Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

alchemist33

It's not all doom and gloom for Trump. He's secured the all-important endorsement of the Taliban

https://www.newsweek.com/taliban-endorses-trump-re-election-campaign-hopes-total-us-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan-1538083

Carfacemandog

Rjd2 wrote: »

Its really does suck that this is supposedly a bad thing for Trump to do and has been used to slam him.

Sadly though with Biden their will be little withdrawal, he is a hawk who has the support of some of the worst war mongers of the republican party e.g kristol, frum, lincoln project etc

Trump won't withdraw many, but on foreign affairs both of them are absolutely ****ing awful.

I hadn't heard of the Taliban endorsement so don't know the answer to this, but has Trump rejected it yet?

We know that Biden's campaign instantly and unequivocally rejected endorsements from white supremacists like Richard Spencer, while Trumps campaign has knowingly accepted white supremacist donations like that from Morris Gulett of the Aryan Nations and has typically been more) and to my knowledge did not reject the likes of Spencer's infamous "Heil Trump" speech back in 2016.

If anything, being endorsed by something you stand in opposition go is a great opportunity to publically tell those involved to f*ck off. We know Trump stands against the Taliban, so much like Biden with Spencer a few weeks ago it would stand in his interest to tell them their support is absolutely not wanted.

Igotadose

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

she is odious, and a liar.

Post your top 3 with refs.

did you watch the vice presidents debate, where the like of pence owned her.
She constantly avoided answering multiple questions thinking smiling would hoodwink people.
Then there was her acting like she was "emotional" over the dead people, which came across as false as could be.

She handily won that debate over the evasive Pence. She answered plenty of questions. Were you watching something else? Give a specific example with the exchange if you would, because you're talking sh1te.

When the likes of pence is winning that debate, you realize how bad she is.


I know all politicians are liars and deep down the vast majority dont give a flying feck, but she is by far the most transparent in her bullsh1t, and for me only there as she is black and a woman.

Ahah that didn't take too long to come out. Black and a woman. Not, experience Senator from a historically Blue state capable of delivering huge $$ and votes. Not a strong law-and-order presence because of being an ex-Prosecutor and state AG for the largest state in country. Perhaps not the most fiery speaker on the planet is all.

Still better have her as vice president that trump as the president

And, hopefully that happens soon.

Igotadose

RNC Speaker arrested for shooting another woman in the gut. The best people

https://wchstv.com/news/local/williamson-nurse-arrested-for-shooting-woman

Eric Cartman

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is actually shocking how few ideas the Trump campaign actually has for reelection. They have been in campaign mode from Day 1 yet have never come up with anything even remotely new.

Even the tagine, Keep America Great. Its just lazy and screams of actually just wanting to reuse MAGA but knowing they had to look like they were trying.

Going back to HC and her emails? Trump had four years to deal with that and achieved nothing but now he wants 4 more to do something?

Its like a greatest hits tour. Nothing new, no plans, no ideas. Just bang out the same old stuff.

Its that tough second album issue, happens them all, remember obama re ran with ‘ill close Guantanamo bay’ despite it actually taking in more prisoners during his first term.

MadYaker

It's also because you'd have to be plain nuts to want anything to do with the Trump campaign a the moment. Nevermind the sinking ship aspect of it, you'd be running the real risk of getting infected with covid by the superspreader in chief.

Timberrrrrrrr

MadYaker wrote: »

It's also because you'd have to be plain nuts to want anything to do with the Trump campaign a the moment. Nevermind the sinking ship aspect of it, you'd be running the real risk of getting infected with covid by the superspreader in chief.

Its not just #IMPOTUS they are all idiots apparently

https://twitter.com/SiegelForTexas/status/1315003051678330886?s=19

Timberrrrrrrr

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Josiensor/status/1315015264937926657

Nothing short of criminal negligence - a retirement village ffs.

Incompetent, dangerous and desperate.

Meanwhile the Biden supporters their show how to show support intelligently

https://twitter.com/jerrysaltz/status/1315033421551415297?s=19

Billy Mays

Akrasia

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I've no idea what this is. I'm referring to Cruz being such a weak, petty, venal, spineless wretch of a man that he's campaigning for a guy who insulted his wife.

And accused his father of helping to assassinate JFK

1800_Ladladlad

"They dont deserve to know"

https://twitter.com/thejcoop/status/1314929793524215808


heavily edited clip right here.

Cody montana

POLL: US Presidential Election, nationwide.

Biden: 55%
Trump: 43%

(ABC News/Washington Post)

MadYaker

Anyone know when was the last time a candidate had this much of lead in the polls and subsequently lost the election?

Ok so we've stablished it wasn't 2016. Anyone have an answer for this? I can't find the info online.

Justin Credible Darts

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I would like to hope this rumour of biden retiring after 6 months is a lie.
The thought of that witch as president would be horrible and might actually help trump.


If Biden came out and said there was a possibility he would not finish the term, i suspect he would lose the election.


if that was the scenario I would probably give up voting.

You're coming out with a lot of rage about Harris, what makes her a witch? She also tends to poll better than Pence fyi.

MadYaker

Deleted User wrote: »

You're coming out with a lot of rage about Harris, what makes her a witch? She also tends to poll better than Pence fyi.

Anyone calling Harris a witch (ridiculous and reeks of misogyny) and not using similar terms to describe Trump is a raging hypocrite.

Brian?

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

if that were true, it could turn people towards trump if they disliked Harris as much as me

What is it exactly you don’t like about Harris? You just keep repeating you don’t like her

I intensely dislike Mike Pence because he’s a fundamentalist Christian bigot, who is anti LGBT. He’s also a hypocrite because he preaches about family values and supports a serial adulterer.

What has Harris ever done to compare to that? Smiled in a weird way?

km991148

Billy Mays wrote: »

I had to check that was the real cover- at least it's finally a real cover! Wonder if he will get them ordered for the clubhouses?

duploelabs

MadYaker wrote: »

Anyone calling Harris a witch (ridiculous and reeks of misogyny) and not using similar terms to describe Trump is a raging hypocrite.

Wait, the supporters of the supposed law and order president who openly courts terrorist groups, the evangelicals who support a president who raw dogged a porn star whilst his wife was nursing his infant child, the Christians who support a president who took a drug made from aborted fetuses, the seekers of accountability who support a president who won't let any investigation into him.

They're all hypocrites???

Eric Cartman

MadYaker wrote: »

Anyone know when was the last time a candidate had this much of lead in the polls and subsequently lost the election?

I believe it was 2016

MadYaker

It was a lot closer than this 3 weeks out in 2016

timsey tiger

Carfacemandog wrote: »

We know Trump stands against the Taliban, so much like Biden with Spencer a few weeks ago it would stand in his interest to tell them their support is absolutely not wanted.

All it would do is draw light it the fact that America's enemies see that America is weaker with Trump at the helm, he is better off ignoring it.

dark crystal

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I believe it was 2016

Nope, national polling was much closer between Trump and Clinton in 2016. See here:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/national-polls/

Eric Cartman

dark crystal wrote: »

Nope, national polling was much closer between Trump and Clinton in 2016. See here:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/national-polls/

Fair, i think the interesting takeaway is that trump is actually polling very similarly to how he was in 2016 , the dems are doing better but if trumps 41% plus the shy vote is in the right places and he could still win via electoral college votes

Akrasia

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I believe it was 2016

here are the national polls from this stage of the 2016 election


CBS News 10/12 - 10/16 47 38 Clinton +9
NBC News/SM 10/10 - 10/16 46 40 Clinton +6
Boston Globe 10/11 - 10/14 46 36 Clinton +10
Rasmussen Reports 10/11 - 10/13 41 43 Trump +2
ABC News/Wash Post 10/10 - 10/13 47 43 Clinton +4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/10 - 10/13 48 37 Clinton +11
FOX News 10/10 - 10/12 45 38 Clinton +7
GWU/Battleground 10/8 - 10/13 47 39 Clinton +8

There are some big differences, especially around the numbers of undecided voters
Nowhere in 2016 had Clinton above 50%, this meant that there were always voters that could be hoovered up by last minute shenanigans

The 2020 version of undecided voters swinging the election, is the unknown entity of how successful will the GOP voter suppression tactics be at preventing democratic votes from getting counted

Biden will surely need a large margin to offset the percentage of voters who will be disenfranchised by the systemic purges and suppression tactics, and then there is the risk that the supreme court could decide the outcome if the GOP can challenge the election results for long enough

The die is very firmly weighted in favour of the GOP who do not need to have anywhere near the majority of actual votes cast in order to 'win' the election (again)

It's more of a plutocracy than a democracy at the moment

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Fair, i think the interesting takeaway is that trump is actually polling very similarly to how he was in 2016 , the dems are doing better but if trumps 41% plus the shy vote is in the right places and he could still win via electoral college votes

Not really, there's no undecideds for him to pick up this time.

Eric Cartman

Akrasia wrote: »

here are the national polls from this stage of the 2016 election


CBS News 10/12 - 10/16 47 38 Clinton +9
NBC News/SM 10/10 - 10/16 46 40 Clinton +6
Boston Globe 10/11 - 10/14 46 36 Clinton +10
Rasmussen Reports 10/11 - 10/13 41 43 Trump +2
ABC News/Wash Post 10/10 - 10/13 47 43 Clinton +4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/10 - 10/13 48 37 Clinton +11
FOX News 10/10 - 10/12 45 38 Clinton +7
GWU/Battleground 10/8 - 10/13 47 39 Clinton +8

There are some big differences, especially around the numbers of undecided voters
Nowhere in 2016 had Clinton above 50%, this meant that there were always voters that could be hoovered up by last minute shenanigans

The 2020 version of undecided voters swinging the election, is the unknown entity of how successful will the GOP voter suppression tactics be at preventing democratic votes from getting counted

Biden will surely need a large margin to offset the percentage of voters who will be disenfranchised by the systemic purges and suppression tactics, and then there is the risk that the supreme court could decide the outcome if the GOP can challenge the election results for long enough

The die is very firmly weighted in favour of the GOP who do not need to have anywhere near the majority of actual votes cast in order to 'win' the election (again)

It's more of a plutocracy than a democracy at the moment

I was reading until you talked about GOP voter supression/fraud . I think the systems in place are pretty robust to prevent against it , if you think theyre not you must agree with trumps mail in vote fraud paranoia

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I was reading until you talked about GOP voter supression/fraud . I think the systems in place are pretty robust to prevent against it , if you think theyre not you must agree with trumps mail in vote fraud paranoia

Voter suppression are well established and documented and has been ongoing for decades. Ballot fraud is not so it's more your biased coming into play

Eric Cartman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Voter suppression are well established and documented and has been ongoing for decades. Ballot fraud is not so it's more your biased coming into play

US politics is dirty, im not the poster that claimed only one side would try tricks, if one side is at something so is the other so its worth discounting it from altering figures

km991148

There is very little fraud. There are way more (order of magnitude more) accidentally spoiled votes and you see no-one getting upset about that.

It's a typical Trump tactic. Plant enough seeds to bring the whole system into question.

Throw enough mud around until everyone chokes on it.

Akrasia

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I was reading until you talked about GOP voter supression/fraud . I think the systems in place are pretty robust to prevent against it , if you think theyre not you must agree with trumps mail in vote fraud paranoia

I have voted in Irish elections for years, never have I had to wait in a queue for more than a few minutes

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/election-us-2020-54455198
Just yesterday, the Texas Court of Appeal allowed blatant voter suppression tactics by severely restricting places where voters can cast their vote
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54475466 allowing just 1 postal drop-off point per county (Counties in Texas are enormous)

hundreds of thousands of voters being removed from the electoral register only weeks before the election, targetting likely democrat voters...

Blatant attempts to sabbotage postal ballots that were ultimately shut down by the courts, but there is unlikely to be time to reverse the damage caused before the election

Trump has been poisoning the well against postal votes for months, setting the scene for lengthly court challenges in multiple states, which can delay the certification of the election results until the date when the states are constitutionally obliged to certify their election results....