before people jump at the chance to think I'm defending her or like her I can only disappoint and say I do not)

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My point is that a lot of people say Trump is racist but he has enacted no more or less racist policies than any other President including Obama.

One of his first acts as President was banning travel from Muslim states..... Then attacks on DACA, rescinding DAPA. Then y'know all of the hateful rhetoric.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it that or is it because of the alternative rhetoric of constantly banging on about how evil and racist white people are?

no, it is definitely that.

froog

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Go on...

Are we white people calling black people uncle toms or coons again yet? Is it just her who is nurturing, mothering and protecting hate speech or all black people who support Trump?

What was the main thing she said that nurtured 'hate speech'? (Before people jump at the chance to think I'm defending her or like her I can only disappoint and say I do not)

wtf??

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

many people say ...

I judge people on their actions, not what others think of them. I am capable of forming my own opinions.

Yes but that's all they are opinions. You think he is racist. I disagree. It's subjective and there is no one judge. In 20 years, things that today are deemed acceptable by all of us could be considered racist. For example up until a week ago the term "sexual preference" was an acceptable term for the LGBT community. Overnight it became a slur apparently. This stuff is such BS.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes but that's all they are opinions. You think he is racist. I disagree. It's subjective and there is no one judge. In 20 years, things that today are deemed acceptable by all of us could be considered racist. For example up until a week ago the term "sexual preference" was an acceptable term for the LGBT community. Overnight it became a slur apparently. This stuff is such BS.

He has a history of doing racist things, of using racist words. Now if that doesn't make him a racist i dont know what does.

km991148

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes but that's all they are opinions. You think he is racist. I disagree. It's subjective and there is no one judge. In 20 years, things that today are deemed acceptable by all of us could be considered racist. For example up until a week ago the term "sexual preference" was an acceptable term for the LGBT community. Overnight it became a slur apparently. This stuff is such BS.

You need to work hard tho to suggest that Trump hasn't been just at least a tiny bit racist..

froog

Igotadose wrote: »

Ermm... as a US citizen and long time US voter & politics watcher:

Trump: Right wing, pro business, anti-woman, pro-pollution. The racism and misogyny are Trump's personal characteristics, not a right- or left-wing thing.

Biden: Moderate - moderately pro-business. Moderately pro-environment. Moderately pro-woman

Both are far to the right of the moderates here in Ireland and WAY to the right of 'left wing' in Ireland.

As for the Democratic Socialists like AOC in the US, she's 'left wing' for the US, but would be a moderate here.

the GOP would be a fringe far right lunatic party in ireland that no one would take seriously.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

He has a history of doing racist things, of using racist words. Now if that doesn't make him a racist i dont know what does.

What like "you ain't black" if you don't vote for him?

Or "poor kids are just as smart as white kids"?