Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

MoonUnit75

Looks like the disinformation about 'Russian disinformation' is being completely exposed. The owner of the repair shop contacted the congresional committee directly on September 24th to say both he and the FBI had Hunter Biden's laptop data. The committee have written to the FBI to explain why they didn't inform them of the existence of the laptop data. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/18/hunter-biden-left-laptop-at-repair-shop-owner-tell/
As noted in the article it would be a federal offence for someone to mislead the congressional committee on something like this.

Overheal

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Looks like the disinformation about 'Russian disinformation' is being completely exposed. The owner of the repair shop contacted the congresional committee directly on September 24th to say both he and the FBI had Hunter Biden's laptop data. The senate committee have written to the FBI to explain why they didn't inform them of the existence of the laptop data. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/18/hunter-biden-left-laptop-at-repair-shop-owner-tell/
As noted in the article it would be a federal offence for someone to mislead the congressional committee on something like this.

That's a really vapid report. "Legally blind mind who can't say for sure if it was Hunter said the same thing to Congress." Leaves a motorway-sized loophole if you were of the thinking that somehow his story is unimpeachable because of the perjury risk here. There would be no perjury case against someone who, legally blind, testify that they believe they saw Hunter Biden. Congress is, unfortunately, not a magically enchanted wizarding destination where lies do not still fly under oath.

Kermit.de.frog

Trump's coronavirus advisor has had a tweet removed by Twitter

Masks work? NO.

This is the type of mind that is now one of the very few willing to destroy themselves working under this administration.

Nobody credible would work for them if Trump somehow won. John Kelly tried his best and failed. He was the last one. All that's left is fringe crackpots.

MoonUnit75

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Looks like the disinformation about 'Russian disinformation' is being completely exposed. The owner of the repair shop contacted the congresional committee directly on September 24th to say both he and the FBI had Hunter Biden's laptop data. The committee have written to the FBI to explain why they didn't inform them of the existence of the laptop data. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/18/hunter-biden-left-laptop-at-repair-shop-owner-tell/
As noted in the article it would be a federal offence for someone to mislead the congressional committee on something like this.

Tbh, that adds more holes to the story. He now knew it was Hunter Biden. So this doesn't exactly expose anything.

MoonUnit75

Overheal wrote: »

That's a really vapid report. "Legally blind mind who can't say for sure if it was Hunter said the same thing to Congress." Leaves a motorway-sized loophole if you were of the thinking that somehow his story is unimpeachable because of the perjury risk here. There would be no perjury case against someone who, legally blind, testify that they believe they saw Hunter Biden. Congress is, unfortunately, not a magically enchanted wizarding destination where lies do not still fly under oath.

He says he has Hunter's signature on the contract, the one that says the shop owner gets ownership of the laptop and data if it's not collected or paid for. He would be doing serious, serious jail time if he is part of a hoax. The article also points out no one in the Biden camp or on the email chains relating to shady business deals in Ukraine and China have questioned their authenticity. Time to face the facts and face the music.

bocaman

The Republican Party aren't interested in democracy. Their only concern is smashing the Democrats and obtaining power. Trump is the vehicle they'll use to carry out their bidding. Another conservative judge in the Supreme Court skewers social thinking for a generation. They'll support Trump come hell or high water and regardless of what revelations come to the surface. It's almost cult like. From a conservative point of view its all to play for. Post election America will be horrendous.

Overheal

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

He says he has Hunter's signature on the contract, the one that says the shop owner gets ownership of the laptop and data if it's not collected or paid for. He would be doing serious, serious jail time if he is part of a hoax. The article also points out no one in the Biden camp or on the email chains relating to shady business deals in Ukraine and China have questioned their authenticity. Time to face the facts and face the music.

And how do you think you'd prosecute him? Because a legally blind man says he has Hunter Biden's signature on some document? Like walk me through that prosecutorial strategy because it sounds absurd.

hometruths

bocaman wrote: »

The Republican Party aren't interested in democracy. Their only concern is smashing the Democrats and obtaining power. Trump is the vehicle they'll use to carry out their bidding. Another conservative judge in the Supreme Court skewers social thinking for a generation. They'll support Trump come hell or high water and regardless of what revelations come to the surface. It's almost cult like. From a conservative point of view its all to play for. Post election America will be horrendous.

There are a ton of Republicans, including elected Republican politicians who cannot stand Trump. I get QAnon and Trump rallies etc are almost cult like but to say the party is a Trump cult is just nonsense.

hometruths

Overheal wrote: »

And how do you think you'd prosecute him? Because a legally blind man says he has Hunter Biden's signature on some document? Like walk me through that prosecutorial strategy because it sounds absurd.

For sure the story of how this laptop surfaced is very dodgy, but that does not mean the material is not genuine.

MadYaker

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

He says he has Hunter's signature on the contract, the one that says the shop owner gets ownership of the laptop and data if it's not collected or paid for. He would be doing serious, serious jail time if he is part of a hoax. The article also points out no one in the Biden camp or on the email chains relating to shady business deals in Ukraine and China have questioned their authenticity. Time to face the facts and face the music.

You reckon the qanon supporter that apparently runs this shop is credible? He says and you believe.

Lack of denial isn't proof of veracity. Bidens legal council will be telling him not to engage and give more legs to this nonsense.

You desire to believe all this is true is overriding your ability to think critically.

Graham

schmittel wrote: »

For sure the story of how this laptop surfaced is very dodgy, but that does not mean the material is not genuine.

FBI have had it since last December haven't they? You'd have thought they'd have moved if it were credible.

MoonUnit75

bocaman wrote: »

The Republican Party aren't interested in democracy. Their only concern is smashing the Democrats and obtaining power. Trump is the vehicle they'll use to carry out their bidding. Another conservative judge in the Supreme Court skewers social thinking for a generation. They'll support Trump come hell or high water and regardless of what revelations come to the surface. It's almost cult like. From a conservative point of view its all to play for. Post election America will be horrendous.

I highly doubt the Republican party want Trump, he's too impulsive, unpredictable and not the brightest and I personally don't think he has a true conservative ideology. They will put up with him for power, but he was selected through the proper channels. It's a disaster for politics for a showman and sleazeball to be in power but I really think people stood back in 2016 and thought Trump is the first politician they have heard for years that actually speaks his mind. He's not afraid to stand up to the radical nutjobs taking control of the Democratic party.

MoonUnit75

Graham wrote: »

FBI have had it since last December haven't they? You'd have thought they'd have moved if it were credible.

If they had authority to search the contents when Hunter wasn't accused or being investigated for any crimes. They may have given it straight back to him, who knows. We'll find out soon enough I suspect. Even if it doesn't influence the election result, Biden is starting his presidency with a massive trainwreck coming down the tracks.

MoonUnit75

Overheal wrote: »

And how do you think you'd prosecute him? Because a legally blind man says he has Hunter Biden's signature on some document? Like walk me through that prosecutorial strategy because it sounds absurd.

As far as I know 'legally blind' is about vision into the distance, you can be legally blind and still be able to see people 5 or 6ft in front of you clearly. You wouldn't be able to drive though.

MoonUnit75

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

If they had authority to search the contents when Hunter wasn't accused or being investigated for any crimes. They may have given it straight back to him, who knows. We'll find out soon enough I suspect. Even if it doesn't influence the election result, Biden is starting his presidency with a massive trainwreck coming down the tracks.

You're suspecting a lot. But so far we haven't seen any validation of the emails. :pac:

Graham

MSNBC have some useful tips for anyone following the Hunter email story.

Here's a pro tip: If a headline involves the words "Joe Biden" and "Ukraine," search the story for "Giuliani." Because it's clear that even after he inadvertently helped get his client the president impeached by peddling lukewarm misinformation, the former mayor of New York City still hasn't learned his lesson. But thankfully, a lot of people have caught on by now.

article ends with

To recap, the initial push to have Ukraine's president announce investigations into the Bidens to stall Joe's campaign for president failed spectacularly, even with the president's eventual acquittal in the Senate. Giuliani's attempt to keep things going by rehashing the affair on the hard-right One America News Network failed to gain traction. Homeland Security Committee Chair Ron Johnson's Senate report failed to find any evidence of wrongdoing, even though he clearly framed the investigation as helpful to the president.

And now we have Wednesday's Post article

MSNBC: Why Trump's desperate 'Bidengate' Hail Marys keep backfiring

Overheal

Graham wrote: »

FBI have had it since last December haven't they? You'd have thought they'd have moved if it were credible.

If they've had it since last December then 2 things are interesting,

In January the final(?) Hillary email investigation wrapped up, without a peep or fuss, a nothingburger.

Last week, the 'unmasking' probe that was marketed to voters as a "Conspiracy" "Treason" etc. - wrapped up without even a summary report made. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-unmasking-review-no-charges/2020/10/13/0f63fd2e-0d67-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html

And we're led to believe that there was anything in this hard drive that was both authentic and evidence of corruption if they've done nothing with it?

Overheal

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

As far as I know 'legally blind' is about vision into the distance, you can be legally blind and still be able to see people 5 or 6ft in front of you clearly. You wouldn't be able to drive though.

Doesn't answer my question.

Graham

Overheal wrote: »

And we're led to believe that there was anything in this hard drive that was both authentic and evidence of corruption if they've done nothing with it?

I don't really think there's much believing going on outside of Camp Trump.

Overheal

schmittel wrote: »

There are a ton of Republicans, including elected Republican politicians who cannot stand Trump. I get QAnon and Trump rallies etc are almost cult like but to say the party is a Trump cult is just nonsense.

Unfortunately, no. The party is literally the Trump cult. They affirmed that at the Republican National Convention.

https://fortune.com/2020/08/25/gop-convention-rnc-platform-republican-party-2020-donald-trump/

American presidential politics took a significant turn from historical norms last weekend when the Republican National Committee declined to present a party platform, veering instead toward current norms in Russia and China.

Every four years—since 1840 for the Democrats, 1856 for the Republicans—each of the two major parties has issued a platform setting out its positions on the issues of the day. These documents have grown substantially; this year’s Democratic platform is the longest ever, at 42,092 words, barely eclipsing the Republicans’ 2004 platform (41,156), according to the American Presidency Project at the University of California at Santa Barbara.

But this year, the day before the Republican convention began, the RNC issued a one-page resolution saying it will not adopt a platform until 2024. The resolution includes a single phrase relating to policy: "RESOLVED, That the Republican party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda."

As a guide to what, specifically, that agenda might include, the RNC appended a copy of its 2016 platform. But of course that document says nothing about COVID-19, a 10.2% unemployment rate, a multi-trillion-dollar federal deficit, continuing protests over police behavior and racial inequities, current relations with China, or a raft of other major issues that have emerged over four years. The party’s stated position on those is simply “the President’s America-first agenda” as he might express it. The president’s tweets and speeches are this year’s Republican party platform.

That position—embodying a party in a person rather than in policies—is unique in U.S. presidential politics but is not unique globally. Among the major powers it shows strong parallels with current practices in Russia and China.

Vladimir Putin’s United Russia Party followed such a path in 2007, when it began referring to its party manifesto as the “Putin Plan.” As Elizabeth Wood, professor of Russian and Soviet history at MIT, has written, the party referred to it “as if such a plan really existed and as if it contained genuine content.” In reality, she says, it was whatever Putin said it was, and this remained murky. As published, it consisted only of “quotes and slogans from the president’s addresses to the federal assembly. ‘The greatness of Russia’ hardly constitutes a ‘plan.’”

In China, the National People’s Congress (NPC) in 2018 amended the Chinese constitution to enshrine “Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era” as guiding doctrine for the nation. Again, exactly what “Xi Jinping Thought” consists of is open to interpretation. The NPC Observer, a website produced by lawyers and researchers in the U.S. and Hong Kong, says Xi’s ideology as referred to in the constitution “is a collection of concepts and principles that he articulated during his first term.” Because he’s still president, he can presumably revise Xi Jinping Thought at any time. As General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, his views are official party positions as well as national policy.

The idea that a party represents a person rather than policy positions is playing out this week at the Republican National Convention. For many years the U.S. tradition has been for the nominee to appear only on the convention’s closing night, after party leaders have given speeches and conducted formalities. The first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln, didn’t even appear at the convention that nominated him in 1860, says Lincoln biographer David Herbert Donald, and didn’t accept the nomination until four days later, after he had studied the party platform adopted at the convention. But President Trump is speaking at all four nights of this convention, and half the featured speakers are family members; there is no platform to study.

While the RNC resolution says the party will not adopt a platform “until” the 2024 convention, it doesn’t promise it will adopt one. Whether the Republican party continues as America’s first platform-free major party remains to be seen.

MoonUnit75

Overheal wrote: »

Doesn't answer my question.

Your question doesn't make sense. A man claims to have Hunter Biden's laptop, personal emails, compromising photographs and sexually explicit videos, his signature on one of his documents and identified him to a congressional committee. You have trouble understanding how he could be prosecuted for this? I don't follow your diversionary irrationality.

Overheal

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Your question doesn't make sense. A man claims to have Hunter Biden's laptop, personal emails, compromising photographs and sexually explicit videos, his signature on one of his documents and identified him to a congressional committee. You have trouble understanding how he could be prosecuted for this? I don't follow your diversionary irrationality.

Because as his lawyer all I have to say in his defense is he's legally blind and not a signatures expert. Good luck convicting him at trial, see you there, etc.

MoonUnit75

Overheal wrote: »

Because as his lawyer all I have to say in his defense is he's legally blind and not a signatures expert. Good luck convicting him at trial, see you there, etc.

As before, legally blind does not mean they can't identify someone or be held responsible for falsely identifying someone, or be responsible for forged, data, signatures and the emails he says he has from Hunter Biden's lawyer attempting to get the data back. If the FBI suspected him of being in possession of Russian disinformation he would have been under investigation since last December.

ohnonotgmail

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

As before, legally blind does not mean they can't identify someone or be held responsible for falsely identifying someone, or be responsible for forged, data, signatures and the emails he says he has from Hunter Biden's lawyer attempting to get the data back. If the FBI suspected him of being in possession of Russian disinformation he would have been under investigation since last December.

he had no idea it was hunter biden initially and now he claims to have his signature. odd.

MoonUnit75

Deleted User wrote: »

You're suspecting a lot. But so far we haven't seen any validation of the emails. :pac:

More importantly, we have still, still not heard any denials or claims of forged data and personal emails or hacking by Hunter Biden or Joe Biden. They pretty much confirmed the emails are legitimate when they clarified that the meeting mentioned wasn't in the official calendars.

Look, I remember the shady disinformation, smears etc. from previous elections ('Swift Boat Veterans for Truth' anyone?) and the response to deny or show the falsity of the accusations are far more swift than this.

MoonUnit75

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he had no idea it was hunter biden initially and now he claims to have his signature. odd.

It looks like he was doorstepped by the media after they figured out there was only three or four places it could have been. I don't blame him for being cagey and non-committal with them after realising his name will be on headlines across the country, and not in a private letter sent earlier to a congressional committee.

Igotadose

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

More importantly, we have still, still not heard any denials or claims of forged data and personal emails or hacking by Hunter Biden or Joe Biden. They pretty much confirmed the emails are legitimate when they clarified that the meeting mentioned wasn't in the official calendars.

Look, I remember the shady disinformation, smears etc. from previous elections ('Swift Boat Veterans for Truth' anyone?) and the response to deny or show the falsity of the accusations are far more swift than this.

They've learned since then. So, let's let the FBI prove this stuff is even basically legitimate (we still don't know even that), before wasting airspace on denials.

Rudy et al *want* the denials to start flying. I'm sure the #IMPOTUS will blather about this at the next debate. But, until confirmed, (like give the e-mails to another newspaper to verify ffs), I expect nothing from Biden beyond what's happened.

MoonUnit75

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

More importantly, we have still, still not heard any denials or claims of forged data and personal emails or hacking by Hunter Biden or Joe Biden. They pretty much confirmed the emails are legitimate when they clarified that the meeting mentioned wasn't in the official calendars.

Look, I remember the shady disinformation, smears etc. from previous elections ('Swift Boat Veterans for Truth' anyone?) and the response to deny or show the falsity of the accusations are far more swift than this.

They haven't confirmed anything and they've outright said one detail, the meeting, is false. :pac: So they're simply not playing Rudy's game. Rudy can release the offending emails if he wants but clearly he doesn't want them validated.

extra gravy

The longer the Biden camp stays silent, the more it will annoy Trump and crackpot Rudy. They're failing in their desperate attempts to provoke a reaction and it's hilarious.

Graham

extra gravy wrote: »

The longer the Biden camp stays silent, the more it will annoy Trump and crackpot Rudy. They're failing in their desperate attempts to provoke a reaction and it's hilarious.

Precisely.

The last 100 posts or so in this thread demonstrate quite clearly why the Biden camp refuse to comment.