Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

Leroy42

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Economy was fine until Covid struck. Did I read a poll somewhere that Americans Trust Trump on the economy more than Biden?

That is irrelevant. You posted that people shouldn't trust Biden since he can't even look after his own son.

I asked, based on your own logic, why anyone would trust Trump with the economy when he had 3 bankruptcies.

Claiming everything was fine until something went wrong hardly disproves the point. Trump has a history of doing well until something happens and he is incapable of finding a path through the crisis. Hence bankruptcy. You do understand that prior to bankruptcy the business was probably doing fine?

He has shown again that he is a fair weather leader. Great when things are going well, but totally incapable of leading through a crisis.

Hunter seems to have turned his life around, so again on your own logic, Biden has proved how he can deal with adversity and make things better.

Tombo2001

Cody montana wrote: »

They are making money off each other.
How godly.

I know atheists that are more Christian than Trump.

But so what- thats the way the world works, whats the point in getting mad about it. The reality is that most of the people who get uptight about Trump allying with religious right despite his own lack of religion....... most of these people are atheists themselves. So why get uptight about Trump not being Christian.

It doesnt make him a hypocrite- it makes him a 'deal maker'......which goes back to the point..... thats how politics works.

weisses

Graham wrote: »

Interesting to see Republican Senators are starting to distance themselves from Trump.

Sasse first I think, who is next?

They will be lined up early November... Give it two more years and the GOP will spin Trump was a Democrat

extra gravy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We don't really argue this stuff to convince you guys..

Just as well because your arguments are pathetically weak.

Cody montana

one world order wrote: »

Your missing the point. Cyrus wasn't a Jew but God used him for his people. Trump while a sinner like everyone, he is calling out the twisted agendas of those with the real power. Currently he is like a door from all the madness been pushed by the mass produced media and the Democrats.

Yeah, twisted agendas like equality and fairness for everyone.

Last time I checked, you opt to be religious and you can't force it on people.
Society is evolving.
He's stopping nothing, he's pandering to the gullible.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zhWHsfEa0U

Interesting question - How does Joe Biden get security clearance if elected President? He is the Manchurian Candidate!

completedit

It's so interesting. I don't know who I'd vote for if I was an American. It's funny; I am a globalist in outlook. I do think globalisation is a great thing but it's easy to think like that in Ireland where our whole national narrative is about how bleak and poor we were before the 80's. Ireland has done very well out of the world set in motion by Regan, Thatcher and co and the Washington Consensus. It goes back to the trope of the steel workers in the rust belt, but it is true. Globalisation on the aggregate might benefit us but in the short-term, people do suffer loss of livelihoods and a loss of meaning from their lives. Who are you going to vote for? The guy who promises more of the same, or the guy who promises change? It's funny how even Biden mentioned 'bringing jobs back' in the debate so it's interesting that the democrats also realise the reality of the situation.

Leroy42

Tombo2001 wrote: »

But so what- thats the way the world works, whats the point in getting mad about it. The reality is that most of the people who get uptight about Trump allying with religious right despite his own lack of religion....... most of these people are atheists themselves. So why get uptight about Trump not being Christian.

It doesnt make him a hypocrite- it makes him a 'deal maker'......which goes back to the point..... thats how politics works.

Its not about Trump being a hypocrite, it is the supposed religious themselves.

They claim their rights based on God and the bible, and that that should be the driver of what people can and can't do, but are happy to ignore that when it suits them.

Trump is perfectly right to take these people for the gullible people they are.

Cody montana

Tombo2001 wrote: »

But so what- thats the way the world works, whats the point in getting mad about it. The reality is that most of the people who get uptight about Trump allying with religious right despite his own lack of religion....... most of these people are atheists themselves. So why get uptight about Trump not being Christian.

It doesnt make him a hypocrite- it makes him a 'deal maker'......which goes back to the point..... thats how politics works.

Just on an earlier point after edit.

"According to an analysis published on Oct. 13 by the Pew Research Center, 51 percent of all Catholics said they would vote for or that they leaned toward voting for Mr. Biden if the election were held today, while 44 percent said the same of Mr. Trump. Broken out further, Mr. Biden leads among Hispanic Catholics 67 percent to Mr. Trump’s 26 percent. Mr. Trump has the support of 52 percent of white Catholics compared to 44 percent who chose Mr. Biden."

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/10/14/election-2020-donald-trump-joe-biden-poll-catholic-vote

Graham

weisses wrote: »

They will be lined up early November... Give it two more years and the GOP will spin Trump was a Democrat

There's more than I thought

Ben Saas - accused Trump of “flirting” with dictators and white supremacists and alienating voters so broadly that he might cause a “Republican blood bath”

Ted Cruz - warned of a “Republican blood bath of Watergate proportions.”

Lindsey Graham - predicts the president could very well lose the White House.

hometruths

Leroy42 wrote: »

That is irrelevant. You posted that people shouldn't trust Biden since he can't even look after his own son.

I asked, based on your own logic, why anyone would trust Trump with the economy when he had 3 bankruptcies.

Claiming everything was fine until something went wrong hardly disproves the point. Trump has a history of doing well until something happens and he is incapable of finding a path through the crisis. Hence bankruptcy. You do understand that prior to bankruptcy the business was probably doing fine?

He has shown again that he is a fair weather leader. Great when things are going well, but totally incapable of leading through a crisis.

Hunter seems to have turned his life around, so again on your own logic, Biden has proved how he can deal with adversity and make things better.

If they were your run of the mill father and son, with Dad standing by his kid through rehab etc I would tend to agree.

Even more so if kid has gone on to be a highly successful international businessman earning tens of millions of dollars in global regions as diverse as Ukraine and China.

Problem for Biden Sr is, even at the most sympathetic interpretation, the son's earnings have the appearance of being linked to his Dad's influence as Vice President.

Hardly run of the mill stuff.

Graham

schmittel wrote: »

Problem for Biden Sr is, even at the most sympathetic interpretation, these earnings have the appearance of being linked to his influence as Vice President.

Hunter's earnings?

hometruths

Graham wrote: »

Hunter's earnings?

Yes, I'll edit to make that clearer.

Graham

While the companies paying Hunter may have hoped/expected to purchase influence, as long as that didn't happen I don't see an issue.

That's not to say I don't think Hunter is a pillock for doing it knowing how it might look.

Phoebas

It's hard to believe that we are ruminating over the perception that Hunter Biden may have been favoured because of the position his father held six years ago, when the current White House is packed to the gills with Trump family members.

hometruths

Graham wrote: »

While the companies paying Hunter may have hoped/expected to purchase influence, as long as that didn't happen I don't see an issue.

That's not to say I don't think Hunter is a pillock for doing it knowing how it might look.

Agree, but the problem is these emails appear to suggest it did happen. i.e they had a meeting with Joe Biden.

Timberrrrrrrr

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zhWHsfEa0U

Interesting question - How does Joe Biden get security clearance if elected President? He is the Manchurian Candidate!

Security clearance was never an issue for Trump, sure didn't he order the F.B.I to give Cushner top secret clearance even though he didn't meet the criteria?

Biden obviously got clearance without any issues when he was V.P, To paint him as some sort if "Manchurian Candidate" is laughable and smacks of desperation.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/official-trump-team-overruled-25-security-clearance-denials

WASHINGTON – A career official in the White House security office says dozens of people in President Donald Trump's administration were granted security clearances despite "disqualifying issues" in their backgrounds, such as concerns about foreign influence, drug use and criminal conduct.

Tricia Newbold, an 18-year government employee who oversees the issuance of clearances for some senior White House aides, says she compiled a list of at least 25 officials who were initially denied security clearances last year because of their backgrounds. But she says senior Trump aides overturned those decisions, moves that she said weren't made "in the best interest 

Timberrrrrrrr

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Maybe Mr. Giuliani cares about his country and he's worried that a man who cant even raise his own child to be on the straight and narrow probably should not be running the country...

Wow, so now every parent of someone who has had a drug problem is a bad parent in your eyes?

Phoebas

schmittel wrote: »

Agree, but the problem is these emails appear to suggest it did happen. i.e they had a meeting with Joe Biden.

You've fallen for that?

Graham

schmittel wrote: »

Agree, but the problem is these emails appear to suggest it did happen. i.e they had a meeting with Joe Biden.

The ones from Rudy Giuliani.

Funny story

hometruths

Phoebas wrote: »

You've fallen for that?

From what I have seen/read the most likely conclusion is the emails are genuine.

Unless I have missed something?

hometruths

Graham wrote: »

The ones from Rudy Giuliani.

Funny story

Are you saying you think Rudy Giuliani, (or some other bad actor), fabricated the emails/hard drive/laptop?

Phoebas

schmittel wrote: »

Are you saying you think Rudy Giuliani, (or some other bad actor), fabricated the emails/hard drive/laptop?

The FBI are currently investigating that very thing.

But you've reached your own conclusion already that it's legit. Yes, you are missing something.

Graham

schmittel wrote: »

Are you saying you think Rudy Giuliani, (or some other bad actor), fabricated the emails/hard drive/laptop?

Caroline Giuliani (Rudy's daughter)

If being the daughter of a polarizing mayor who became the president's personal bulldog has taught me anything, it is that corruption starts with 'yes-men' and women, the cronies who create an echo chamber of lies and subservience to maintain their proximity to power," Caroline Giuliani wrote. "We've seen this ad nauseam with Trump and his cadre of high-level sycophants (the ones who weren't convicted, anyway).

U.S. Intelligence Agencies

U.S. intelligence agencies warned the White House last year that President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani was the target of an influence operation by Russian intelligence, according to four former officials familiar with the matter.

The warnings were based on multiple sources, including intercepted communications, that showed Giuliani was interacting with people tied to Russian intelligence during a December 2019 trip to Ukraine, where he was gathering information that he thought would expose corrupt acts by former vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

The intelligence raised concerns that Giuliani was being used to feed Russian misinformation to the president, the former officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information and conversations.

The warnings to the White House, which have not previously been reported, led national security adviser Robert O’Brien to caution Trump in a private conversation that any information Giuliani brought back from Ukraine should be considered contaminated by Russia, one of the former officials said.

hometruths

Phoebas wrote: »

The FBI are currently investigating that very thing.

But you've reached your own conclusion already that it's legit. Yes, you are missing something.

We've both reached our conclusions based on what we have read. This is completely normal behaviour. Neither of us can be sure whether our conclusions are right or wrong?

So if the emails are fake, then surely that would be very easy to prove? For example get the other parties included in the emails to verify that they were never written? (I would expect the NY Post to have done this in reverse as part of their verification)

Proving them to be false would put the final nail in Trump's coffin. Why are they not going hell for leather to prove they are fake?

randd1

Cody montana wrote: »

You seriously think Trump is a religious man?
When was the last time he attended church or even acted Christian?
What about the multiple affairs(one with a pornstar), the cheating, the greed, the gluttony, the lying?

He's using religion to appeal to his base, nothing more.

Devout religious people are already in a state of cult like following, all Trump did is replace Jesus with himself as the object of obsession.

Clever move really, if there’s a massive amount of willful idiots available, why not use them?

hometruths

Graham wrote: »

Caroline Giuliani (Rudy's daughter)



U.S. Intelligence Agencies

I agree with everything Caroline Giuliani says.

There is so much disinformation from Russia and disinformation about Russia, it is like one giant smoke screen. All we know for sure is Russian intelligence agencies have spies whose job it is to mess about in the US. Which is hardly ground breaking stuff.

Nothing in this post tells me that the emails are fake. Just that you think they are fake, which is not quite the same thing.

Kidchameleon

schmittel wrote: »

...For example get the other parties included in the emails to verify that they were never written? (I would expect the NY Post to have done this in reverse as part of their verification)

Fox news have spoken to one of the people in the email chain, who confirmed they are genuine...

Source on alleged Hunter Biden email chain verifies message about Chinese investment firm

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies

Phoebas

schmittel wrote: »

We've both reached our conclusions based on what we have read. This is completely normal behaviour. Neither of us can be sure whether our conclusions are right or wrong?

So if the emails are fake, then surely that would be very easy to prove? For example get the other parties included in the emails to verify that they were never written? (I would expect the NY Post to have done this in reverse as part of their verification)

Proving them to be false would put the final nail in Trump's coffin. Why are they not going hell for leather to prove they are fake?

What emails?

Rudy hasn't produced emails. He has produced some images of what he says are emails, but he refuses to hand over copies of the originals to the media so they can be forensicly examined. Similarly, we don't know if the NY Post have images or originals, but they too havent provided a forensic analysis or made them available for analysis.

I haven't reached any conclusions, because there hasn't been anything substantial produced to enable a conclusion.

Phoebas

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Fox news have spoken to one of the people in the email chain, who confirmed they are genuine...

The person on the email chain that verified them as genuine - what's his name?